jennie

According to those younger and in the know, the policy that the economy drives everything including social justice is a neo-liberal policy, a la Paul Martin.

What is your understanding of the citizenship status of Aboriginal people? I am curious because I often hear these allegations that they should be treated the same as any other Canadian and yet no one can establish that in fact they are Canadian citizens. In fact, it is very murky. Until this can be cleared up, I don't think we can criticize anyone for following their own laws, especially when our governments don't even follow our own laws. McGuinty maintains it is a 'federal matter' but he neglects to mention the province's legal "duty to consult" about uses of disputed lands.

They do not have access to the records nor to DNA testing. They will not 'dig up' bodies if they cannot identify them. Why is it so difficult to believe that the government would not cooperate with them? Do you really think the government is going to HELP expose the horrific death rates in the residential schools?

Not because I say so ... here is the media release ... or part of it. Ori:wase : Media Release : Communiqué: For Immediate Release Sept.,10, 2007 Confederacy Haudenosaunee Development Institute under way GRAND RIVER TERRITORY SIX NATIONS- Six Nations Confederacy Council ‘s Haudenosaunee Development Institute has begun meetings with area developers involved in projects along the Grand River, within the Haldimand Tract, including positive discussions Monday with Brantford developer Mike Quattrociocchi. Institute spokesman, Aaron Detlor said the meeting with the Mr. Quattrociocchi went well. “ We are working with Mr. Quattrociocchi on his project. We recognize that compared to some of the other developers we are meeting with, he is a smaller scale developer who’s livelihood may be at risk so we will work as quickly as possible to try to resolve his issues.” The Haudenosaunee Development Institute protocol was adopted at a recent Confederacy council meeting. The organization oversees development of Six Nations lands and resources within the Haldimand Tract, an area six miles on either side of the Grand River from its mouth to its source. http://www.reclamationinfo.com/phpBB2/view...p?p=33947#33947

http://www.mohawknationnews.com/news/singl.../news/news4.php To support our position, we recently had one of the major developers in Southern Ontario present to the Crown their findings on the research that we asked them to do. They were asked to research the title to the land which they now have in their possession and that they are currently considering for development. These lands are within the Haldimand Tract, currently part of Brantford, and the result of their research is similar to that of the lands in Haldimand. The Crown unilaterally issued patents, in this case, in 1853; and there is a huge gap as to how it went from Six Nations to the Crown. The gap is there because there is nothing that exists to show that we relinquished it. There was no surrender, there was no sale. These lands were intended for the purpose of leasing only and throughout the Grand River tract, you will find this practice of the Crown over and over again. In fact, at a recent speaking engagement, I encouraged everyone living within the Haldimand Tract to do their own title searches on their property, and find out exactly how these lands came into their possession. I am confident that they will come back with the same results - the Crown unilaterally issued patents without authority and without sanctioning. Those individuals have been defrauded by the Crown just as much as the Six Nations has. Today they continue to be defrauded because they are paying the taxes on those lands, taxes that Canada has no authority to levy. While the 'Crown' maintains that there were valid surrenders, no such surrender was ever lodged on the title, and they have not yet produced any evidence of valid surrender despite repeated claims.

The review processes now used by HDA have been developed over the course of this year. The Haudenosaunee Development Authority was only recently named and announced, but the work behind it has been in progress for many months.

Once again we must answer ... no one is going to start randomly digging up graves until the records are searched to indicate who the children are. The point of exhuming would be to identify the children's remains and return them to their families. Thus, such efforts require government and church cooperation. The government has refused to acknowledge that children died in the schools until recently. Those efforts, thus, are just beginning.

I think it may be getting that way in the Haldimand Tract, where developers have searched title and found no documents of transfer from Six Nations to the Crown. They readily admit their titles are not clear.

