nicky10013

The practical application of governance in democracies doesn't include restricting personal liberties guaranteed by any constitution. If you want to limit those liberties to increase security that's fine but it means becoming nothing more than a glorified police state.

Who the hell are you to tell Canadians what they should care about? This is the entire problem. How arrogant. Something tells me you were praising the grass roots protests and democracy on facebook last year when 127,000 joined the anti-coalition group on facebook. I've said this before and I'll say it again. When a Liberal PM pulls this stunt, and they will, I'll be here with a recorder to the mouths of the Conservative base, who, by all accounts should agree with the move.

January 25th. When he should be going back to work. Unlike Harper.

A better stat is the 70% including 35% of COnservatives who believe this thing is undemocratic.

And I thought he wouldn't appoint anyone until the body was reformed. I'll say it again, hypocrite and a liar.

In Canada it might, but what does the Economist have to gain by calling Harper a dictator? It caters mainly to the US, the EU, Chinese and Indian politics. What it says is that this issue actually carries a lot more weight than Conservative partisans at home would like to give credit to. Hence, the dismissal of the public, the polls and the media outlets that cover them. The problem is, for Conservatives it's their own house that's on fire. The CPC has looked to papers like the Calgary Herald and the Globe and Mail for endorsements, not to mention international support and prestige from such right of centre business and politics mags such as the Economist. Especially the Globe and Mail, though. It's a way of sewing up the moderate vote. With this latest move, the Conservatives have alienated pretty much every single media outlet except the National Post which is so right wing that it was never going anywhere anyways.

There's a staggering difference between racial profiling and behavioural profiling. Fox news was saying the same thing that all Arab Muslim men need to be strip searched. How hilarious since the latest incident it was a Nigerian.

Despite what Samuel Huntington argues this isn`t a clash of civilization, a war between cultures. Islam isn`t the enemy, the fundamentalists are. People in the middle east want peace and prosperity just as much as we do. AS I said, provide wealth and create a middle class in these countries. The time of 9/11s is over because they've done enough to spook the hell out of the American Public. As we've seen over the past two weeks, all it takes is a failed attempt for everyone to go nuts. Bin Laden did one thing right by targeting the most over reacting country on the planet. The way the Americans need to go about this threat is the way the British did in the 70s which is remain calm. The terrorists win when we lose our shit and do retarded things like refuse people the right to get out of their seat during the last hour of flight. Benjamin Franklin once said that a society that degrades liberty for security deserves neither. Too bad nobody has heard that lately.

The age of 9/11 type attacks have come and gone. Al Qaeda's profile for attacks is much smaller. Subways, buses etc. etc. 9/11 wasn't a terrorist attack as much as it was a recruiting campaign. They baited the US into invading Afghanistan. The more smart bombs the US drops, the more legitimacy is given to Al Qaeda to the people who have suffered in this conflict. We may think a noble activity of being over there but in the end it isn't about what we think of the mission doesn't matter. It's what the Afghans think. More civilian casualties and destruction simply causes more radicalism. In the end, Al Qaeda isn't a state actor. We take away Afghanistan and they go to Pakistan. We bomb Pakistan and they move to Yemen or Oman. This isn't over until the west invades the entire middle east and even then they can move to places in the Balkans and Russia where muslim populations are poor and radicalized. The way forward against terrorism isn't with bombs and troops. It's with better security policies at our airport and more trade. The largest weapon against fundamentalist is wealth and we can't create it while destroying it.

Of course they care about small c conservatives. Liberals don't steal votes from the NDP but from the Conservatives. If all parties just didn't care you wouldn't see them bending over every time a new poll comes out.

BAhahahaahahahahahah which means he doesn't care about the majority of Canadians, either. THough, I'm not too surprised about that

Conservatives can use polls to say the coalition wasn't wanted but strangely have yet to admit to polls saying that indeed, people do care about this issue.

Moronic reasoning makes me want to vomit and bang my head against the wall. The only unintelligent and dishonest thing is people trying to portray this prorogment as anything but undemocratic. A prorogment isn't a prorogment isn't a prorogment. It's a parliamentary tool that has never been abused this way before. The only thing the CPC can say is that this is something that happens normally. However, they can never come up with a concrete example of a PM proroging for 2 months and in the process killing half of his agenda in order to avoid a few questions. IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE UNTIL LAST DECEMBER!

