lictor616

OH! I See, so now we have to use racism to fight "historical" racism... how clever! Yeah you don't just declare... "okay now we're equal" and race doesn't count for anything" no that's what the KKK would want I suppose... So no we have to have governmental policies that are race based and treat people differently depending on what race they are.... Yes we'll engage in racism to end racism... sounds a little nutty but hey i'm sure it'll work... Just like being impolite to impolite people will increase overall politeness... yes this sounds diabolically good!

ruined is correct though... terminally indebted, bankrupt... choose your word.

With the negligible exception of culinary diversity... THERE HAVE BEEN ZERO EXAMPLES... ZERO CONCRETE SPECIFIC STRENGTHS provided by anyone here of our "diversity"... You inane argument that to learn about cultures and be aware of other civilizations is a direct factor of the amount of immigrants in a country was refuted. You can have an opera house without Italians, you can know about Japanese food without Japanese immigrants, you can know possess and learn about Ming ceramics without Chinese immigrants. You can learn other cultures (far better) by TRAVELLING and experiencing REAL cultures in their proper context FIRST HAND. Either way, probably not even Barack Obama would claim that having people learn about other cultures is a serious national aim. I repeat I asked you to enumerate the CONCRETE SPECIFIC REAL STRENGTHS we would not have without our "diversity": IE: Does diversity increase crop yield, does it boost GNP? Show me how having 1 million Nigerians for instance, will help us boost exports... or reduce crime ad poverty...

nice try ... by the way... no one said anything about a "FAILED" economy... a progressively weakening one certainly.. why lie Dancer?

In case you have been dwelling in a cave for a decade: here are the facts about the glorious US economy: (http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/1917-cn.htm) * Since the mid-1970s, the top 1% of households have doubled their share of the national wealth. The top 1% of US households now have more wealth than the entire bottom 95%. * Microsoft CEO Bill Gates owns more wealth than the bottom 45% of American households combined. In the fall of 1997, Gates was worth more than the combined Gross National Product of Central America - for you geography buffs, that's Guatemala, El Salvador, Costa Rica, Panama, Honduras, Nicaragua and Belize. By the fall of 1998, Gates' $60 billion was worth more than the GNPs of Central America plus Jamaica and Bolivia. The US economy 1/United States: Distribution of Wealth % of US Population % of Wealth Owned ========================================================== Top 1% 38.1% Top 96-99% 21.3% Top 90-95% 11.5% Top 80-89% 12.5% Top 60-79% 11.9% General 40-59% 4.5% Bottom 40% 0.2% Source: le monde diplomatique 2003 2/ A U.N. report shows that the income inconsistency among the world 's richest 20 percent of the populace and the poorest 1/5 widened from 30:1 in 1960 to 74:1 in 1997. 3/ About 0.13% of the world’s population controlled 25% of the world’s assets in 2004. Ignacio Ramonet, The politics of hunger, Le Monde diplomatique, November 1998 4/ 20% of the world’s population consume 86% of the world’s goods while 80% of humanity gets just the remainder 14%. (Eileen Alt Powell, Some 600,000 join millionaire ranks in 2004, Associate Press, June 9, 2005) This wealth gap in the US has widened every year for the past 50 years. In essence the US has lost much in terms of average life quality, the US went from being a middle class nation, to a low income nation (with a tiny super rich elite). http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/29/news/economy/wealth_gap/ The US used to export 23.7 percent of its GDP versus 7.6 percent today, and registers a staggering deficit of 1.2 trillion in TRADE DEFICIT vs. a 4 billion dollar surplus in 1950 not retrograded) (http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/webfeatures_viewpoints_tradetestimony/ The US economy is essentially a giant credit card, ( ), the US has to beg to other nations (hat in hand) not to claim the money they owe them. But hey, you're allowed to enjoy your ignorance...

