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  1. Well, this is all well off-topic, and you are, as you tend to be, almost 100% wrong. I would suggest you examine some of the threads on immigration and demographics I have posted to where you will find statistics which demonstrate that there is no actual economic or demographic need for massive immigration.

    The purpose of high immigration is entirely political, intended to reinforce the short-term political fortunes of the politicians.

    It isn't off topic. It's a response to the suggestion that immigrants should not be allowed to vote.

    I'd like to take a peek at your "statistics which demonstrate that there is no actual economic or demographic need for massive immigration."

    if you could provide a link.

    I can't quite believe that, considering the huge baby boom population near or already retired.

  2. Youth gang rapists out on bail

    http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/new...all-out-on-bail

    Triple murderer out on Bail

    http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Calgary+...0303/story.html

    Indian gangster out on bail for Drug and gun charges

    http://blog.taragana.com/n/indian-origin-y...-gang-war-8675/

    This is appauling and the PM is trying to get some Bail reform going but is stalled at every turn bu the Liberals and other left wingers. I guess they enjoy the rest of Canada living in fear and slapping criminals on the wrists. These politicians who vote against judicial reforms should be sued when someone out on bail kills someone else.

    Murder suspect was out on bail

    http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandg...102666-sun.html

    House arrest in assault cases

    Another triple murder suspect released on Bail.

    http://immigrationcaqc.blogspot.com/2009/0...ut-on-bail.html

    So you are arguing for bail reform. I agree it should be reviewed.

    Two of your links are about the same case of gang killings of other gang members.

    As long as they keep the gang wars off the streets, though, do you really care when they pop each other?

    The young offenders rape case ... I suspect they are under virtual house arrest. Since they know now they can't get away with it, do you really think they'll reoffend before their trial? Those are the things the judge considers in setting bail.

    I don't disagree with bail reform. I would like to see a proper review to see how much of a problem there is - ie, How many people reoffend while out on bail.

  3. I want to know why liberal people who live outside and/or have little contact with the urban cesspools rife with immigrants/minorities(legal and illegal) keep bashing us and say that we must accept multiculturalism when they themselves choose to NOT live in the urban centres where immigrants and crime run rampant.

    Did you read this somewhere?

    Can you not provide some link, some evidence?

    Did this actually ever happen?

  4. I really don't know what all the whining is about:

    from Molly's link:

    Canada has always had high incarceration rates compared to those of other countries. [except the US] To

    some extent, this is due to variations in the age of majority among countries and different

    classifications of prison sentences. However, simply put, Canada relies heavily on

    prisons, and we incarcerate at a rate of 130 of every 100,000 adult and juvenile

    Canadians (Canada, Solicitor General Canada, Corrections Population Growth, 1996,

    p.2).

    Table 1 compares Canada's incarceration rate with those of some other western countries.

    The public seems to believe that crime continues to escalate in Canada, although this is

    not supported by police statistics or victimization surveys. As a result, there have been

    calls for both mandatory minimum sentences and longer sentences, and Canada has seen

    significant increases in prison populations.

    Canada has somewhat higher levels of property crimes than other countries, and far lower

    levels of violent crime. More than half (58%) of all Criminal Code infractions reported to

    police in 1995 were for property offences -- a figure that has changed little over the years.

    Examples of property offences include break- and-enter, theft, fraud, motor vehicle theft,

    and possession of stolen goods. A considerable percentage of crimes (30%) belongs in

    the "Other" category, covering such offences as mischief, prostitution, possession of

    restricted weapons, and arson. In reality, in 1995 only 11% of crimes reported to police

    involved violence.

    Now, if someone wants to provide evidence that the situation has changed since 1995, I'm willing to listen. Ranting and whining without evidence, however, is just stupid.

  5. Our legal system in this country is a joke. We need longer sentences or at least the freedom for judges to hand out longer sentences. Adult and the YOA(or w/e they call it now) are a joke. Immigrants come here and laugh at our liberal ways and take advantage of our laws as do many others.

