dub

i made some changes. tell me if you like it.

line'm up. here comes the apologists. i just wish more of you were honest like bc2004 and just admitted that you were okay with israel committing war crimes.

no one here is apologizing for hamas. you are apologizing for israel's war crimes. you have a problem. you are an apologist for war crimes.

said the holocaust denier? i guess the red cross, amnesty, HRW and now the UK government are making shit up. you are apologizing for war crimes. you are no better than the holocaust deniers.

it's not 'alleged' that israel shot missiles at buildings. it's not 'alleged' that israel killed hundreds of children. it's not 'alleged' that israel has forced a blockade on gaza. it's not 'alleged' that israel fired WP illegally. all those things happened. why are there so many israeli war crimes apologists on this board?

you've turned into quite the bullshitter. why are you trying to spin this? a country commits war crimes and another country decides to cut off shipments to it. at least a small percentage. that's a good thing.

what i'm saying is that ben gurion did not really accept everything the resolution said. he signed in order to make the state of israel official. everything else could be molded in time. it doesn't get any more official than what ben gurion has said repeatedly about his intention and plan.

hey dancer, how come you quote a comment like you're going to respond to it but you don't? is that another way for you to excuse the palestinian treatment under the israelis? i guess, by your definition, hamas' war crimes in the latest conflict is nothing compared to israel's war crimes. that makes what hamas done, excusable? stop being a war crimes apologist.

BBC it's a start.

here comes another war crime apologist: interesting list. who is japan, iran, iraq, india, taiwan... there are more from the list, but give me an answer in regards to the above and who they are occupying. while you're into giving lists, give me a list of people in the world today, under occupiers, who have been living like the palestinians have in the past 50+ years.

what have they lied about? how many lies are we talking about, as compared to the lies from the IDF? are you another war crime apologist, sulaco?

yes. accepted it. wink wink. he didn't really want to expand beyond the UN partition border and only did because the arabs attacked. all the stuff ben gurion said about expanding the borders and greater israel is made up and part of pallywood.

lols look at these self-hating jews!

palestinian children don't need to go to school. the settlers say so. here is more pallywood.

ben gurion did set israel on a course to achieve 'greater israel'.

what are you babbling about? DoP tried to use a link to an organization that has helped palestinians. i told him that the organization is not funded by the israeli government. that it's funded privately by israelis and jews who are not intoxicated by nationalism. nationalism that has left a group of people living in despair for decades.

zionists know that the internet is the new frontier. they may not have facts or the truth on their side, but they sure have the numbers and the time. here is a tool that's used by these racist nationalists: here is the software. you can find it here. if you want to learn more about it, i have a feeling that at least one of these troopers uses it; DoP, dancer, krusty, sharkman and argus.

sounds like dancer is a little outraged that he and the other war crimes apologists have been doing this for free.

why? i mean, if all these organizations have said that israel committed war crimes, why try to minimize these reports by picking and choosing? if all these human rights organizations have said israel has committed war crimes, maybe it's time to accept that israel has done so. i think it deserves more discussion because there seems to be a group here in north america who want to apologize for israel's violations. these are the same people who champion criticism of other nation's violations, but for some reason, they believe israel should not be criticized and condemned. i don't discount UNHRC's resolutions, in the 2 years that have focused on israel more than other nations. i also don't discount the reports by human rights organizations that have concluded that israel has committed war crimes. i mean, this particular thread is on the red cross and HRW and another is on amnesty. so because the UNHRC's resolutions have shown a focus on israel's violations, does that mean all the other reports are invalid?

eh? are you trying really hard to use your anti-semite card again?

so have you had a chance to look at any of the reports on israel's violations or are you going to continue to dismiss the reports because sudan is not getting as much attention?

UNHRC is relatively new. what about amnesty, the red cross, HRW? all these other organizations have covered violations around the world. it seems like you choose to ignore this fact. from what i remember, amnesty, red cross and HRW have covered tibet and chechnya. UNHRC has as well, but to a lesser extend. but again, they're only a few years old. UNHCR which is a little different than UNHRC monitors and assists people in chechnya extensively. israel, just like china, has not been penalized for their human rights violations. you don't think there has been massive coverage of china's treatment of people in tibet? you should look into what HRW and AI have reported on china's violations of human rights. because what you're saying is incorrect. israel does not only use it's military that punishes the palestinian people, but they've also created a blockade that holds the gazans in a prison. this has been going on for over 2 years. not to mention the decades old question of the palestinian refugees. israel's violations is a lot bigger than you're trying to make it out to be. they're violations that have been ongoing for over half a century. much longer than the sporadic issues in africa which the western countries do not support. me types. heh. again, look into amnesty, HRW and red cross' reports on other conflicts and issues then comeback to me about this lack of proportional coverage.

speaking of milking the cow... you'd think israel would feel guilty about violating their commitment to US peace plan and freeze the settlements after receiving $3billion in handouts every year. you don't seem to agree, but i think it's okay to give donations to groups who stand for human rights as oppose to those who violate them.

the haredis are part of the ultra orthodox jews in israel who officially support the expansion of settlements. these spitting and screaming extremist jews are also part of the ultra orthodox jews who support the expansion of the settlements and the vision of a greater israel. same shit, different pile.

there is a life beyond the mapleleafweb forum. i've done my share of chit chats and essays on africa. i probably would get into long winded discussions if someone came in here and said: "what mugabe is doing is not a war crime" or "saudi treats women great!". but no one does that here. saudi and many other countries treat their own people quite bad, however, again, no one here disputes it, so there is nothing to discuss. also, another difference is that they're not committing these violations outside of their borders like israel is on the palestinians. no one supports those who are committing the violations besides a few other african governments. there is no economic trade with darfur and no political support from anyone outside of china. that's not what i'm saying. what i'm saying is that we, as in our governments, support israel despite their violations of human rights. you obviously haven't checked to see what UNHRC has done since 2007 (when they were established) you really should look into their coverage of other violations, like in sudan, before making such claims. as you mentioned, you haven't even looked at the amnesty report. why not take a look at it before coming into your conclusions. if you have time, also look into red cross and HRC's reports as well.