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Sexual orientation. Sorry for not being clear. Remember, this was back when they could still ask that.
I must have missed that 'back when'.
But what does that have to do with immigration and integration?
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I lifted example after example (for instnace government public works projects sending out applications with: WHITE HETEROSEXUAL MALES NEED NOT APPLY ON THE FREAKING APPLICATION LETTERHEAD, as well newspaper articles citing that certain firefighter units are barring white from admission),
Oh. I must have missed that.
Got links?
I also cited the canadian charter of "rights" and freedoms which with its 18.1 clause in effect tells us that non whites are entitled to more job opportunities and privileges based on their minority status.15.2 actually.
But that isn't evidence of a real problem occurring.
I listed black on white hate crimes (such as the 17 on 1 brutal beating of a 15 year old white girl by BLACK SAVAGES with no denunciantions of hate crime), I've also listed interracial crime statistics ....That story was bogus, and it isn't relevant to this topic, only to your 'race obsession', which is your only topic. Any made up excuse to say 'black savages' is good enough for you, eh lictor?
and much much much more.... but you (like the biased hypocrite that you are) just SAY that there isn't any evidence despite all of this... because its the only way you can win an argument ... (despite the fact that you NEVER EVER account for your statements or cite ANY data.. .and yet the onus of "proof" is on YOU)...so nice try... but no
Well, the first two made some sense if true and if in Canada, since this thread is about integration of immigrants in Canada.
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QUOTE (tango @ Aug 27 2009, 04:03 PM) *
What I find humourous ... and pathetic at the same time ... is that people like lictor with race-obsession will argue for pages and pages using ONLY hypothetical 'IF ... maybe' situations.
I haven't NOT YET SEEN ANY EVIDENCE from him or anyone else that their paranoid delusions of anti-white 'racism' (by whites) have ever actually occurred to ANYONE in the real world.
So to me, it is just so much horse-patooty taking up bandwidth, "sound and FURY signifying nothing". biggrin.gif
Well, you want proof? Not going to find it.I asked for evidence, real cases of 'discrimination' against white males by white males.
However, I will relay my "bullshit and unprovable" story. Quick version: I'm 17 in high school. RCMP recruiters come to the "pick a career" day. We have a really good talk and they check what they want to check. It's all good. They want me to sign up immediately after grad (pending marks which were not a problem at all). I decide I want to wait a year or two and work (gotta have beer money).A year and a half later, I go in to see them again cause I'm ready to get a gun. I'm told that Regina isn't taking any more people in. I said "What? I thought they're desperate for new members?". A really nice recruiting officer has a little talk with me and lets me know that there are now "quotas" and I can get in in a heartbeat if I just check "Sex: Other" on the application, but to remember that this is on the permanent personnel record. I tell him "No f*cking chance of that happening!" All he says is "I understand completely".
Affirmative action my ass.
What is 'Sex: Other'?
I thought the issue was quotas for women/'minorities'?
Is this a true story?
If so, that's what I'm interested in hearing.
But I'm sick of lictor biatching about things that 'might' happen.
I would say that they already recruited everyone they needed by the time you applied.
Sh*t happens.
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What I find humourous ... and pathetic at the same time ... is that people like lictor with race-obsession will argue for pages and pages using ONLY hypothetical 'IF ... maybe' situations.
I haven't NOT YET SEEN ANY EVIDENCE from him or anyone else that their paranoid delusions of anti-white 'racism' (by whites) have ever actually occurred to ANYONE in the real world.
So to me, it is just so much horse-patooty taking up bandwidth, "sound and FURY signifying nothing".
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Everything I say is true, sonny. You should know that by now.
It's Ma'am to you ... sonny.
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Packaging is 90% of garbage? You're saying that one measure in California reduced total garbage production by 72%? That can't be right, you must have mixed up some numbers (kinda like with the trillion dollar trust thing). Got any reference?
That being said, reducing excessive packaging is a worthy goal, though I'm not sure that placing the extra burden on retailers would be wise in current economic conditions.