The government is only now listening to the demands because the question was finally raised in the commons and by media. The Truth and Reconciliation Commission is looking into any records of deaths in the schools, hopefully to see if their burial places can be identified. Children died in the schools, over decades and decades. There are graveyards. The issue is can they identify the children in those graves. They can't just go digging them up without knowing who they should go home with. And indications or records of how they died will be searched for as well. As for modern genocide, the government approves resource extraction operations knowing that the operations will destroy natural habitat and poison the water, destroying traditional aboriginal ways of life with no payback, and in some cases taking a horrendous toll on their lives. Clearcut defiance The Ojibway of Grassy Narrows, Ontario, stand up to Montreal-based pulp and paper monolith Abitibi-Consolidated by KEN HECHTMAN Looking at dead forests is like looking at dead people. Photographs just don't have the same impact as the real thing. There are dozens of clearcuts in the treaty lands around the northern Ontario Ojibway community of Grassy Narrows, but there's one they call "the clearcut." It's 166 square kilometres of moonscape, bigger than all of downtown Montreal and pockmarked with burn sites. Native activist Lucille McKenzie explains what those are. "After the loggers finish cutting, they won't let us pick up the scrap wood to heat our houses, not unless we buy it from Abitibi-Consolidated. We won't pay Abitibi for our own wood so they burn it all here on the site." As bad as the land looks, Abitibi isn't finished here yet. Trapper Don Billard explains what comes next. "The year after they cut, they come back and plough the land up, getting rid of all the other plants. The year after, they spray Vision (Monsanto's new trade name for glyphosate, formerly known as Roundup) from the air to make sure nothing ever grows back." (This is done to ensure a monoculture of trees they can later harvest.) http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/200...2703/news3.html After ignoring their blockade for five years, the province finally agreed to send some Ministry people to talk to them this week. Health Canada muzzles oilsands whistleblower AB physician sounded cancer alarm, slapped with College complaint By Peter Woodford Elevated cancer rates in Fort Chipewyan support Dr O'Connor's claim From Fort Chipewyan Health Data Analysis by Alberta Health & Wellness and Alberta Cancer Board, April 2006 A northern Alberta physician who publicly aired concerns over carcinogenic pollution from the massive oilsands development is being investigated by the province's College of Physicians and Surgeons. The complaint against him comes from none other than Health Canada, which claims the physician caused "undue alarm." The doc — widely held to be Dr John O'Connor of Fort Chipewyan — says he's got a hunch the copious amounts of arsenic dumped into the water by the project might explain why so many of his mostly aboriginal patients are presenting with cancer — including rarer forms like cholangiocarcinoma (bile duct cancer). http://www.nationalreviewofmedicine.com/is...olitics1_6.html Update on this ... it is the uranium mine dumping into Lake Athabasca further north that causes the cancer. Dr. O'Connor was cleared by the College of Physicians and Surgeons, and his work was verified. There is a serious industrial disease killing people in Fort Chippewyan, and Health Canada tried to cover it up. It is still unlikely that much will be done by the government. They just ignore. One could argue that these are 'accidents'. Strange that we have a 500 year history of such 'accidents'.

It makes absolutely no difference to me ... one neo-liberal, another neo-liberal or a third neo-liberal ... all the same no matter what colour their lawn signs are.

If it is illegal, why isn't the province doing something about it? The Confederacy is operating with legal advice. The agreements made with developers are made by their lawyer. It is not illegal ... the Crown never did have legal title to the Haldimand Tract and still doesn't. Our governments just don't want to tell us the truth.

The truth is its the uniforms, see. A small woman has to have small breasts, a medium woman medium breasts and a large woman large breasts to fit the uniforms. Being the armed forces where everything is standardized, the non-standard women have to change. Small and medium women with big breasts get reductions to the approporate size for their uniforms, and medium and large women with small breasts get implants. Simple.

