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  1. instead you can deal with Alberta because of your love for trudeau and his policies.
  2. lets see campell, clark, turner VS trudeau, chretien, malroney, martin... I see lots of PMs in that list that didn't come from quebec had hung onto power for a long time. the liberal party knows if they get a leader from quebec and throw some money at the maritimes they can have long governments. the only exception is turner but he spent alot of years on ontario; while not leader as long as a quebec leader still longer then a western based leader...does this mean layton has got a better shot then harpper.... i suppose martin will rate in the middle time line range like turner as someone who is not a pure quebecer... but after the last election anything is possible with ontario voters.
  3. You mean it was Clark's fault. He let Trudeau back in office to rack up the debt more then his usual spending; got his constitution so we can celebrate gay marriages, and hit Alberta the NEP to help pay for his spending habits. And those that think the NEP was just a myth didn't see the layoffs; people loosing their businesses and homes. The real estate market fell apart people walked away from their investments... but little things like that don't matter in vote rich Ontario. It is ok for 2000 Alberta engineers to be laid off but there would be outrage if 8000 engineers in Ontario lost their jobs because an act of parliament. It took years to recover; the east coast recovered first. Economist says Alberta would have gone through a mild recession if it weren’t for the NEP. Because PET was stubborn and liked to spend money he was prepared to buy oil from the Arabs at 37/barrel while 16/barrel remained in the ground due to the socialist's NEP.
  4. spoken like a ture socialist. you mean the high point was PET's NEP... any vote buying to keep the east happy at the expense of Alberta by a massive discrimination policy. Yea PET was 50 years ahead of his time... in another 50 years there would be no conventional oil for PET to use as an excuse to trash the alberta economy for "the good of the country".. I mean Ontario. then maybe Quebec Hydro "energy" would fall under the definition of "NEP" ... except quebec would get money for having energy not money taken because they have energy. PET was in the wrong party.. instead of hidding behind a liberal party masquerade he just should of run for the head of the NEP I mean NDP.
  5. Oh really how exactly? You must be liberal. Liberals consistently like to smear people they disagree with by calling them "Hitler" or refering to them as "Nazi's". i guess that is just more of that liberal selective thinking. I can demonize the right but don't criticize emperor Trudeau the God
  6. maplesyrup you still didn't answer with facts about the NEP. to try and say finger salute was misinterpreted does not address the bad economics of the NEP
  7. Don't let Alberta's bellyaching mislead you. The NEP was one of the best programs Canada ever had. maplesyrup is a big trudeau fan if he thinks the NEP was just a little problem. alberta went to NY to get investment to get the oil indusrty started as baystreet did not want to invest in the oil patch. the oil industry came under US because some canadian oil companies were sold to the US as they were not profitable if they didn't run at full capacity because ottawa didn't want to build a pipeline to the east... they could get cheaper oil from the arabs at the time. then when oil went up trudeau was prepared to buy it at 37/barrel from the arabs while 16/barrel oil remained in the ground as a result of the NEP. economist say alberta would of gone through a mild recession instead it recovered a few years after the maritimes. the NEP was discrimination on a mass scale The damage done to Alberta's economy was debilitating and pervasive. Its effects weren't immediate but by 1983 thousands of businesses had gone broke or just given up. The real estate market collapsed forcing thousands of people to just walk away from their investment. There were 2000 engineers that lost their jobs in 1983 and I was one of them. Just imagine the furore in Ontario if an act of parliament cost 8000 engineers their jobs. The effect lasted long past the end of the NEP. I considered myself lucky that I also had a business education to fall back on. I signed on to help a very good friend save his business which employed 25 people. We had to impose 30% wage cuts and drop all benefits just to stay alive. And before any of you commies think we just put it on the backs of the workers, my friend and I collected salaries of $15,000 per year and worked about 80 hours a week for the next 3 years. The economy was finally strong enough by 1986 that the business started growing again and I moved on. Am I bitter? Yup. that old message from ontario just vote liberal; they will listen to what you have to say ; problem solved... that argument just dosen't wash; any party that dosen't listen to ontario is out the door the next election the liberals have proven they do not care what the west thinks. it is simple mathematics do you cater to 100 ontario seats by offending 25 alberta seats. when push comes to shove ontario/quebec will always win; it is not a matter of who is in the right as shown by the cf18 contract that should of gone to winnipeg with the lower bid.
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