Packaging is a huge issue. Many people leave the extra packaging at the store, to send a message. I think targeting packaging is a good idea, though I haven't seen those figures before.
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The only real advantage is that it utilizes a byproduct of human civilization as its fuel.
Precisely.
We have been told that, in Germany, 57 incinerators are being closed and replaced with plasma gasification so that the gas produced can generate electricity instead of polluting the air we breath.
Plasma can be built for much less cost than incinerators, built in half the time and there is no fly ash to dispose of.
The residue of plasma is a non-leachable solid material that can be moulded into useful materials such as ceramic tile or crushed for road base.
http://www.northumberlandtoday.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1680804
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You show no data, you just make baseless statements. I don't show data either, I don't know if such data even exists, but at least I make a reasoned argument as to what I believe the effects might be, to support my conclusions. You fail to do even that. Does the scenario I paint seem so unrealistic to you? Which part of it do you think couldn't happen? It is in fact happening on a massive scale in North America. There are workers by the thousands or perhaps millions beginning to grow resentful of affirmative action policies. You need only pay attention to news from the US to see that this is the case.
After all these years of whining that it 'might happen if' you can't show evidence that there is even a problem?
Hypothetical whinging is such a waste of time and energy.
Whine about something that is a real problem, eh?
You know ... like world peace or something.
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It is not of importance that one kid has more juice.
It is to them, so parents have to do this all the time, because they poured it wrong.
but don't let the truth interfere with your spinning.
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An assertion without any evidence.
I would contend that a normal individual who has no particular political affiliations or opinions on racial issues would become quite upset if they find out that they got rejected for a job simply because the company had to hire someone of a different skin color to fill a quota. It is quite possible that such an individual may grow resentful, if they are intelligent their resentment would be against the racist policy of affirmative action, if they are less intelligent the resentment would be targeted at members of other races whom affirmative action is aimed to "help". This seems to me inescapable, it is human nature.
If all our policies were "race blind" rather than based on discrimination, people like lictor would have no ammunition, nothing to point to and say that whites are "second class citizens". But as it is, they do, and they have an ever growing audience.
"If if if"
Show me the data.
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I'm well aware of waste to energy technology and also know that absolutely no one will want to have it in their backyard. A waste to energy facility deals with huge amounts of garbage, and thus the whole area around it inevitably becomes dirty. Also, even with the best current technologies to reduce emissions, it still emits a wide range of pollutants. Try to build a waste to energy facility on that same aquifer and the reaction would be no more positive than it was to the dump.
It has a lot of advantages over the coal fired energy plants.
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Discrimination reduces discrimination?
Ya, it's a funny thing ... like when one kid has more juice, and you have to equalize the amounts.
One loses one gains, then equity is restored.
Get over it. You're outnumbered by women and people of colour, and we make the rules now.
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And yet they succeed only in breeding resentment, which will reap a new wave of racism.
Only among those who already indulge.
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The Supreme Court would never in a million years validate a trillion dollar claim for a tiny community in southern ontario. It wouldn't in any way be a 'fair' judgement and the people saying it's going to happen are completely out to lunch.
The judgment isn't in question.
What's in question is what are we going to do about it?
Get angry and nasty (again) like Jerry J?
Riverwind, can you give a link to that case please?
The Supreme Court expects a balancing of the rights and interests of all.
So what do we want our negotiators to do?
Because what they are doing is ... stalling.
That all our negotiators are ever paid to do, I think.
And we pay them millions ... and millions in bureaucracy ... to avoid resolving anything for as long as possible.
Canada evades providing an accounting of Six Nations trust fund.
That's all we pay them for.
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Is the word "incineration" used generically or specifically? I'd attended a seminar several years ago in which an engineering firm an emerging technology that "cooks" the garbage at high temperature. When asked about the garbage being incinerated, he specifically clarified that it was not incineration, that this process did not involve burning. I totally forgot what the process was called. It has no emissions.
As landfills consume for valuable land, costs will eventually skyrocket. Eventually, it would become economical to send our garbage to the sun.
Absolutely. Gasification is one method - From solid to gas.