    We need to stiffen the penalties and bring back the death penalty for murder that can be proven by DNA or eyewitness evidence by two or more people.

    Another gem from the fount of MrC's mouth, with no evidence whatsoever to back it up.

    And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously? :lol:

  6. Let me guess. It's the US's fault. His being with enemy fighters has nothing to do with it. He's blameless. Al Qaeda is blameless. His family is blameless. I guess it's obvious that if "Omar had a 'bone to pick' with the US and Canada," it's all the US's and Canada's fault. Have I got that right? <_<

    And now of course it's Obama's fault, too.

    While you're doing all your "learning" about this issue, here's something you might want to remember:

    Six days before he received the wounds that killed him, Chris [speer] walked into a minefield to rescue two wounded Afghan children. He applied a tourniquet to one child and bandaged the other. Then he stopped a passing military truck to take the wounded children to a U.S. Army field hospital saving their lives. link

    That's who someone killed on the day in question. A man who would risk his life to save two Afghan children. The man you are defending, if not directly responsible, was there, according to you, fighting with the enemy.

    The death of any soldier is a tragedy.

    So is the imprisonment and torture of an innocent person for political purposes.

    I never said the US is solely to blame. In fact, I consider Canada primarily to blame. The US would have sent Khadr home anytime Canada asked. ALL other westerners are gone home. ALL other children are gone. Harper is the problem.

    I don't know why Obama denied Khadr his chance to clear his name. Just didn't want the bad publicity, I guess? Irrelevant to me: he would have sent him home if Harper asked, I think.

    I see now why you've been so cranky with me. You thought I was blaming the US? No. This is purely a Canadian political issue, imo. Harper is playing with Omar's life to satisfy his nasty hardline core voters.

    Perhaps you should keep in mind that this is a forum on Canadian federal politics.

  7. Absolutely I'm anti-union, a fact I don't hide. You still have failed to answer why I or anyone else SHOULD pay for someone else or assist them in any way shape or form if they refuse to work. Please explain why this is my personal responsibility or even the responsibility of the government.

    Governments make labour laws so workers like you have some protection.

    Unions make sure employers follow the laws.

    Without unions pressing labour issues, you'd still be working for slave wages most of which you give back to the company (store) to pay debts to them. That's how it worked before there were unions.

    As long as we have unions, some people will complain about them. But if we didn't have unions, someone would create them, because employers will take advantage of workers whenever and however they can.

    You can choose to work in non-union shops: That's your choice. But don't ever forget that you only have employee rights because unions fought for them.

  8. I'm not sure what you're talking about. i strongly belive in God and I'm a Catholic. If I were in government I wouldn't want to talk about it, because people would assume that if I talk about it, it influences my decisions. I wouldn't want it to do that.

    Also, some would disagree that his Evangelical Christian beliefs don't influence his policy. I think he's done a pretty good job of keeping secular...but something like this gives me pause.

    In the Constitution, we have freedom of religion. Such talk has no place in governing this country.

    I agree that our leaders should keep their religion out of their politics. However, the article cited doesn't bother me much from that perspective.

    It does reveal something important about Harper, though: He doesn't give a damn what Canadians think of him, so long as he figures he's straight with his God. Since 'God' is whatever you choose to believe it to be ... basically he's answerable to no one.

    His contempt for Canadians shows up clearly once again.

  9. Just so we have some real facts to consider, here's Toronto's demographic profile:

    Toronto's racial diversity

    Racial Diversity Toronto, with a population of 2.48 million people (5.5 million in the GTA - Greater Toronto Area) is heralded as one of the most multicultural cities in the world and is ranked as the safest large metropolitan area in North America by Places Rated Almanac. Over 140 languages and dialects are spoken here, and just over 30 per cent of Toronto residents speak a language other than English or French at home.

    ...