Proper translation: The Province of Ontario has left the developers hanging out to dry without clear title to the land, and without guarantee of title. The Province knows there is nothing it can do: The provincial registry contains no document of transfer of land from Six Nations to the Crown. NONE ... anywhere in the Haldimand Tract. The developers know their titles are not clear. They are willingly doing business with the Confederacy, except a couple of local shoestring operations who are a bit belligerent. That is to be expected.

That is quite significant isn't it! It does not bode well for the Conservatives for an election this fall.

/drift Because Six Nations is not trying to throw anyone off the land they are living on, but only to stop new development that impinges on their territory and threatens the environment. They are willing to live together in peace. If the Israelis treated the Palestinians with the same respect as Six Nations treats us, I would support them too, but they don't. But the topic of this thread is aboriginal occupations and barricades in ONTARIO. Can you name them all? There are six to my knowledge. Do you know what the issues are for each? Do you know who is in a position to resolve the issues ... but doesn't? Do you know why?

Six Nations Confederacy has asserted jurisdiction over land use in the Haldimand Tract. That is the truth. All developments must be approved by the Haudenosaunee Development Authority. Development fees apply.

Is there not room for everyone? And how does that apply to Canada? It doesn't.

Ignore as you like, the truth still exists. Canada stole the land and doesn't want to give it back, as required by law. That is definitive of an oppressive tyranny, one that evades even its own laws in order to oppress the rights of a significant minority that can potentially disrupt its power and economy. Canada is running scared, and it is not a pretty sight.

Ask me a question that has something to do with something I have said and I will answer. You are demanding that I defend something I never said. Indigenous Peoples in Canada and Palestinians just want to continue living in peace where they have been living for centuries. It is only a problem because someone else wants their land.

The Six Nations Confederacy has asserted its jurisdiction in the Haldimand Tract. They are implementing their laws in their territory. The province has a legal right, even a responsibility, to involve itself in consultations about land in dispute. For its own reasons, the province has remained out of the picture allowing Six Nations to follow through on its own sovereignty initiatives. This is because the Crown knows that Six Nations is a sovereign nation that never surrendered. As such, they have a right to defend their territory, with arms if necessary, though that is not their choice. They do not threaten violence. They simply do not allow anyone on the site. No violence is necessary, unless someone attacks them. Your example is a bit distorted: It is Canada trying to assert sovereignty over Six Nations that is like China and Taiwan. Everybody knows it isn't true, but Canada pretends it has sovereignty over sovereign nations that existed long before Canada did.

Six Nations Confederacy operates under its own laws. One of their laws is that they must not engage in the legal or political systems of other nations. They are forced into our courts at times, but they have their own ways of implementing their own laws and they do not use our courts for that. They do not threaten violence. They simply shut the site down to enforce their laws on their territory. They are often threatened with violence though. The easy legal way for our governments to deal with this is to consult with them about use of land in dispute. The province is legally supposed to. Where are they?

Particularly troubling is the "right to self-determination" in article 3. Notwithstanding last-minute changes to the declaration that purport to protect the territorial integrity of existing states, could this phrase go beyond encouraging legitimate aspirations for native self-government and empower full-blown secessionist movements? If people are being oppressed by a dominant country, they have every right to seek freedom from that country. Disagreeing with self-determination is disagreeing with freedom itself, and consigning some peoples forever to repressive domination. Canada is wrong wrong wrong to try to FORCE Indigenous Peoples to endure the domination of the racist Indian Act and second class 'citizenship', land theft and fraud, and the genocide of the residential schools and the ongoing genocide for land. It is not at all surprising that Canada defends its right to oppress Indigenous Peoples and steal their land: Canada is an oppressive tyranny.

Ah again you miss my point ... You are free to offend the female half of the population if you wish ... so long as you never have any desire for female company.

Oh my glorious point was missed again!!! jbg ... there were no women in that group, and you dismiss any need for change to the makeup. So my suggestion to you was ... no women allowed ... makes a boy lonely. Dis the women, you are the lonely number. I guess it was too subtle when you were busy dis'ing everyone, to point out that more than half the population is not represented.