Unfortunately the situationw we're in is worse than ad scam. Money was stolen but in the end it was repaid. The damage Harper is doing to our democracy is unprecedented. I'd rather the government lose a million dollars than cash in on my freedom.

The facts and comprehension speak for themselves. People are upset and it's not because the Liberals or other people have tried to spook people. This is coming from below. 85,000 people on facebook in 3 days speaks to that entirely. Conservatives are, quite adeptly, ignoring the entire issue around prorogment. No matter how many times people actually explain how and why the house has been proroged before and the difference between these last two examples, they'll always just smile and say, what difference? It's all the same. The only people here seemingly working from a party playbook are the people defending this. Anyways, here's the #1 story from the globe and mail. Economist vents spleen on PMs decision to prorogue http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/bureau-blog/the-economist-vents-spleen-on-pms-decision-to-prorogue/article1422507/

And Conservatives think the Liberals are arrogant. Your entire policy gamble is based on Canadians being too stupid to understand our institutions. Look at all the formerly pro-harper papers who are now in Ignatieff's corner because of this? The Conservatives can only hope the public does nothing because in saying that, even the party realizes what they're doing is wrong.

Bingo, just yesterday I think, I said wildrose would be the saviour of the Canadian left. Harper is being incautious and it could lead to him losing. However, the real test is when he's replaced. Harper united the right and is the only thing holding it together. Who has the dictatorial nature to replace him? Baird is about the only person in that caucus with the ability to get that job done but he's not a leader. He's an attack dog.

Of course the way it goes. But the argument has always been that proroging hasn't hurt the Conservatives at all in the polls and that just simply isn't the case. Saying something over and over doesn't make it true.

Well since the Liberals did it, it must be kosher! This line of thought would be ok if Harper wasn't originally elected on an accountability platform. Hilarious.

Lawrence Martin http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/harpers-given-them-two-months-of-free-target-practice/article1421513/ Even the Economist is weighing in on this calling it undemocratic http://www.economist.com/world/americas/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15211862&source=hptextfeature

Actually more and more they do feel the same way. Harper's numbers have come down from 40% 2-3 weeks ago to 33. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/bureau-blog/prorogation-has-hit-a-nerve/article1422003/ They even have Macleans saying Harper is going to try and survive this by stealing ideas from the Iggy and the Liberals. http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/01/07/new-ideas-old-tactics/

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/bureau-blog/prorogation-has-hit-a-nerve/article1422003/

You're an idiot. The Nazi's weren't socialists, they were fascists and being a Liberal doesn't equate you with Stalinist totalitarianism. We have a bigger government in Canada than people in the states and I can tell you for certain that we're no less free. There is a spectrum but what this fear monger wants people to think is that there is no such thing as conservative authoritarianism. It goes both ways. Swing too wildly out to either side and both use extreme ideology to protect the community. The Nazis did it to protect themselves and their buddies in big business who operated privately. The Soviets did it to protect their monopoly on state ownership. There's a gigantic difference in ideology, they just used the same methods to enforce those ideals.

Ummmm, not to embarass you but he was actually talking about the CPC.

Ahahaha the government has a good reason, they just haven't shared that reason with anyone. So much more democratic. Listen, you're right, proroguement IS a regular occurance. However, no matter how many examples you can come up with they just do not compare to what Harper is doing right now. There's just no comparison. Furthermore, Conservatives not able to pass Conservative legislation isn't the point. The point is he's shutting down the institution in which my voice is represented in the halls of government. Why? Well, you can't tell me why but I can certainly venture a guess. It got a little too hot in the kitchen and the PM decided to bolt. Questions and denials are a dirty thing when you're caught in a lie and recorded on Hansard. The man simply doesn't want to deal with the opposition. He's taking the ball, going home and ruling by decree until after the Olympics. Stephen Harper himself has a quote on what he's currently doing. There was talk Paul Martin might prorogue to get away from adscam which never came to fruition. Stephen Harper was directly quoted as saying proroging parliament is undemocratic and leaves the government unaccountable. Liar and a Hypocrite.