not entirely accurate: circa WW1 germans where the largest ethnic group in the US with 29%, of the total population (some estimates: Germany and the Americas By Thomas Adam page 243: going as far as 38% of the entire nation). Also about 43% of all conscripts and US soldiers in WW1 and about the same during WW2 where german-americans. Almost all sources say the actual number is doubtless higher, since as you'll remember this was during the time when the US had its insane Creel commission who concocted numerous outlandish fairy tales about germans decapitating babies and eating them with salt and pepper, german soldiers crucifying americans alive... and similar nonsense to whop up some enthusiasm for the war effort which was of no conceivable interest to America. During that crazed period, many german-americans where persecuted and hence many would change their names and hide their german-ancestry in an effort to avoid persecution (http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/1/) Today german Americans number about 18% of the total U.S. population and 26% of the non-Hispanic white population making them once again the LARGEST ethnic group. where you get this 15.2% figure... I don't know. The Soviet Army A 1938 report noted that 1.3% of the draft where non-white (www.da.mod.uk/colleges/arag/document-listings/russian/D61). The difference between a Central asian (caucasian), and a slav are essentially the same as a north korean and south korean... the soviet army was an overwhelming majority of East European (Slav) and Caucasian Minorities ( Richard Pipes, "The Nationality Problem," in Handbook of Major Soviet Nationalities, Kev Katz et a1., editors (New York: Free Press, 1975), pp. 1-7.) the point being that the Soveit army was far from a multiracial showboat as you dishonestly imply... T

actually, the US has declined in relative power vis-a-vis the rest of the world. The US in 1945 could have continued on and annihilated the USSR and become true Hegemon of the world. Alas it elected to give communism a chance. Today the US is a hated country, with a ruined economy, and industrial base that is almost entirely offshore and in alien hands, a less healthy less cohesive society, and all manner of geopolitical disasters waiting to happen. The US has declined in all aspects of literacy (scientific mathematical and otherwise), and continues its downward spiral as such nations as China, India and Russia grow stronger by the week. but anyway...

what did I tell ya Dancer! can I call em! okay keep laying it on... what next? maybe another godwin fallacy? hmmm maybe you could reduce your posts to one word expletives... might as well tie it down to: Lictor616: "hey Dancer, could you name the concrete specific strengths we derive from our "diversity"?" answer M.Dancer "nazi, skin head, heil hitler, KKK" see! no need to construct complete sentences Dancer, we already know the jargon...

my "cowardice of blacks" has nothing to do with the topic at hand. That I would never wish to enter into a fight with a black means i'm a coward? But then again if I said I did ... that would make me a racist... talk about straw men... Dancer, could you abide more closely to forum discussion rules... every comment of yours is a one sentence ad hominem abusive that is almost always used to discourage debate. Stop being so emotional.

Greatest diversity? are you implying that the US army at the time was a cozy little multi hued rainbow of people... indians, Mongolians, Veiled muslim women, tamil tiger americans (who where permitted to wear turban instead of helmet as canadian construction workers are), mestizo americans? Delusional much?

Scientific studies on "the capacity to live without food" antedates Nazism by at least 2 centuries.... read up on the "sick and hurt board" on British naval health... many tests where made and countless British scientific papers where produced with very accurate results. the Nazis and every European nation already knew exactly all they needed on human food tolerances. why I don't suppose you have a link right? There are lots of "testimonials" on "nazi science"... many of which is unverifiable and just plain defamatory. We all heard the nazi mattresses made from jewish hair, jewish soap etc... ad infinitam. Your simply saying this as an ad hominem attack on me... why not stick to the subject instead, and if you don't wish to respond... simply say so..

they lost to Russians (nordic europeans with a Slav admixture) allied with Britain (celtic nordic european), America (who i'm sure you will remember were half German: the largest European group in the US at the time where German Americans), and many other Allied European nation... In other words it took the entire world to "win"... but this has no relationship with the question of diversity posed earlier.

