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The things that were lost were priceless and it had some of the most valuable artifacts in the world. Congratulations, you've identified an excellent motive for the looting of those museums. That's not a logical conclusion, however. What reason do you have to think that guarding museums was a priority at a time when looting, rioting, and insurgency were out of control and when restoring the essentials-- water, electricity, sewage-- was also a much more important task than guarding museums? But, to play along... ...ok, to what purpose?You DO think there's something suspicious about this, so let's hear it. -k

Of all the comments in this thread, I like this one the most. I personally agree that the ads depict what we hope and expect that our Armed Forces should be about. And I agree with the sentiment that our politicians have a great trust placed upon them in choosing when and how to put Canadian military personnel at risk. If our armed forces become involved in something wasteful or unjust, it is not the fault of the military personnel themselves, and it is not the fault of the institution of the armed forces. It is the fault of the politicians who chose to engage in that mission. I think that most Canadians from across the political spectrum agree that it's important for Canada to have the ability to perform certain kinds of missions. Canadians might disagree with each other as to what kinds of missions our armed forces should actually engage in or which circumstances merit Canadian involvement, but I think the general premise, that sometimes Canada should be involved in some capacity, is widely agreed upon. And I think the types of duties demonstrated in the ad are the kinds of duties that many Canadians do support our armed forces performing. I also agree that it is good that the ads do in fact show the soldiers in tense and dangerous situations. I would think that someone watching the ads would recognize "gee, that looks like it could be scary and dangerous." It is quite a contrast with other military recruitment ads that aim to leave the viewer thinking "cool! I could drive a tank!" or "cool! I could get a college degree for free!" while completely omitting any mention of combat duty or hazardous situations. This most recent campaign does portray that aspect of military service, rather than showing soldiers morphing into medieval knights via computer graphics or similar nonsense. This thread is a pleasant surprise, in that it largely stayed away from the sort of "ARMY = BAD" drivel that these sorts of things often degenerate into. Well, aside from the usual suspects, at least... Pathetic, really. -k

hold it, wait a minute. Why is Ann Coulter's personal life out of bounds? When she's going on TV blasting sexual liberalism and the demise of family values, isn't the fact that she's a high-profile slut kind of relevant? Sexist rants? Is there a more sexist, misogynist media figure in the United States than Coulter herself? How many times has she said that women are too stupid to be allowed to vote? She continually shovels crap on feminists and feminism while blithely ignoring the fact that if it weren't for feminists and feminism, the best a 45 year old unmarried woman with a reputation for sleeping around would have to look forward to is a social security pension after another 20 years of making beds at the local Super-8 motel. -k

Well, once you do actually read the article, it becomes clear that the defense contractors are opposing the legislation because they're concerned about their use of foreign laborers. They are worried about losing contracts or getting sued if they're caught exploiting foreign laborers. The Bosnian sex slaves thing provided the initial outrage that prompted this legislation in the first place, but industry resistance to the proposal relates to their worries over exploited laborers (which happens a lot), not sex-slaves. From the article: The defense contractors want to continue a "pass the buck" level of responsibility so that they can turn a blind eye to human rights abuses. They want to be able to continue to say "hey, we didn't know that the group we hired to recruit laborers was using deceit to get these laborers. It's not our fault." Under stronger legislation, Halliburton might be legally responsible and have to pay a lot of money or lose contracts if they got caught exploiting workers. In short, they're protecting their asses, not fighting to keep sex-slave rings going. A while ago we caught him misrepresenting the Angus Reid poll by omitting a key phrase in the poll question. We've seen his shock-video using out-of-context clips of Lou Dobbs intercut with scary music and explosions and nutjobs talking about police-states. And here in regard to the Chicago Tribune article, he creates the impression that the defense contractors are fighting restrictions on child prostitution, when in fact they're fighting to avoid responsibility for abusive labor practices. In his interview with John DeCamp, he brags about doing this in his interview with John DeCamp: He's brazen enough to actually boast about creating false impressions while leaving himself enough weasel-room that it's not his fault if people don't read the fine print and come away with the wrong idea. This is journalism? -k