    * Half of Toronto's population (1,237,720) was born outside of Canada, up from 48 per cent in 1996.

    http://www.toronto.ca/toronto_facts/diversity.htm

    Yes it is culturally diverse ... but 70% of Torontonians till speak English or French at home, and half were born in Canada. Not quite being "outnumbered" as MrCan claims.

    I'm still waiting for evidence that this has ever happened:

    "Liberals not living in Toronto yet telling the forums how great minorities are of which you have no idea about."

    I think you are making it up, MrC.

    For interested readers ... Check out your town here:

    http://www12.statcan.ca/census-recensement...All&Custom=

  10. Error casts doubt on Khadr case

    Obama seeks Gitmo trial halt

    U.S. President Barack Obama has instructed Pentagon prosecutors to seek the delay of the war crimes trial of Canadian Omar Khadr and 20 other pending cases here until May, to give his new administration "time to review" the process.

    Jan 21, 2009 04:30 AM

    Thomas Walkom

    In the end, testimony at a Guantanamo Bay military hearing that attempted to link Ottawa engineer Maher Arar to an Afghan "safe house" doesn't tell us anything about either Arar or Afghan safe houses. It does, however, speak volumes about the manner in which the U.S. has conducted its so-called war on terror.

    First, the allegation. Two days ago, FBI interrogator Robert Fuller testified that in October 2002, terror suspect Omar Khadr identified Arar as a visitor to a so-called Al Qaeda safe house in Afghanistan.

    It was a sensational claim that made front-page headlines in Canada.

    ...

    If Arar really had been bunking down at an Al Qaeda safe house in the fall of 2001, as Fuller said yesterday in a second day of testimony, both the royal commission finding and Ottawa's compensation decision would have faced serious questions.

    And the U.S. decision to send him to Syria might have seemed more explicable.

    ...

    In October 2001, when Omar Khadr was allegedly seeing him in South Asia, Arar was under RCMP surveillance in Ottawa.

    That the FBI could be so spectacularly wrong on this important detail casts into doubt all the evidence gleaned from interrogating Khadr. In fact, it casts into doubt all the confessions obtained from terror suspects subjected to what Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff once approvingly called "coercive interrogations."

    ...

    They used both sleep deprivation and classic Inquisition-style methods (now referred to by the anodyne phrase "stress positions"). She writes that Khadr, at the time badly wounded, was initially targeted for particular mistreatment.

    ...

    A lot of Americans are implicated in Bush's patently unconstitutional projects. All may eventually be forced to justify their actions. The sound you hear from Gitmo is the pitter-patter of bureaucrats scurrying for cover.

    http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/574363

    Including Obama, imo.

    http://www.thestar.com/Unassigned/article/574494

    Navy Lt.-Cmdr. Bill Kuebler, Khadr's Pentagon-appointed lawyer, said yesterday outside court that Khadr would have "confessed to seeing the Pope," to make his interrogations stop.

    Fuller's first interrogation of Khadr about Arar occurred on Oct. 7, a day before U.S. officials sent Arar to Syria, where he was held for more than 10 months on suspicion of terrorist activity, and tortured.

    Fuller testified he did not know whether the information he gleaned from Khadr played any role Arar's deportation to Syria.

    http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/01/20/khadr-hearing.html

    So ... Omar says under interrogation that he saw Arar in Afghanistan. The next day Arar is sent to Syria for a year of torture. Now Arar has been cleared and paid a settlement ... something Harper certainly doe not want to go through again.

    No wonder they're tripping all over themselves to deny Omar Khadr a fair trial. :angry:

  11. I've looked at the picture plus the many more that were taken by US forces, most as they were working on saving young mr Khadr, I've aslo seen first hand poeple shot dozens of times, so although i may not be a forensics expert but i have been trained to tell the difference on a exit and entrance wound.....So to answer your question no i'm not winging it....

    Have you seen anyone shot by a 5.56 mm round, this is not the movies, if he was shot in the back he would have been thrown to the ground face first...lets not forget he was shot multiple times....the odds of him landing on his back as you suggest is very unlikely....So if he was covered in rubble as one statement suggests he would have been laying face down....and yet he was not...Thats a problem.....