Like when the wind magically takes away the snowbanks, without puddles.
The gas is cleaned, refined and used to produce energy.
WASTE TO ENERGY technology.
It'll eat our old landfills too.
But the key is what Maude Barlow said:
How can we have no more dump sites? How can we protect the water?”
And soil, and air.
We're there. And about darned time.
Europe is amazed that North America is still burying fuel for clean energy.
One person's trash is another person's energy.
Hey ... we really each need our own gasifier.
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OK, I found reference to what I recall reading ... the US soldier who testified at pre-trial that Omar could not have thrown the grenade. I know there are more thorough reports in the US media because that's where I read it ... will check later.
Doubt cast on Khadr's guilt
JANET HAMLIN/REUTERS/POOL
U.S. soldier's report claims teen was buried under rubble when grenade was thrown
Dec 13, 2008 04:30 AM
Michelle Shephard
National Security Reporter
GUANTANAMO BAY, CUBA–A report provided by a U.S. soldier casts doubt once more on the Pentagon's assertion that Canadian captive Omar Khadr threw a grenade that killed an American soldier.
A military court was told for the first time yesterday that Khadr, then 15, was buried under rubble from a collapsed roof before he was captured, which would suggest he could not have thrown the grenade.
A witness identified as Soldier No. 2 was said to have accidentally stepped on Khadr because he did not see him under the rubble.
The soldier "thought he was standing on a `trap door' because the ground did not seem solid," stated a motion submitted by Khadr's defence lawyers.
He then "bent down to move the brush away to see what was beneath him and discovered that he was standing on a person; and that Mr. Khadr appeared to be `acting dead,'" the motion continued.
That new version of what happened in Afghanistan on July 27, 2002, conflicts with reports from other soldiers who said Khadr was sitting up and conscious when he was shot twice in the back.
http://www.thestar.com/comment/columnists/article/553305
Here's more ...
Note: Facts, testimony and excerpts contained in this summary can be verified in motions
contained in the Legal Filings section of this report.
On July 27, 2002, U.S. forces launched an air attack on a suspected Al Qaeda compound. F-18 fighter jets first fired more than 2,000 rounds on the compound. Two more F-18’s followed, each dropping “pinpoint,” 500-pound bombs. Four Apache helicopters were next, directing at least 150 rounds of cannon fire and 62 Hydra FFAR rockets into the compound.
The Apache helicopters were followed by a pair of A-10s who, according to reports, “expended all of their rockets and gun rounds.” (Estimated to be a minimum of 1,500 rounds of cannon fire and 12 Hydra rockets.)
Grenade launchers and hand thrown grenades were being utilized throughout the firefight. Officer reports indicate that as the firefight was winding down, “rounds and grenades were cooking off” in the compound.
Ground forces moved in to find (according to the original report) at least two survivors. According a U.S. Army officer’s statement, “I remember looking over my right shoulder and seeing (name redacted by government) just waste the guy who was still alive. He was shooting him.”
Another survivor was a 15 year old boy, Omar Khadr, found underneath a pile of rubble, his eyes bleeding from shrapnel, three bullet holes in his back, and a gaping chest wound where witnesses stated, “I could literally see his heart still beating.”
“PV2 had his sites right on him point blank. I was about to tap him on the back and tell him to kill him (Omar), but the SF guys stopped us and told us not to,” stated the same U.S. Army officer.
And so began the legal journey of Omar Khadr, a child actively indoctrinated by his father at the age of 10 and sent into battle at the age of 15. Now 22 years old, he has spent a third of his life in Guantanamo Bay; nearly blind, disabled, interrogated and tortured for six years.
more ... including a photo of Omar Khadr as he was found:
http://www.jlc.org/files/briefs/khadr/Summ...dated_10-24.pdf
The United States of America is the only country in the world to try a child for War Crimes in the modern history of war crimes tribunals.
I think I know why Obama wants to get Omar off his hands without a trial!
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If all we hear about widdle Omar is true then we will have charges- trial - verdict.
There is no need for working ourselves into a knot about his or his Mom's citizenship.