And the Nazi's were busy dominating the sciences, and making advances in all aspects of technology that the US could not even conceive of. The Nazi's also had zero unemployment, minimal crime, a very strong sense of community. Culturally, Germany was VASTLY, VASTLY richer then the United States at the time... Germany was making tremendous architectural leaps, just look at some of the work of the genius Albert Speer... and look at some of his maquettes, (http://blog.miragestudio7.com/wp-content/uploads2/2007/07/albert_speer_dome_domed_hall_hitler_architect2.jpg) Also read on what the Nazi's thought of "Entartete Musik und Kunst", they actually are sympathetic to the blacks, which where then treated as second class citizens and used as puppets to dance and prance at the pleasure of the White superclass. again though... you just had to resort to Godwin's law for the umpteenth time Dancer, would it be too much to ask to have you switch it up a bit... it's getting played out...

Is exposure to other cultures always beneficial? I mean sure it can be educational, like picking up a rock and watching what was under it, but its not clear what beneficial applications there are for our own purposes. Also, its not the most authentic way of experiencing "cultures", the surest way is to travel and see the authentic context from which they came from. And notice of course that that is not in itself "CONCRETE SPECIFIC STRENGTH". Racial diversity you say Dancer is supposed to bring "cultural enrichment" to us, but what are its real achievements? The culture of the average Canadian remains almost completely untouched by the millions of non-white immigrants who have arrived since the seventies. Perhaps they have now heard of ceremonial Kirpan dagger of the Sikhs, but even if they live in the GTA or Montreal how many Canadians know that it represents the power to cut through the deception of foreign people (ie canadians). Immigrants do not teach us Canadians about Cervantes or the Ramayana or Lady Murasaki and it would be silly to think they did. Chinese coolies in Richmond do not arrive with a curator's knowledge of Ming ceramics and copies of the Tao-te Ching in their pockets. The one cultural artifact immigrants bring with them is their language--which increasingly becomes an bastardized farrago that would astonish their countrymen.

What do you mean by "look alike"? specifically i asked you a rather straightforward question: to list the SPECIFIC CONCRETE STRENGTHS WE WOULD NOT HAVE IF IT WERE NOT FOR DIVERSITY (diversity of the kind we are asked to celebrate: i.e. RACIAL/ETHNIC diversity)

the quote was "Order and homogeneity, a society where we all look alike and think alike... gawd how boring." Of course the topic is diversity (racial and otherwise), by "looking alike" is interpretable as (being of the same race/ethnicity), everyone knows what is meant by that sentence, you can pretend to read something other in it... but

Sarfraz and mehmood is pakistani right?

To go see the motley family of Gotha Saxburg? No thank you.

Why do you "embrace diversity"? I know TV tells you to do this unthinkingly, but I trust you don't do everything TV tells you like a lemming, and I don't want to insult your intelligence, so please: show me your reasoning: could you list specifically the CONCRETE and REAL strengths brought to us by our diversity? And please do not say only ethnic restaurants.... Tell me about the real strengths our country would not have if it were not for diversity. and please come up with a better reason then the terminally flawed and cynically shallow "white people are boring" nonsense. Do you really need Tamils and Somali refugees to keep things interesting in your life?

Would you care showing how this is so? How do you gauge that diverse societies are as cohesive as homogeneous ones?

so a system of complete racial equality, which doesn't consider race AT ALL... is still somehow ... RACIST? am I getting this right? Wanting to treat people of different races EQUALLY... is RAcist... I mean how much more proof do you need to see that all this hate crime hooplah has nothing to do with anti racism... and everything to do with bludgeoning the white majority into accepting its own racial subjugation and "payback" for some real or imagine racism. People like strangles are the real racists... people who want to enact laws to dispossess an identifiable group. The fact that he couldn't bring himself to qualify the 14 on 1 (black on white 14 year old girl assault) as ALSO a hatecrime shows the functioning of this person's mind: which is filled with racial hatred for white people.