    Later you claim the wounds are covered in dust....well once again read your statements, tthe part about firing a few rounds down the lane way, the soldier sight is obscured by the amount of dust raised by firing his wpn...this dust affectionately known as Poo dust , is like talcum powdered, about 6 in thick in most places, just walking in the stuff can raise or reduce visability, and it gets on or coats everything it touches....moving Omar to a safe area to medically work on him would have been enough to coat the wounds....that and the fact that when performing first aid, one does have to check and treat both wounds exit and entrance which could involve rolling him over...into guess what the Poo dust.....

    Just to make things clear making a false written statement carries the same punishment as making one under oath,sitting in front of the court....The picture explains nothing except clearly showing he was shot in the back....

    Plus the fact that only one soldier out of the 4 that where there or seen the entire thing has changed thier statement....the other 3 have not....my question to you is why is this one statement true and the others false....what fact or piece of evidence changed your mind....

    Thats exactly what is going to happen if he is brought to Canada and put on trial here. we all know that key evidence has been ruled out , as torture was involved ....he'll be found inocent and set free to roam your neiborhood....back with his family who loves thier new country, well everything except our way of life, did i mention us as well....I'm sure a young man with a bone to pick with not only the US but Canadians as well, will make an ideal next door neibor....

    And if we are right, and he is set free to carry out his mytradom on some high value target.....i just hope it's not my neiborhood. And i will add this ....your Apology will mean squat to those lives omar takes ....

    I guess we agree to disagree. I do believe a trial would have cleared the air, but it wasn't allowed to occur.

    We'll probably never be allowed to know the truth, because it's too damaging to the US and Canada.

    If Omar has a 'bone to pick' with the US and Canada, whose fault is that?

    However, I've never heard reports of him saying anything suggesting he seeks revenge, martyrdom, or has any of the views you say.

  12. I haven't mentioned your name once. I thought it would be a great topic to discuss. Many of the same people who trumpet the joys and successes of multiculturalism live no where near other races. I'm interested to find out how and why they came to conclusion that it's great to have a multicultural society when they themselves live in anything but.

    People who live in the urban cores surrounded and outnumbered by other races I can understand, at least they live in it and if they like it I can understand how they came to that conclusion.

    However for people who live outside the more urban areas and in smaller communities and would have much less contact with other races so how would they know if multiculturalism is great or not?

    Are they parroting what they see on television? Wanting to fit in with their liberal friends? What?

    Narcissistic persons need not respond in the future if they cannot stick to the topic.

    Many of the same people who trumpet the joys and successes of multiculturalism live no where near other races.

    What evidence you can provide to support this claim?

    However, it is an interesting question you raise: If people who live in multicultural environments are quite comfortable with it, why do others who don't have any experience with multiculturalism keep complaining about it?

  13. Alright 100% is a little extreme.

    I'd just like to know how people who live in areas with very low minority population can preach to us on the greatness of multiculturalism, since they would have little to no experience with it.

    I'm speaking of people who live in smaller towns and other more rural settings where they would have limited if any prolonged exposure to minorities and immigrants other than what they would see on television.

    Do you have any evidence to support your claim? Of course not, as usual. :rolleyes:

    However, your claim does raise another question:

    IF people who support multiculturalism are the ones who live in a multicultural milieu, why do others keep whining about it if they know nothing about it?

    Is it true that people's comfort with people of other cultures is related to their experience of same?

  14. If Minorities are suffering discrimination still after Trudeau started importing them en masse in the 70's then I say multiculturalism is a failed experiment and needs to be abandoned immediately as it's clear that after 40 years of forced integration people still largely prefer the company of their own race.

    However when I go downtown TO on business I see all sorts of races holding down very well paying jobs in many tall towers downtown around King and Bay. So I call bullshit to your claims of racism. It's just another guilt stick to keep white people from banding together

    and calling you liars.

