charter.rights

If you can find the receipts for land I would like to see them.... You see they don't exist. There were no purchase, no surrenders, no gifts of land anywhere in Canada. There are some treaties, but treaties did not surrender land. They only surrender a First Nations' rights to a particular territory, while preserving some rights on the land perpetually. In the case of southern Ontario, it was well recognized in 1763 as Six Nations territory. There has never in the history of contact ever been a surrender, sale or lease agreement for this entire territory with Six Nations. Six Nations has not surrendered their rights or their territory. So you see here in S.O. you are living on their land. Cut and dried. Seal and sent.

They have the option of not visiting the country that refuses their passport.

When we steal their land, pollute their water and ignore their plights, then we assume the responsibility for their situation and are obligated for their perpetual care. What about their trust fund money. Would you be willing to forgo new arenas, repairs to roads and degraded hospitals to give Six Nations their own money to take care of these things?

You don't understand how the justice system works. Judges are not represented to defend OUR interests. They are appointed by the Crown, to defend the Crown's interests. Statistically, incarceration only works about 20% of the time. More jail time isn't the answer. So I'll go back to a premise that I made a while ago- that crime is a sickness - a departure from good mindedness and from good moral decisions. Sometimes it is from stupidity or by error and that would warrant minor sentences or alternative measures. But those that are sick need to be treated for their sickness. Sometimes that is impossible and long-term incarceration is warranted. However many can be cured since this type of insanity is often only temporary and treatable with pharmaceuticals or therapy. Justice is ensuring that society is restored as if the crime never occurred. However, our systems does not do that. It isolates the offender from the victim and shelters him or her from the court. It puts their lives on hold and ignores restoration to the victim. Thus when an offender is incarcerated they have to wait out their future and most likely while in prison learn to become better criminals or to make affiliations with gangs that will protect and shelter their crime from punishment. Our current system is broken and taking away discretionary authority from judges and courts will not make it better. Rather you extreme right wing mentality only serves to make it worse. You can blame yourself for the state of sentencing and repeat offenders. You attitudes are what is causing it.

Status cards only provide exemption from income earned on reserve, or goods delivered to the reserve. All the rest of taxes have to be paid just like we all do.Plus native owned corporations pay corporate and excise taxes whether they are on or off reserve, or if a native business is located on reserve and performs the work off reserve they are also subject to taxation. 80% of First Nations people live off reserve and their goods and services and incomes are taxed equally. There is no doubt they pay their way, but receive little in return.

You are grossly out of touch. The inequity is evident and you still say, "its their own fault". "What an ultra-maroon..." Bugs Bunny. Those who are on reserve ARE professionals in all facets of society - architects, engineers, lawyers, even doctors and teachers. But they suffer from the same problem we all suffer from in any Canadian town or city - capital funding. For major infrastructure capital funding from major sources are required. The province supplies most of that capital, including water plants and schools on either a grant system or a combination of grants and long-term debentures. First Nations do not have that luxury and every request must go through Indian Affairs who are real quick to drag their feet and turn it into a major long-term bureaucracy. The solutions for water and sanitation problems have been offered by "the professionals" but promptly ignored by the government because they were not "their consultants". There is no way that a community with a median wage below the poverty level can obtain loans or fund such projects by themselves - and that goes for any small community like Caledonia, or St Thomas. So they make requests for funding get approved because there is a need, and build what they can paying back what they can. That is normal procedure for any city or town in Canada. Now here is something useful you should know. This year Six Nations announced a new water plant. It took over 12 years to identify the need, obtain funding and get approvals. I'm not sure if they are even building yet. On the other hand, the town of Picton, Ontario also received federal infrastructure moneys to build a new water treatment plant. They had identified their needs in 2007 and gained approval in 2008 and are now under construction. Can you not see the disparity in all of this? What is really comical is that the federal government holds a Six Nation trust account that earns anywhere from $1 billion to $8 billion a year in interest alone that they cannot have access to. Where is THEIR money? Why isn't the government letting them have access to their own accounts? Or did Stephen Harper spend this years interest on his G20 party last month?

Get and Haudenosaunee passport instead. After we Ontarians are all living on their land.

What makes you think that native people do not pay taxes, when 80% or natives live off reserves and native corporations and off-reserve business pay as much as Canadian corporations? Are you that detached from the world?

Oh Bill you are so inadequate. Reverse osmosis does not remove heavy metals and industrial pollutants...you know the type of effluent stream that comes out of a DUMP! which is not even under their control! Where do you think the funding comes for water treatment plant in Brantford? From your property taxes? ha ha ha ha ha. It is funded through public infrastructure budgets allotted by the federal and provincial governments - paid by all taxpayers. Need I remind you that Six Nations and other native people put far more into the Canadian economy and tax base then they receive. Or do you believe in inequality as you demonstrate?

I have defended the Charter of Rights and the Constitution, dolt. You are the one void of understanding.

