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What are you on about now? And what logic are you referring to? Where did i bring up Norway or the United States for that mater? How many KM is OSLO from Veron?

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Thats all well and good MS, but Ma Jones and Hearts & Minds (where do you get this crap?) are talking about US prisions.......let's atleast try and stay on topic here

Whats wrong with the idea.........I thought you have been hammering away at helping crooks mesh back with society? What better way then to give them on the job training and a degree of their self estem back by allowing them to pay (a part of) for their "room and board" with the money they earn?

Where did i go wrong? By all means, set me straight, but I ask you to use proof as opposed to rhetoric

Who said anything about raising the retirement age? Isn't this a good thing? Allowing old people the choice to still work abit longer a perhaps top up their RRSPs instead of forcing those that don't have much of a pension to eat cat food?

Why do violent criminals need to be rehabilitaed in a half way house? Why do violent criminals need to be rehabilitaed in a half way house? Or we can blame those that write the laws Well we are on the topic of prisions and the corporate sector, perhaps we should look at contracting out prisions/half-way houses to the private sector Start using chain gangs again to maintain the roads/fight forest fires/produce licence plates etc.........better yet, we could offer cheap labour to the corporations, well at the same time giving criminals some "life skills".......I'd bet we could supply 20 criminals to a company like Ford, for what they pay one union worker.

Why? I don't see why the elected city government can't pass an ordinance.

How would we be better off?

And part of being Canadian, is also having a democratic say........and if the people in Veron don't want a half way house for violent offenders thats within their right.................. Now if you are not big on democracy, perhaps it is you that should go live else where........I thought you were quite willing to "Toot the horn" of Sweden and Denmark..There's an idea.

And why do we want to deter them? Public safety Exactly. I'd rather the death penality for murder in the first, and tougher, longer sentances for other violent crimes. IMHO, child molesters should not be held in protective custody, but should be in with the general population.

Why? We talk about it with our boss every day........A very longstanding joke we have when somebody complains about being tired/making a mistake/weather/hangover/breaking a tool/porta potty conditions etc is followed by : "Go take it up with your union rep" Are boss jokes with us at the end of the day and before coffee/lunch that we all look like a city crew/union workers. The vast majority of people in any workplace that I've worked in think of unions as a joke. Why would we want to be a part of one? I get benefits from my current employer, and make only slightly less (about .75 cents) then if I was in a union. The major difference, is that I have full time work and don't have to deal with the amount of BS of being in a union, compared to friends/formor co-workers that are still in the union and are not working in the height of constrution season. And if I felt that I was getting a raw deal with my current employer............I'd get another job How is it slavery? Is somebody forcing them to work? Are they not getting paid? Would they be better off not briniging home a paycheck? Why's that? If Ford/Magna funded a comsumer groups, and their findings found that everybody would be better off if they owned a Mustang..........you wouldn't cry foul? My God, you would have six different threads on this site with the first ten responces by yourself claiming how evil Ford was and how the said comsumer group was in their pocket Gimmie a break.

Which points are you having problems getting your head around?

The consumer groups, I'm sure, would be welcome to purchase air-time at the same rate as that of GM with the networks.........now only if they had the $ Also about Sweden AND Ta mig fan Your vaunted Sweden is infested with corporations.........

That sounds like something a patient up at River View would say when asked what he or she thought about the world........."They're all crazy, I'm the only sane one left"

I don't remeber that being part of the Conservative platform.....was it even? And what's sick about it? 75% of working Canadians are not in a union.........are we all sick also? Go read his quote again: And in this case, I've yet to see what the majority is doing wrong........regardless, this is a democracy, and until you get a majority of Canadians sold on your idea of a workers paradise......deal with it! As has been asked many times, if Unions were so great, why isn't everybody part of one?

VERY GOOD POINT!!! I wonder, if put to a national referendum, if the majority of Canadians would be in favor of some form of right to work laws...........Out here on the west coast, I'm sure most people that rely on BC Ferries would have loved to throw the workers out on their collective (pun intended) asses during their last strike.

And you think that all the provinces would be willing to sign a new constitution? My god, if that was even mentioned the only result would be increased fuel to the "separatist fires" in some provinces.

I don't follow? Do you mean that the United States equals material wealth?

How's that?

Kerry represents a large number of Unions

Who would the head of the union be commenting on the subject if they were not in the union? If they were not in the union, how would the union leader be privy to all of his inside info on the accidents?

Whats does that have to do with Canada medal winners? Your link says they had the benifit of belonging to a Union And the likely reason for the deaths: Thongs and sandals

Is this a private debate? Why didn't you bother to paste the Kerry quote? John Kerry

That will learn them I'm sure all those that live in forestry dependent community will be able to pool their welfare checks and put that cheap lumber to use