How could it possibly be any other way and still claim we defend our values?
Agreed. Defending Omar's right to due process is defending Canadian values.
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Yeah, you live way up there and like to tell us how great multiculturalism is when you yourself live in an almost entirely white community. Lol, try living in Toronto or surrounding for a while then tell me how great it is being out numbered in your own country.
(Mr Can, you are self-absorbed racist pig. Being 'Christian' is no excuse.
GTF out of this thread please!!)
OH HAPPY DAY
Maude Barlow, the UN's senior adviser on water issues and president of the Council of Canadians, was one of the most vocal critics of Site 41 and called Tuesday's victory a turning point in the movement to protect water.
“Because this was such an intense fight being watched all over the country, I think you're going to see the same debate start happening everywhere. The shift is going to be from councillors searching for the least contentious place to put a dump to saying how can we have no more dump sites? How can we protect the water?” Ms. Barlow said.
YES!! NO MORE LANDFILLS ... ANYWHERE IN CANADA!
Simcoe County Warden Tony Guergis, who had taken much of the flak for supporting the dump site, is now resigned to seeing the project halted forever. He said he can't understand how a site that was approved by the provincial Ministry of the Environment became so contentious.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nation...article1264456/
Ha ha ha ... "can't understand" ... yup, that's true. He's a friggen neanderthal.
His type just became obsolete!
I am so proud of my homies!! The people of Simcoe County ROCK for fighting this dump for 25 years!!
And Oleg, thanks for electronically burning the ears of Council. I'm sure it helped. Your story about your lake was heart-wrenching.
And HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Oh what a happy day!
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BC - is the best friend you could have.. I stand behind him because he is a good man.
Except when he's being an aho.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY OLEG!
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Euro-Canadians have many LESS privileges then minorities- which makes them i,m sorry to say SECOND CLASS citizens... not sure how "dominating we are"if we declare ourselves as loathsome inferiors.
Oh whine whine whine. you poor white boy.
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Gold, impunity, violence in El Salvador
Assassination of anti-mining resistance leader Marcelo Rivera part of terror campaign against activists
A 37-year-old teacher, community center founder, and anti-mining activist is found tortured and assassinated in Northern El Salvador. Authorities, despite all evidence to the contrary, attribute the death to common gang violence. In the following weeks, other critics of mining are victims of death threats, attempted kidnappings and shootings. Communities plunged into fear not seen since the Civil War of the 1980s place the blame on the presence of Pacific Rim, a Canadian gold mining company.
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Activists in El Salvador have come to oppose mining for a variety of reasons, including the lack of democracy in the process, the belief that the 2 percent royalties companies are required to pay under current law is not sufficient, fear of contamination from the liberation of heavy metals like arsenic and lead and the use of cyanide in separating gold from rock, as well as the potential for loss of water access. These serious environmental and public health effects normally occur in the stage of exploitation; however, in 2008, exploratory drilling in Cabañas left numerous community wells without water. José Orlando Amaya, a significant landowner in Cabañas, originally supported Pacific Rim, selling the company the rights to drill on his land. But when his well went dry just days after the drilling began, he quickly changed his tone.
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Since Rivera's assassination in June, the attack on the anti-mining movement has intensified considerably. Death threats have been sent to three journalists at the independent radio station Radio Victoria, and to Antonio Pacheco, president of Cabañas's Association for Economic and Social Development. A local Catholic priest, Father Luis Quintanilla, after receiving numerous death threats on his cell phone, barely escaped an attempted kidnapping by a group of masked and armed men while driving home from a community forum on July 27. These and other victims all have one thing in common: their opposition to mining. And all the death threats have contained the same message: stop your activism, or you'll end up like Marcelo.
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After helping organize three successful highway roadblocks, which stopped Pacific Rim's exploration equipment from entering the community, Rodriguez was attacked with a small machete by his old neighbor and fishing buddy, Óscar Menjivar, severing three of Rodriguez's fingers in the process. Menjivar is known in this small community as a paid promoter of Pacific Rim's mining project and as a close friend of local mayors that support the mining. Rodriguez, who was handcuffed to his hospital bed for two days, believes the authorities acted in favor of the company.
