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Hmmm, 17 votes for the Donald. Anyone going to delete their vote and change to Hillary prior to the election? Or are the 17 votes here the ones who would be okay if Trump shot someone?

But Trump needs to gain voters and he has no traction. He is facing greater than 2 to 1 odds of losing right now so he is going backwards. Sad!

I use the method as a demonstration to show why it is a poor way to argue. That is, I use it sarcastically or ironically.

Exactly!

Yes, and if enough people in Iran stood up for women's rights then chess masters could go to Iran without having to wear ninja pjs.

Full blown Minority Report here or what?

Oh good, more use of fallacious argumentative methods! I am looking forward to you respecting Islam since they have the most adherents in the world.

Yes we are! But some, looking at you France, are putting up a fine challenge.

For some it may be a mountain. For others it may be a molehill. As already stated, women don't get to do things like comfortably walk in a park alone at night in Canada which, imo, is a bigger issue as compared to the "humiliation" of respecting another culture's practice.

I'm sure we can find radical opinions for many things. Doesn't mean they are worth discussing since they are so clearly absurd as to make them only acceptable to radical people.

Yes, I'm sure these people have all kinds of opinions that range from yours to mine to any Muslim's who think too bad, shut up, women should not be playing chess because it's a man's game. I have never claimed to speak for any of them. So, meh.

It is meh worthy. I suppose that is less than "meh" worthy though since it didn't get it's own thread? I disagree with forcing them to wear a bikini but I think "we" are better than "them" because we allow the freedom to wear clothing on a reasonable basis (even here we do not have complete freedom is what I'm saying).

I did not know you were a grand chess master and, therefore, the right kind of person to make such statements.....

Part of being a human is tolerating other cultural practices. Being "forced" to tolerate them because the Chess Association has thrust Iran on them is "meh" worthy because it is a trivial annoyance. Yes, it is not right. No, it is not worth the gnashing of teeth.

Meh really bugs you huh? Well, M - E - H .... MEH! My mehs here, however, are really about what a petty little issue this is. You want to use it to hit people over the head as to how bad Iran is etc etc.. Well, we know they are bad. This is hardly the reason I think they are bad - bring up something more substantive such as the professor lady recently released from their jail for being "feminist" in her views. But oh no, can't have people putting on ninja pjs and enjoying competing in a chess tournament while they are irked at wearing said ninja pjs.

Oh, sorry, did not realize that this thread is only open to world class socially awkward geniuses. I will stop posting now since I have put up absolutely no substance to my opinions that you happen to disagree with....

Having said that - sure, I would prefer that countries like Iran/China/UAE/Brazil etc not be chosen for these types of events on grounds of corruption and/or backwards cultural practices. Just like I have no problem with the NCAA boycotting North Carolina for transgender legislation reasons.

In Canada dressing a certain way isn't necessary. When in Iran it is. Either choose to go and dress that way or choose one of the other options I have already suggested. Or don't go. That's a choice too. For some people, the benefits of playing chess in Iran, meeting entirely new people and seeing first hand their culture, is worth the inconvenience of wearing ninja pjs. For others, it's not. If my wife were in this she would go. We would both be annoyed at Iran's oppressive rules but we would live with them because the benefits, to us, far outweigh whatever political point we think would be made by staying at home.

Nice use of the logical fallacy called "appeal to the masses" or argumentum ad populum.

Agreed, it is a complicated issue. But one that time will resolve - if only because eventually the child bride comes of age. So, make them wait. And. Wait. For. It. Meh!

Pretty sure I have made clear throughout my posts that my speculations are speculations and that it is implicit that my opinions are opinions. Also pretty sure I know how I think about it and have a good idea as to how my wife thinks about it too since I can actually ask her. My wife, for example, resents the fact that I can go run in the park at 9pm when it is dark out. She resents my male privilege of cutting through certain trails in and around town that I can do since I am male, and safe, whereas she is female and must consider the risk more acutely. So, no, being forced to wear ninja pjs for the privilege of experiencing another culture would be par for the course for her and any woman. Is it right? No. of course not. Do I like it? No, of course not. Do I think I can change Iran and make it into a secular democracy? No, of course not. Just glad I do live in one and have the ability to make more choices than other people. Oh, and one other thing - why would you not want to see Iran? Sure, I would love the regime to loosen up, and assuming they did, what's not to love about a country with the history that Iran has? The people look awesome (except for the few authoritarians) , the food looks great, the archaeology is exciting - give your head a shake man. Events have been and will be held in all kinds of countries with links to corruption and for a variety of good and bad reasons. So, yeah, meh. The evidence we have is that there was a chess event held in Iran and that drew the ire of players and multiple players oppose the idea. We also see the the governing body is facing corruption allegations involving Syria. We have a Soccer World Cup that apparently is going to be held in Qatar, because corruption. Would the same corrupt body hold a Women's World Cup in a Muslim nations? and would dress restrictions there be similarly seen as "petty" or "meh"?

I like how you suddenly care now that people have to respect the notion of "when in Rome...."