It may have been fake. The guy that did the posting may have thought it was real based on a link that you did not see. ..or he might have just assumed it was real because he read it on some other fruitcake's website. I've researched it adequately to call it a piece of fiction, and despite your claims of how easy it is to find proof that it's true, you can't actually produce any. I'm calling it a fabrication that you and your freedom-fighters keep repeating because they read it somewhere else and thought it was real. But, as I said, people repeating the same fiction over and over doesn't make it fact. It just creates what is known as an urban legend. And I'm sure that the same can be said for a lot of the other "information" that you people pass around amongst each other. As is typical of you, you can't actually argue with what I wrote, so you find yourself casting disdain on my educational background. Yep, I just have a highschool diploma. Also, I'm blonde, so you can be sure that I'm not very bright. It ought to be really easy for an engineering whiz like yourself to disprove everything I say. So what are you waiting for? Y'know, I should have claimed to have a masters degree in dystopian deconstructionism from the same college that Hawkins and Watson graduated from. I mean, if those idiots have university degrees, then obviously it can't be hard to get one. You claim you have proof because it's in his "authorized biography." First off, please provide the ISBN for that book so that we can all be sure that we're talking about the same book. Secondly, you said your proof is in your copy of the book, but the quote you provided was from a speech to the Trilateral Commission. Just to clarify, are you saying that the Trilateral Commission speech was repeated in the authorized biography? -k

I did not see any mainstream links saying anything about lobbyists attempting to block prosecution of sex-crimes cases. (the only link making such a claim in the Infowars article you posted doesn't lead to any mainstream media. It leads to the "Prison Planet" sex crimes page, which likewise doesn't contain any articles about lobbyists or coverups. Just an index of pedophile trials that caught Jones's eye.) They refer to mainstream media regarding Matt Sanchez and Jeff Gannon. They refer to mainstream media regarding the initial news story regarding the prostitution ring charges that were later determined to be a hoax. But there's no mainstream media in the article to support the claim that prosecutors are being pressured to stop prosecuting these cases. This seems to be a common tactic from your heroes. They include a few links from mainstream media in their article to provide an appearance of legitimacy, then wildly exaggerate what the mainstream media articles actually say. I'm simply pointing out that this article you posted, like all the other junk-journalism you post here, falls far short of proving what you think it proves. -k

I did. I typed in various permutations of "Planetary Initiative", "David Spangler", and "United Nations". I discovered ZERO evidence that there's a "UN Planetary Initiative" with a "David Spangler" at the helm. I saw ZERO credible evidence to support the claim you're making. I have investigated this enough to be satisfied that this "David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations" is a complete fabrication. Now the ball is in your court. You can either provide proof that it's not a fabrication, or concede that you can't. I picked this one in particular because it had an especially fake smell to it. Any objection? You're always challenging people to read your shitty sources and listen to your shitty podcasts and watch your shitty videos. OK, so I've spent a few minutes investigating your quote from "David Spangler", and determined that it's a fake. What's the problem? I'm just examining your information, like you keep asking people to. -k

I did google for both "David Spangler" and "Planetary Initiative". The only David Spangler I found is not a Luciferian UN official but rather a new age hippy spiritualist with no apparent connections to the UN at all. While some troglodytes see "new age" spirituality and Devil Worship as one and the same, I find it a dubious proposition at best, and again, nothing at all to suggest that this David Spangler works for the UN in any capacity. I think the David Spangler whom you are quoting is actually fiction propagated by yourself and your dumb little conspiracy buddies. If you can prove otherwise, go right ahead. I found many references to "Planetary Initiatives", but none involving the UN, and none involving David Spangler. The only references to "Planetary Initiative" involving the UN or David Spangler were conspiracy-nut websites who were repeating the same quote that you posted here. I don't accept that as evidence. I consider that a bunch of crazy people repeating the same fiction over and over. It's still fiction regardless of how many times it gets repeated. I don't think he or the "UN Planetary Initiative" actually exists. I think it's a fabrication invented by a paranoid psychopath, and repeated over and over by conspiracy kooks. Go ahead, prove me wrong. Prove there's a "David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations." Come on, do it. I dare you. I double dare you. -k

Who deterimned it to be a hoax Anne Coulter ? A grand jury. Proof? Evidence? -k

No, I don't. I just posted it to see what people thought and how people like yourself would justify it or explain it away. Combine poor and desperate people with the wartime chaos and lack of law enforcement, and you have a prime opportunity for theft and looting. Does it need to be any more complicated than that? -k

What's YOUR explanation? You've got your own theory, right? Come on, out with it! I think we're all far more interested in hearing what it tells YOU. -k

"Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations"? Can you elaborate? I can't find one an iota of evidence that such a person or such a position even exists. As far as I can determine, this person, this position, and this quotation are a fabrication. Can you find one piece of evidence that there's any such thing as "Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations"? -k