Indigenous Peoples and being pushed off their land by Canadian gold mining companies ... and we will welcome them as refugees ... refugees from Canadian gold mining companies who will be forced to leave their dry wells and dry land and the terrorism of the paid thugs ... and come to Canada.
Now that's some immigration scam!
Now I understand it better. It isn't just that businesses inside Canada can 'order' whatever immigrants they want to employ: Canadian companies operating outside the country can ship out whatever refugees they want to create by whatever foul means they can pay for.
Appears to me.
omigod it's so sick.
Pacific Rim did not respond to repeated interview requests from The Real News, but it should be noted that there's no evidence that the company either ordered or advocated the crimes in question. However, activists in Cabañas claim that Pacific Rim, like mining companies across the globe, shower money on influential community members, politicians, and local elites in return for support for the company's project. This, they say, creates a system of incentives that generates violent conflicts of interest inside poor communities.
Communities become divided between those who fear the environmental and public health effects of mining and those who are in the pay of the company. All this takes place under a legal system that does nothing to deter the resulting acts of violence. Activists in El Salvador refer to this whole phenomenon as social and institutional contamination. Paying people like Óscar Menjivar, they say, is not much of a strain on the company, since the price of a mere ounce of gold, currently around $950, is roughly equal to ten months of income for a rural Salvadoran worker.
Only 17 years ago, El Salvador emerged from a civil war that claimed over 75,000 lives. At the end of that war, a UN truth commission found that right-wing death squads and government forces, largely trained and funded by the US, were responsible for 85 percent of the humans rights abuses. The Government responded five days later by passing a general amnesty law for all crimes committed during the war. The majority of the crimes in question, including rapes, massacres, and targeted disappearances, were committed on civilians, making efforts at community organization almost impossible. Many in El Salvador believe it is precisely this culture of impunity for the powerful sectors, exemplified in the general amnesty law, which permits the violence and fear that organizers continue to live with today.
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=...13+02%3A14%3A31
So ... we'll soon have another wave of refugees from El Salvador, in the 1980's running from US 'intervention', now running from Canadian interference in their lives.
So that's how it works.
I can certainly see where the need for Bill C-300 comes from:
Bill C-300 – Corporate Accountability for the Activities of Mining, Oil or Gas Corporations in Developing Countries
Bill C-300, An Act Respecting Corporate Accountability for the Activities of Mining, Oil or Gas Corporations in Developing Countries, represents the best chance we have as Canadians to assure that Canadian extractive companies adhere to human rights and environmental best practices when they operate overseas. It also represents our best chance to assure the accountability of our government to us, as taxpayers and citizens, by assuring that government financial and political support will not be provided to companies that breach human rights and environmental standards. Learn more about C-300 and how you can take action on this critical issue.
http://www.miningwatch.ca/index.php?/corpo...s/bill_c300_csr
And of course ... Pacific Rim is a paragon of virtue ... in its own eyes:
http://www.pacrim-mining.com/s/Home.asp
Pacific Rim is a growth-oriented, revenue-generating, environmentally and socially responsible gold exploration company with operations in North America and exploration assets in Central and South America. The Company is expanding and developing its advanced-stage, high-grade El Dorado gold project in El Salvador...
Mining is a dirty business ... one that many people do not survive ... if they oppose it.
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http://www.sixnations.ca/LandsResources/CrownTrusteeship.htm
So how exactly did a trust that no one was supposed to touch end up so depleted.
Were the hell did the money go? who is gonna to pay for this? and how much is 900,000 acres of land worth plus interest?
Over a trillion.
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LICTOR616 ... and we're all aware (although many of us refuse to admit it) that certainly types and degrees of intelligence do seem to follow geographical racial lines.MELANIE
The article on children with the amino acid deficiency does not say anything about race, other than that the children studied were all of Asian descent. And the whole thing is a red herring, because the condition exists across all racial groups.