    Plain and simple.

    Yes some people have had their skills recognized and been hired, because of affirmative action programs, and are doing well. However, there is still an imbalance in the workforce, and a specific problem with the recognition of people's foreign professional certification. That's why plenty of engineers are driving taxis.

    Just curious, MrCan, what you think about the fact that your generation will carry the biggest tax burden of any generation of Canadians ever, due to the aging of the baby boomers. Do you think increasing the population of Canada to spread out that huge tax burden is a good idea?

  15. "potential?"

    You still don't acknowledge that a federal public works employment offer SPECIFICALLY BARRING WHITE MALES FROM APPLYING is precisely "discriminatory and racist"? How do you twist your mind around this to say that ""The 'potential' for discrimination doesn't count as evidence of discrimination."... this isn't "potential discrimination" its barefaced, immediate, clear and obvious DISCRIMINATION. I mean COME ON tango, please tell me you're not really this hot headedly anti-white!

    and btw... No, troll, we have affirmative action REGARDLESS if the discrimination is there or not... Our charter and affirmative action programs kick in regardless of if there is actual discrimination or not... one can be in a completely harmonious workplace with ZERO racism or discrimination and STILL reap the benefits of affirmative action and similar programs!

    Its not as if an independent investigation is made, and THEN corrective affirmative action is used... affirmative action and preferential treatment are AUTOMATIC.

    http://elliotlakenews.wordpress.com/2007/1...r-attack-again/

    http://marginalizedactiondinosaur.net/?p=1940

    These are personal blogs, and prove nothing.

    Link to real evidence please.

  16. How about this! How sickening is this?? what more proof do you need of a growing threat?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-50...-Rochester.html

    If you actually read the article to see what he's talking about, it comes down to this:

    Dr Nazir-Ali said that using amplification for the call to prayer from mosques was an attempt to impose Islam on an area.

    This, he said, raised the question of "whether non-Muslims wish to be told the creed of a particular faith five times a day on the loudspeaker.

    "This is happening here even though some Muslim-majority communities are trying to reduce noise levels from multiple mosques announcing this call, one after the other, over quite a small geographical area."

    ...

    The charges brought an angry response from the Muslim Council of Britain, the Islamic umbrella group which has come back into favour with the Government since Gordon Brown became Prime Minister.

    Assistant Secretary-General Inayat Bunglawala said the Government had contributed to the rise of Islamic extremism and compared the Islamic call to prayer with church bells.

    'He talks about the rise of "Islamic extremism" but fails to mention how some of the policies of our government and especially that of the United States in the Middle East over several decades now has clearly contributed to this phenomenon.

    "He complains of the Islamic call to prayer but presumably is content for all of us to listen to the ringing of church bells. As Jesus himself advised, perhaps the good bishop may want to examine the beam in his own eye before pointing fingers at others."

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-50...l#ixzz0Phb9qfT0

    I think he has a point: I hear church bells everyday, from three churches in my neighbourhood. It doesn't make me feel that they are trying to "impose Christianity" on me.

    Why should a call to prayer intimidate people?

    Get over it, I say. Just an extremist with his own beef trying to whip up anti-Muslim hatred.

    Much like some of the posters here. :rolleyes:

  17. TransCanada pipeline encroaches on aboriginal territorial rights

    Lubicon fight proposed TransCanada pipeline

    April 04, 2008

    by: Kate Harries

    TORONTO – The Lubicon Lake Indian Nation in northern Alberta is gearing up to fight a proposed jumbo pipeline that would carry natural gas from the Mackenzie Valley in the west to the oil sands developments to the east.

    The $983 million proposal follows a history of industrial development across the unceded Lubicon territory that has left the 500-member Cree nation impoverished, poisoned and disregarded by Canada and Alberta – despite criticism about violations of their rights from two United Nations committees.

    ”It’s a devastating situation where there is all kinds of activity around our traditional hunting and trapping areas,” Lubicon Chief Bernard Ominayak said when he traveled to Geneva two years ago. ”It’s polluting most of our waters – we have to haul our own water and we can’t eat the fish any more.”