I guess the same thing can be said about the Washington Post by extention. You probably would guess that. That's because you're demented and have a very poor grasp of the concept of "logic". The fact that the Washington Post reported on the "child prostitute ring" means that it was an actual news story at the time. But it doesn't add any believability to any of the wild conclusions that Jones and his cronies have drawn from it. Particularly in light of the fact that the "child prostitute ring" was later determined to be a hoax. One more time, since I realize you have trouble following along: I'm not doubting the mainstream articles your friends have cited. But it takes a special brand of idiot to look at a gay Whitehouse reporter, a gay military recruiter, Halliburton employees pimping teenagers, and a hoax, and conclude that it's all part of one big fat conspiracy. -k

Ironic words, coming from a self-styled expert in structural engineering, macroeconomics, demolitions, and forensic accounting. No you do not. You do not have a clue. Oh, that's right. I forgot that a "member of the Conservative party" personally informed you about all the secret depopulation details many years ago. I am sure that everybody finds that story just as believable as I do. To think that the "North American Union" is some conspiracy theory is to be an idiot. You may as well call yourself the tooth fairy and say the moon is made of cheese. To think that the goals of the SPP extend beyond the stated objectives of the SPP to erase national boarders and amalgamate sovereign democratic governments into a pan-continental concentration camp is to be a kook. You may as well call yourself David Icke and say that Boxcar Willie is a 12 foot tall reptile. You probably would believe in the tooth fairy, provided that some website told you that the tooth fairy is an agent who spies and dispenses mind-controlling substances for the Rockefellers. -k

I'm sure the movie itself has nothing to do with Alex Jones. However, I'm sure that your belief that "global warming" is actually a sinister plot destroy the food supply and exterminate 90% of the world's population traces back to some crap you read on one of Joneses sites. I mean, you did already post that "Meet Doctor Death" turd once, so we all know where you get your theories about a conspiracy to "depopulate" the earth. I also recall seeing ads for Jerome Corsi's book on Alex Jones' websites. Corsi, when not acting as the mouthpiece for the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth or blathering about the "North American Union", is promoting the theory that oil is a renewable resource that grows inside the earth, in his book "Black Gold". Anyway, I don't care to watch your movie, Newb. If I want to hear the next big idea from big-oil sponsored apologists trying to explain why fouling the air doesn't matter, I'll just read JerrySeinfeld's latest posts. I don't know whether human-made carbon dioxide emissions are contributing to global warming. However, I do know that your belief that this is tied into a "depopulation" conspiracy by the world banking elite is one of the stupidest things you've come up with yet. -k

Guess you missedall those mainstream media links on this issue. No, I read them. I'm not disputing the mainstream articles cited. I'm ridiculing the conclusions that Jones and his retarded little buddies have drawn from them. These asswipes throw buckets of shit at a canvas and hope that by the time they're finished, morons like you will walk away believing they've painted the Mona Lisa. I don't judge them by their alleged qualifications (they work for Alex Jones, how qualified could they really be?) I judge their work on its merits. Which, as I've already outlined above, has no merit. Except in a "theatre of the absurd" sense. Paul Watson has a Masters in PoliSci? Cool. Did he get it from the same school that granted David Hawkins his "PhD in Thermodynamics"? As usual, you're unwilling or unable to address anything I've written. Once again all you have to offer is a pathetic appeal to the alleged credentials of these idiots you support. I'm surprised you didn't come back with one of your clever zingers about hockey pucks. Hey, when are you going to explain how the Ancient Babylonian Artifacts tie in with the world banker conspiracy? Whatever happened to that little narrative? Come on, we're all eager to hear that one. -k {now get back on the street corner and make me some money, bitch!}

What's the big deal? I showed earlier in this thread that the sunrises you'll have to "endure" because of the earlier DST this year are not any later than sunrises during December and January? If your little angels can't deal with 7:00-7:30 AM sunrises for 2 weeks during March, how do they survive two straight months of them during winter? The soccer moms can go to hell. The rest of us will me much happier with the extra hour of daylight in the evenings. -k

I am guessing the genesis of this latest theory is that Alex Jones got cut off in traffic by an Austin Transit Authority bus running on biodiesel. -k

Hey, Paul Hellyer is the guy PolyNewbie refers to for all his banking theories! Paul Hellyer founded the Canadian Action Party! Refer back to the "international banker governance" thread for details. -k

