nicky10013

Right on the money.

I never said it was bad that we sold them weapons. Apparently you have the very same problem as me in being able to read. Except I actually know how to read because in my opinion the words pathetic and cowardly are completely interchangeable within the context which you wrote.

Alright. The Liberals are responsible for medicare, CPP, the Constitution, 2 referendum victories, the national flag, Student loans, one of the longest stretches of surpluses and economic growth in Canadian history. We also did the Canadian Navy - Mackenzie King not only led Canada through World War 2 but laid the foundations for the Statute of Westminster which extended Canadian sovereignty. We brought in multiculturalism and the current head of the Liberal Party is one of the fathers of Responsibility to Protect. Pretty big accomplishments, no? Hahaha what a campaign slogan. "We're not that great but the other guys are SOOOOOOO much worse."

Nothing that has been said isn't true. A lot of the weapons the US government has sold Egypt are being used in the crackdown. Furthermore, I didn't bring it up to say what America has done is bad, but more because BC was being a dick. Yes some people may have a holier than thou attitude here, but him saying the Egyptians were lazy or cowards for not doing this sooner is pretty damn bad. For the record, I don't have a problem with the US doing what it percieves to be in the best interest of itself, the region and general peace and stability. It's a complicated world so let's not handle issues with kid gloves anymore. Though some may disagree, sometimes that means standing next to people like Mubarak. At the current moment considering his cooperation with not only the US and Israel, Mubarak is the least bad option in Egypt. Furthermore, the very fact that we have countries on our side like Jordan and yes even Saudi Arabia and the UAE as active partners in combating terrorism. Why is it so hard to say it, though? I watched a small clip of an interview with David Cameron done by Fareed Zakaria and he had no qualms in saying that Mubarak had been a great ally in the region.

Lebanon has been unstable for a decade, though. This popping up during what's happening in Egypt is a coincidence.

Exactly. So tone down the holier than thou attitude. You claim the Liberals are closer to the Conservatives than the NDP and you may be right. However, the NDP is closer to the Conservatives in one respect. I call it the "Our shit don't stink" syndrome.

So the only thing that matters in terms of governing is whether you run a budget surplus? You sound like a Liberal to me. Furthermore, it's telling that the only thing that you can say the NDP has stood their ground on has been corporate tax cuts. Funny, because they're not even in government and like I've been saying, can't stand on it because they simply can't do anything about it.

This isn't about Canada. This is about you calling people in Egypt cowards for not standing up to the government yet it's your tax dollars at work helping with the crackdown.

Not so pathetic considering how much US military equipment is there right now helping crack down on these protestors. Most pictures show the M113 APC but new ones have the egyptian army riding around in nice American made M1A1 Abrams. They also show Egyptian pilots in spiffy American made F-16s. Though, the American made Blackhawks and Apache gunships would probably be the better options in cracking down on the protests.

See, the great thing about Jack is that he can stand on all his promises all he wants. That's our entire point. He can say the most grandiose stuff ever uttered because he'll never win an election and can never back it up. Like I said, there's a difference between campaigning and governing. Like we've been saying, you can stand on your soapbox and claim ideological superiority but the fact that you're still clinging to that (because you've got nothing else) says that while we may think of politics as superficial, at least we're realistic about it. Your view of things is so naive and child like it's honestly a little depressing. Society isn't static. When governing, every situation is fluid. Changes have to be made on the fly to address a problem that didn't arise during a campaign or something just not thought of. You have to work with the bureaucracy to get things done and as the Tories have found out, that's not exactly easy. Things change and so must our approach policy wise. Yet, we have the NDP and their lackies with absolutely no experience in what governance actually is mocking people in power for not rigidly sticking to ideology. Which in itself you're being wildly naive. Your attacks in and of themselves are highly opportunistic as well. You're engaging in the same kind of crass politics you shit all over other people for. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

I don't think so. Tunisia yeah, Egypt yeah but they're not connected. Isolated protests through Jordan and Morocco isn't exactly surprising. This stuff is a regular occurance in the Middle East. What's happening in Egypt is making what's happening in other countries seem that much more important.

I don't think anyone's playing the victim - merely pointing out the hypocrisy of people claiming that parties like the NDP and the CPC aren't every bit as opportunistic as the Liberals.

It's easy to lecture from your soapbox. ANother thing to govern. Just ask Bob Rae.

History? Really? So the future is history? Wow. It takes a special mind to spin that one around.

Ah, so YOU ARE saying that you're for endless elections. Right. And the Conservative Blue Book after only 5? Furthermore, what happened 20 years ago happened 20 years ago. Who knows. However what I do know is that hypocrisy exists in every party. Our NDP friends on this board won't admit it of course, but Jack is guilty of the same thing. He can sit on his high horse and condemn the Liberals for not standing up to the Conservatives, but considering his party and his chances, anyone can say anything without having any responsibility of keeping parliament going. Who would you trust? No it wouldn't. The goal of the cuts were to keep Canada competitive. We are. We can hold off a little longer on further cuts until the deficit is brought under control. I don't disagree. Doesn't mean we should be attracting other companies here to do business. Canadians have to come to grips with the idea that for the most part manufacturing is dead. We need to build a smart economy based on companies like RIM. And? This line doesn't even make sense. Why should Ignatieff apologize for what Chretien did? Sons shouldn't have to apologize for the sins of the father. Furthermore, next time maybe be more concise. This post is so fractured that it was almost impossible to reply to.

Reporters from CNN and the BBC are reporting that the protestors in the street believe the army is on their side. There's was a twitter link to an article from Al Jazeera that claimed the police and the army were fighting in the streets but the link was to an article in arabic, which unfortunately I can't read.

I'd say none or close to none but you're right, it's too hard to tell. In these situations it's local conditions that spark these. I mean, Americans (most of the Reagan presuasion due to his speech) still try to take credit for the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and the USSR and nothing can be further from the truth. It seems to me that the first question in the US media (maybe to get people interested at home who otherwise wouldn't be) is to say how are we involved? When they're not. It happened during the 2009 Iranian Green Revolution and it's happening now. I think the proper phrase here is that people can get angry at their governments all on their own and can topple them without the US. CNN: Oh man they've got reporters on who have been beaten up and instead of asking them about how the protests are going first hand they'd rather ask them about how they had the perseverance to get back on the air after that. Just let them cover the story! They had a BBC arabic correspondant and all he wanted to do is reprot what's happening but they wouldn't let him. They just kept asking about him. THey had an American photojournalist on 5 minutes after and they tried to do it to her as well and she just told them off. "I'm not the only reporter having their camera smashed, this is a bigger story than what happened to me." Good for her.

I don't think any US president deserves credit.

Oh yeah, easily.

A very good question. THe military has moved into Cario and the protestors are welcoming the military, so who knows where this could go. I've currently got CNN on and they've said Mubarak's family has fled to London, but they currently don't know where Mubarak himself is. He was supposed to talk on Egyptian State TV an hour and a half ago.

Yeah I should've known better. I read through the whole physical paper last night and didn't catch it.

Because if Mubarak falls and they attempt to develop free institutions, it would be a victory for the US.

You read this in the paper yesterday?

No, Ignatieff.

http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/powerplay/archive/2011/01/28/hitting-michael-ignatieff-way-below-the-belt.aspx "Hitting Ignatieff Way Below the Belt." http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20110128/attack-ads-110128/ "Latest round of Tory attack ads spark controversy"