    TransCanada Pipelines filed an application last November for the 185-mile pipeline, stating that it had consulted extensively regarding the pipeline route with stakeholders, including affected First Nations, and received no objections.

    That prompted an indignant denial from the Lubicon.

    TransCanada representatives never provided answers to repeated questions about construction, operations, safety issues and mitigation measures, and ignored a request that the company recognize Lubicon jurisdiction before applying to the provincial regulatory board, said Lubicon lawyer Fred Lennarson. ”TransCanada’s so-called ‘engagement program’ is clearly not a sincere effort to inform the Lubicon people about the project,” Lennarson wrote in a letter to company lawyer Line Lacasse in January.

    The Lubicon have been struggling against the oil industry for decades. Their worst fears have been realized - poisoned water, game scared away ... and still the province (Alberta) and federal governments do not fulfill their legal duty to consult with First Nations about development on their land.

    We get rich off the oil, they starve and are poisoned and get no compensation.

    And yet, TransCanada Pipeline posts pretty policies about its 'Aboriginal Relations', that signify ... nothing!

    TransCanada respects the legal and Constitutional rights of Aboriginal peoples

    Sounds good ... BUT!

    and recognizes that its relationships with Aboriginal peoples are separate and different from that of the Crown.

    http://www.transcanada.com/social/reports.html

    That's a sleazy way of saying that the Crown must consult with First Nations and accommodate Aboriginal rights, but the company has no legal obligation to do so.

    This is true, and the 'Crown' in Alberta is evading its lawful responsibility, and should be taken to court by the Lubicon. However, desperate as they are for basic food and water, now that their food and water supply is destroyed by industry, its clear they cannot afford to sue the province.

    grrr :angry:

    We all assume we have a huge pristine water supply up north. Not so: Much of Canada's north it is toxic from mining, oil and other industrial developments.

  18. Perhaps it's time Aileen Carroll weighed in on this one, anyway.

    The political price can rightly fall on more heads than just the councillors of Simcoe county.

    The Ontario Ministry of the Environment is the next target, because they approved the certificate that will allow the land to be sold as a dumpsite. grrr!

    All provincial MPP's should be targets for complaints about this,

    emails here: http://dawn.thot.net/ontario-mpp.html#2

    but especially the Minister of the Environment and the premier. (emails above)

    However, for the land to be sold, Simcoe County Council has to approve the sale, because they own the land. (emails provided earlier in the thread)

  19. From the Examiner: MoE looks at transfer of C of A to another owner

    Private sale feared

    By RAYMOND BOWE | Barrie Examiner, August 27, 2009

    Despite a one-year construction moratorium at landfill Site 41, there

    are fears that Simcoe County could sell the property — and its

    certificate of approval issued by the Ministry of the Environment — to

    a private company that would continue the project.

    That would quickly eliminate the political infighting over the

    controversial landfill, but it remains to be seen whether it could

    actually happen.

    ...

    Officials with the Ministry of the Environment’s Barrie district office

    said they are reviewing whether the certificate, issued in 2006, can be

    transferred to another owner.

    Boy, these slime buckets just don't quit!

    [email protected]

    [email protected]

  20. Honour killings within the Islamic world along with beheadings, arranged marriages and suppression of womens rights within the extreme Islamic world can be found being taught in their mosques and condoned.

    Really?

    Are you sure that isn't just a racist myth?

    I'd want to see evidence before accepting that gross stereotypical generalization!

  21. True, but who would accept to be Senator if there were no salary or entitlements?

    Only the rich ones ... who can then use the Senate to further their business interests without impediment by ordinary people (who need a salary) to oppose such corruption.

    That's why we pay reasonable salaries: So us 'common folk' can afford to do those jobs and are represented as well. It's called democracy - rule by all the people, instead of oligarchy - rule by a few rich and powerful people.

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