Lots of crap. Typical Alex Jones "journalism". A US army recruiter at a university is exposed as having a Secret Gay Past... and somehow it's more proof of an international kabal of Devil-worshipping child molesters who secretly run the world. "Lookit! Lookit! Another HOMERSEXUAL who works for THEM!" -yes, there are actually a great many gay people. Some of them hide their lifestyle. Some of them even have government and military jobs. Shocking! Shocking to Alex Jones, at least. Pretty much everybody else has gotten over it. "Why, he's HOMERSEXUAL, and he works for THEM! Just like that JEFF GANNON character!" -uh, aside from Gannon and Sanchez both being caught hiding their gay pasts while trying to advance their careers, what's the connection? Are we supposed to believe that there's a connection between Sanchez and Gannon because they're both homosexuals? Are other gay people in government jobs actually members of the International Homo Conspiracy? Should I stake out Alderman Phair? "Why, it's just like that other time, 18 years ago, when some members of the Republican party turned out to be HOMERSEXUAL and were accused of hiring gay male prostitutes!!!" -uh huh. Charges were dropped. The grand jury investigating it determined that it was all a hoax. "But it weren't a hoax! Why, just a few years ago I interviewed some feller who said he can prove the whole thing! -uh huh. I wasted several seconds of my life reading Jones' riveting interview with John DeCamp, whose proof apparently consists of diaries written by one of the alleged exploited teens. DeCamp declares: "So when I went and visited with him and he told me these strange tales and then you had the head of psychiatry from one of the major medical institutions in the state say, "Hey, this kid he ain't crazy. He's a multiple personality and he's probably telling the truth because multiples don't need to lie. They just switch personalities.”" He's not crazy, he's got multiple personalities! "It all ties in with the time those KBR fellers who were running child prostitutes in Bosnoid or Yogurtslavia or whatever the hell that was!" ... So add it all up... -a gay military recruiter gets "outed", -a gay Whitehouse reporter gets "outed", -18 year old dropped child exploitation charges, -KBR (Halliburton!) employees accused of sexual exploitation in the former Yugoslavia ...and what do you get? Overwhelming proof that there's an international fag conspiracy controlling the world! Who can argue with logic like that??? Because 2 + 2 = 17,283,291... and only Alex Jones and his supporters can spot the missing 17,283,287. Well, Alex Jones apparently hates and fears fags as much as he hates and fears wetbacks. Matt Sanchez is Alex Jones' worst nightmare: a gay Hispanic. Sweet. -k

Typical. Why don't you attempt to respond to anything I wrote, or explain how the ancient Babylonian artifacts fit into your international banking conspiracy. -k

I can hardly wait to see where this one is headed. Ok, Agent Mulder, what is it this time? What's the secret connection between ancient Babylonian artifacts and the "world banking conspiracy"? I mean, most of us had assumed the trashed museums were the work of looters taking advantage of the war-time chaos to steal priceless treasures. But I'm sure you're going to tell us that there's actually something far more sinister involved. Go ahead, I'm sure this will be fascinating. Does it involve NESARA? Star Angels? Power crystals and Orgones? The intergalactic war between the gray aliens and the 12-foot tall lizards? Are the Masons going to try to use the ancient artifacts in an occult ceremony to free Cthulhu from his cyclopean prison in benighted Ry'leh? Enlighten us, teller of truths! It tells me that you've moved along from Alex Jones to somebody even more detached from reality. They were never characterized as "losses", they were described as transactions that are untrackable due to inadequate accounting practices. Just because I can't tell you what I bought at Save-On-Foods on July 25, 2005 doesn't mean the money was lost or stolen or spent on something illegal. You and your cohorts can never explain how it's possible for Rumsfeld and friends to steal a sum of money that would equate to *every penny* of the defense budget for a whole decade! Did the USAF ground all their planes between 1992 and 2000? Did they lay off all their soldiers during that time? Were the battleships mothballed? No? Then what did they use to pay the soldiers and buy fuel if the whole budget had been stolen every year for a decade? And none of you people have ever come up with a rational explanation of why Rumsfeld would fess up to this alleged gigantic heist. If the money was stolen, and if the Sept 11 attack at the Pentagon was designed to cover it up, then why would Rumsfeld tell the world about it on Sept 10? Don't you think he could have called in sick that day? Why admit to the heist of the century if there's a massive plan to cover the whole thing up? And you don't even believe in it yourself, because in your world view, the world banking conspiracy stealing money would make about as much sense as eskimos stealing snow. Just because someone doesn't believe in your insane theories doesn't mean they trust our leaders. I have lots of doubts about what the real agenda behind global conflict, and whether national policies and international agreements that benefit corporations will have adverse effect on average people. The fact that nobody believes in your death camps and occult baby-eating ceremonies doesn't mean that people are blind followers. Speaking of blind followers, how is it that you're so skeptical of information coming from the governments, but can't apply any skepticism to these nutjobs you read? The David Hawkins thing last week was just an example... the guy publishes theories full of junk science, demonstrably false claims, and ridiculous logic... but you defend him vigorously. Why? Apparently just because he's a conspiracy guy too. -k