why is this an issue? Order and homogeneity, a sense of identity and belonging, are not just luxuries for us. They are essential. Without them our society sickens and dies. Leftists may not be able to understands that, and the MSM with its propaganda, will try to keep the rest of us from understanding it, but we can see the proof of it all around us. We Canadians should once again strive for a society for our own kind, a society to which we can really belong and feel a sense of responsibility to, a society in which we have a place and are appreciated if we fill that place well, a society based on order and quality and structure and commonality. People who live in a homogeneous society, a society constituted of similar people who interact with each other regularly, that is to say: look similar, have similar values and ways of viewing the world around them, have similar reactions and attitudes (i.e.: of similar ethnicity, culture, religion in other words the very OPPOSITE of diversity)- people in a homogeneous state tend to bond with the people around them. They tend to feel a sense of commonality, a sense of rootedness a SENSE of community. They tend to feel a sense of comfort and more importantly: security from having people like them around them. They will seek the approval of the people with whom they have bonded. They feel a sense of responsibility and protectiveness toward these people. Take away the homogeneity, the "identity" of a people and you greatly reduce the possibility of social cohesion. Instead of a nation or community, you merely have a mass of ROOTLESS individuals, and each of those individuals is thinking, at least at a subconscious level, "It's every man for himself." Without homogeneity you loose all sense of a common set of shared values and the result is almost always a rise in antisocial behavior... for instance schoolyard shootings will increase while social bondage will decrease. Neurotic and psychotic behavior goes way up too. Our country should possessed a strong sense of identity and a sense of responsibility to the future, without this indispensible faculty, they have no prospects for a viable future. No country is morally healthy without being imbued with a strong sense of its own identity.

most of us sober people are quite aware of this sickening double standard... and the same people who are usually foaming at the mouth with hate and anger at "white on black" "hate crimes" are always conspicuously silent about the reverse situation of "black on white crime" which is far more prevalent and often far more egregious. In places where interracial crime stats are compiled (such as the US) 85 of interracial crimes are black-on-white, yet reading newspapers and watching TV news does not confirm this reality.

1/ Criminal conspiracy is an obscene loophole- technically "A criminal conspiracy exists when two or more people agree to commit almost any unlawful act" hence any crime could be labeled a conspiracy. "Conspiracy" as a statutory offense has nearly been abolished. The notion however that someone gets into a fist fight because of the race or hairstyle of a certain person cannot by any stretch of the imagination be prosecuted as a "conspiracy". 2/ Assault is not the same as thought... there's a reason why western style justice systems operate under what "DAMAGE" is caused. I can tell if someone has had a nose broken, I can tell when a home has been arsoned, I can tell when teeth have been knocked out- I can tell if someone caused bodily harm as self defense.... I CANNOT tell however, when people are victimized by WORDS THAT ARE SAID TO THEM, or by thoughts thunk by a perpetrator- there is NO WAY of knowing someone is victimized by thoughts or words. if someone is shot because of a certain style of clothes, why is this somehow less egregious, and less deserving of punishment then if someone is shot because of his race? Again, "hate crime" is a slap in the face to our whole conception of justice. 3/ there had never been "laws" such as a "hate crimes" until the early 2000's... hate crimes are a completely novel concept... and even today, there are numerous problems with their "enactment".

what a bizarre misrepresentation... The people clamoring for a "hate crime" really are enemies of justice in any reasonable sense... after all: "hate crimes" are "thought crimes" because they punish the offender for WHAT HE WAS THINKING OF while committing a crime... Furthermore, hate crimes also set completely flawed standards for judging what should be deserving of additional punishment: why is hate worst then... "jealousy" say... should there be "jealousy" crimes? What about "comedic" crimes... crimes perpetrated for laughs? should they be a separate category? justice based? NONSENSE! A hate crime is simply a travesty of justice, it is Orwell's worst nightmare... and there is no such thing as a "hate crime" in Western Judicial systems.