As for IQ differences, this is a field of huge controversy and speculation. Traditional IQ tests were heavily biased, and as far as I know there still is no clear way to objectively measure intelligence. I'm willing to read any supporting evidence you have that there are objective, quantifiable differences in intelligence that are linked specifically to race, though. (But not until tomorrow. I'm off to bed now.)
Ya, he won't find any "objective quantifiable" evidence that can stand up.
DEGREES OF INTELLIGENCE - NO. There is no evidence of cultural/racial differences in degrees of "intelligence" overall (on average). Intelligence tests are language/cultural/environment bound, so you can't compare across languages/cultures -
Can't give us all the same test.
Even in assessing school achievement there are language/cultural challenges: Math problems, for example, are culturally bound. English ones are not relevant for Francophone and First Nations students. Even in English, rural contexts are different than city ones.
There is no such thing as a "culture fair test".
TYPES OF INTELLIGENCE - YES. There are cultural differences, but it often has to do with acculturation as well as genetics. The range of abilities is the same, and we all possess all of the intelligences. But some Peoples are more specialized for some intelligences.
Multiple Intelligences, Culture and Equitable Learning.
by Judith C. Reiff
http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst;j...ocId=5002242396
"Knowing that a relationship exists between cultures and education is a prerequisite to effective teaching, but continuing to teach with styles and strategies appropriate only for middle-class Anglo learners fails to meet the needs of culturally diverse children and adolescents" (Baruth & Manning, 1992, p. 332).
Instruction and assessment strategies that promote educational equity should reflect research on how multiple intelligences, as well as cultural backgrounds, affect young adolescents' learning. Educators often expect all learners to assimilate middle-class, Anglo American perspectives. This "culturally assaultive" perspective can adversely affect young adolescents' development, academic achievement and overall school progress. Educators can promote educational equity practices by addressing both students' multiple intelligences and cultural influences on learning.
Easier said than done.
IE, Our Eurocentric education system doesn't adequately address all intelligences, only its own specializations - linguistic/logic/sequential/mathematical, but not visual/spatial/holistic/kinesthetic.
Point being ... two people seeing the same movie will perceive it somewhat differently, depending on personal characteristics which may be genetic or environmental. There are individual differences ... vive les differences! ... a boring world it would be without them ... and some people have differences in different ways than others and sometimes it's genetically/culturally bound. WhoopdeToot!
'Equal' does not mean 'same'.
And different does not mean "by degrees".
I wear a big red shirt you wear a small black one.
Which is 'better'?
Depends who's choosing and for what.
lictorPerhaps the onus should be placed on you (or likeminded individuals) to explain how IQ difference between Asians, Nordics, and African Americans could NOT affect the Western world in the future. I'm not saying that certain races are completely unassimilable, nor am I saying that pro-diversity policies are necessarily bad. I do wonder, however, why nobody ever even is allowed to consider these issues openly.
Glad to oblige!
I certainly have more common culture with other Canadians, regardless of race, than I do with my race.
Sh*t, mon! Shoot da puck, eh! It's beer time!
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I mean its very maddening for me to say something like: "Look, the government enforces racial quotas with its program of affirmative action and preferential treatment of minorities... here's the evidence "exhibit A: the charter of rights and freedoms describing the right to institutional racism, and exhibit B: accounts of workplaces admitting they hire ONLY minorities"
psst! lictor!
Those workplaces hire ONLY minorities for bu$iness rea$ons.
It has absolutely nothing to do with government 'enforcing' "racial quotas":
The government brings in whomever the business community wants.
Can you give me an example that says different?
It's always a bit embarrassing (for you) when you whine about being discriminated against. I mean, it is true that some white men of limited ability/persistence have less employment satisfaction than in previous generations, but hey!
That's the merit system.
Afterall, the pie is only so big.
I've heard it said "You just don't get really good nurses like we used to have!"
The reply was "That's because they're all doctors now."
Too true.
And for you and some others ... too bad so sad.
Here's a quarter ...
What Should be an Example for Quebec
in Federal Politics in Canada
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And why are two yanks posting in the Canada section and trying to stir up that boneheaded 'manifest destiny' crapola again?