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Right - anyone with two eyes can see the collapses were unnatural and controlled because the buildings collapsed straight down. For the building collapses to occur symetrically like that all supports on each floor would have to collapse at the same time. That would be like throwing a 100 basket balls onto a pile and have them all balance directly on top of each other to form a straight vertical tower that is 100 basket balls high - impossible. No, I don't. Explain. You aren't prepared to accept that exploding conventional explosives wouldn't create an EMP, because you feel that particles moving at high-velocities and so-on could have effects that aren't obvious to a lay-person's understanding of physics. And yet you feel that any lay-person can assess the dual-tube design the Twin Towers, assess the damage done, assess how steel reacts when subjected to heat and stress, and assess how it would behave in the event of a structural failure. You feel a conventional explosion is too complicated to rule out an EMP. But you and your friends on the Truthwagon feel that the Twin Towers are sufficiently simple that you can model it using Jungo-sticks, Lego-blocks, bricks and rabbit wire, trees with Keebler Elves living in the side, and now apparently Basketballs stacked on top of each other. You recognize that particles moving at high speeds are complex, but you believe that skyscrapers are such simple structures that everybody can form an educated opinion on how they would fall. If you don't see a contradiction between the two positions, you're beyond help. -k

Or you are just a fool that doesn't recognise his own limitations and understanding.This is typical of you. You can't argue with anything I wrote, so you have no recourse except to insult me.Just come clean. Admit it. You can't provide a single plausible explanation as to how conventional explosives could create an EMP more powerful than one created by lightning. Or, provide me an explanation otherwise. I'm actually really hoping you try. I'm really looking forward to it, in fact. I'd go so far as to say I'm trying to bait you into providing one of your crap theories. I dare you. I double dare you. Please please please, it would make me so happy. Please? I could do it with some duct tape, explosives and maybe a hammer. The airplane wasn't converted to a pulse jet engine in the literal sense - the explosion inside behaved like one. Its like if you put gas in a beer bottle and set a match at the top - a flame shoots out. Fire shooting out of a beer-bottle isn't "like a pulse-jet" either. Even your beer-bottle is being awfully generous to the plane, which more likely behaves like a firecracker (ie, the thin aluminum walls and lightweight windows aren't strong enough to contain an explosion, particularly one powerful enough to create the "high energy effects" you think might be able to cause an EMP.) Hey, when you filled the beer-bottle with gas and lit it on fire, did the lights go out? Did it interfere with radio reception? Anyway, what makes you think think Hawkins was speaking figuratively? He used the phrases "pulse jet" and "pulse detonation engine" repeatedly. He specifically states "a General Electric Pulse Detonation Engine," in fact. He even provides a link to a schematic design for a Pulse Detonation Engine. Does that sound like a guy who's speaking figuratively? Anyway, it's not like the pulse-jet story is the only example of how Hawkins works. He starts with a crappo theory, throws in a couple of links (that don't actually even support his claim) as "proof", and writes an Official Sounding Open Letter to someone of note. "Dear London Insurance Bureau, I recommend that Lloyds of London initiate insurance fraud and racketeering lawsuits against CAI Funds based on my awesome research that proves that Cascade Aerospace modified Boeing 757 aircraft numbers 11, 175, 77, and 93 to explode due to GE Pulse Detonation Engines set up in the cabin." His supporting evidence: Cascade Aerospace press announcement that they won a Boeing contract to modify Boeing 737 aircraft... dated December 4, 2003. Wow, you can't argue with logic like that. Here's another example of his work: Imminent bio-warfare attack? Lasers disrupting electrical utilities? SWAT teams? Wow! Sounds serious! His Virtual Reality Prototyping Software must have been working overtime to spot these telltale signs! His supporting articles? -a press announcement that MacDonald Detweiller Associates won a contract to provide air-traffic control software for the US Air Force -a press announcement that Defence Research And Development Canada bought e-learning software from a subsidiary of Paul Martin's company. -a press release that MacDonald Detweiller Associates won a contract to provide geographic information systems for the US Department of Agriculture. Wow, how can you argue with evidence like that? Great forensics, Hawk. Good thing this biowarfare attack never materialized. Probably it was Hawkins' Open Letter that foiled the attacks. uh huh. His resume indicates that he has a Bachelor's degree in Mechanical Engineering (not "high energy physics" or electromagnetics, I notice...) and that he has "invented a machine for Virtual Reality Prototyping", designed a monorail, and participated in a variety of vaguely described projects in his past. awesome. Great source of info. -k