The Iroquois Nationals have traveled for many years to many tournaments on Haudenosaunee passports to Great Britain. This arose because the US made a stink about not allowing them back in, all the while Homeland Security is in the process of accepting a modified Secure Haudenosaunee Passport. I suspect that this is more about some dumb bureaucrats personal vendetta than it is about international security.

So who do you ~think~ designs those flawed sanitary and water systems, WB? It sure isn't the native people themselves even though there are many professionals capable of doing the design and construction. On one reserve (this is one example of many) I work with, the Band Council has been trying for 15 years to get approval for funding for a new water treatment plant. The first 8 or so years they were ignored. The government then commissioned a $7 million consultant to "study" the problem. After 5 years of ignoring the findings and recommendations, the government requested that another $15 million study be commissioned in order to include the moist advanced technology possible to deal with the problems. The consultants report recommended a $100 million plant using technology that has never been tried anywhere else in the world. It is an experiment on First Nation children and old people. However, the estimated $100 million price tag does not include hooking up the water supply to houses - that had to be born by the Band. But then the icing: there is no funding available this year or next for such a large capital project. Meanwhile 60% of the households have non-potable water piped from wells that were contaminated from an off-reserve garbage dump, and accelerated by off-reserve gravel pits and quarries. So who is to blame Bill? The natives for not taking control of their own lives? Hmmmm? And BTW. The money for all the consultants and the cost of the capital project all comes out of the INAC budget. There are billions of dollars that do not directly benefit First Nations in the INAC budgets.

You can't refute it because you don't know it, or don't believe it, which ever is your bi-sexual orientation....

No. The Europeans were in the "septic disease and torture your neighbour" age. Oh and by the way. Archaeology has revealed that native people were smelting and working non-ferrous metals more than 5000-1000 years before Europeans stole the technology. And without the Asian victims we would have never developed the technology for gunpowder. Although I do know we had a penchant for cooking women over an open fire in the belief they could place a magic spell over our grand daddy. Might have something to do with being retarded drunks......

You don't have the capacity to even know what the law is, let alone pass judgment on any judge doing his job under the law. Sorry, you are not smart enough to second-guess court decisions. (And you do realize that a stay is not a dismissal of the charges? Think about that the next time you want to lead a brigade into the firing line...)

Oh you are reading and imagining into this more than you realize. The rest of your post was ad hominem nonsense, so there was no point in responding. Otherwise you might just believe that your sophomoric fantasies are real.

"....responsibilities and limitations of governments." Argus, Thanks for reinforcing my and badactor's point. Just for reference I said: "It is to control the actions of government and prevent tyranny against the people." (I think that means responsibilities and limitations) And badactor said: "...the constitution to be the kind of document that would prevent the mistreatment of a people by their government, in a nut shell a document that would restrict the actions of government." (I think this means responsibilities and limitations too...) So in essence it appears that putting your silly hatred for me aside for a moment, you agree with me.

I agree. And since it is illegal in international law to disenfranchise a nation of people without their permission, then quickly recognizing their Haudenosaunee Confederacy passports is the only course of action. In fact the Queen just did recognize their sovereignty a couple of Sundays ago by presenting mementos on the anniversary of the original treaty between two sovereign nations - the Silver Covenant Chain Treaty - A Treaty of Peace, Goodwill and Friendship.... So the rest should be a breeze.

Maybe if the government spent more time upholding our end of the treaties there would be lots of land to share.

Seat belts and baby seats are mandated by the government because parents didn't have the resources to fully protect their children. That is government's role. To intervene when it becomes a national problem. Children drowning IS a national problem today, so government has the responsibility to find a solution. That does not necessarily mean the government has to provide swimming lessons, but education and promotion of child safety around water might be one step. Then if that doesn't work, we could always mandate swimming lessons and offer subsidy for lower income families. I would have to dumb down before I reached your level of intelligence and literacy, so thanks again for the offer, but I prefer to hang around with far more intelligent people.

Yes, thats true about not having any land. But wrong about asserting that we live in an absolute monarchy.

Yup you are ignorant too about natives and the history of Canada.

Nope. You said: "Nonsense. There might have been people from other nations but Canada was English " And where do you think all those French Natives, Slovaks etc...went? Did they just "poof" disappear? Not on your life. The Victorians (and we are talking post confederation) deliberately changed history and the culture to exclude all of those ethnic groups, in order to remove their power and authority.

Right and Europeans would still be pissing and shitting in their drinking water - oh wait....they still are....and bathing once a year...damn if not for the native's variety of good foods, sense of hygiene, civil order and good government, Europeans would still be living in stinking aristocracies eating rotting cabbages and drinking beer because their water was poison. Damn the indians sure got it good from us, right?

Either you don't know our history, or you are being deliberately obtuse. Upper and Lower Canada (read Ontario and Quebec) was predominantly Native and French until after the Loyalists fled from the United States. The west was populated and expanded by Solvaks, Polish, Jewish, Ukrainians, Russians and later Asians. We could go on and on. The idea that there were only English in Canada is a myth perpetuated by the Victorians and later the Conservatives that wanted to exploit Canada and its resources for their own personal gain.