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Yep, attack the messenger. Good work.

I agree. I was a devout Catholic and I definitely changed my attitude and worldview to one of a more tolerant and accepting belief. In a sense I outgrew organized religion and I haven't been happier. Something I do remember of the NT is to love your neighbour, and that includes gays.

You mean the truth according to ScottSA

You're denying that the Crusades were a holy war? Let's see. From Wikipedia: Pope sanctions most crusades in the name of Christendom. Purpose is recapture Jerusalem from the Muslims. The origin of the Crusades is directly traceable to the moral and political condition of Western Christendom in the eleventh century. At that time Europe was divided into numerous states whose sovereigns were absorbed in tedious and petty territorial disputes while the emperor, in theory the temporal head of Christendom, was wasting his strength in the quarrel over Investitures. The popes alone had maintained a just estimate of Christian unity; they realized to what extent the interests of Europe were threatened by the Byzantine Empire and the Mohammedan tribes, and they alone had a foreign policy whose traditions were formed under Leo IX and Gregory VII. The reform effected in the Church and the papacy through the influence of the monks of Cluny had increased the prestige of the Roman pontiff in the eyes of all Christian nations; hence none but the pope could inaugurate the international movement that culminated in the Crusades. link

I bring Bush into the equation as he is a self-professed born again Christian, who started a war. I admit it's a bit of a stretch, but he tosses God around a lot. At the very least he is a complete liar/hypocrite, and Iraq, because of the invasion has cost the lives of many innocents. Plus there is that one quote floating around where he said God told him to invade. link

Are you denying the Crusades, the Inquisition, the IRA, abortion doctor killings? How about a born again Christian, let's call him George, leading an illegal invasion of a country on a lie? People have died in the name of God throughout history. The problem of many Christians is that they don't follow their leader's example. I'm not down on religion; I'm down on hypocrisy. And that is rampant in many Christian organizations. And all the intolerance from the religious right has created the attitudes most Christians have against gays. There, rant done.

Seems Carlin may have hit a nerve Scotty. But he does make a lot of valid points though.

I could say the same of you. We've had the NT for 2000 years and we have more unrest than ever. The things done in the name of God has cost the lives of countless thousands. Being open to tolerance does not equate to having a clouded mind. Quite the opposite. I accept all religions. Can you say the same?

Seems to me old Gordie musta had things mixed up then when he said this back in 2006: "Canada is not at war in Afghanistan"... link Just where is the official declaration of war anyway. Does anyone have a link?

Reported.

You lost credibilty at that point. Insults only show ignorance.

And you made my point.

You're the one who went off on a hate Gore tangent.

I was responding to a comment previously made.

This can't be a very serious topic for you if you're unwilling to read a bit of information. Sorry for having provided the proof.

That goes to show how scriptures can be twisted and manipulated. The Christian right does it all the time.

So true. I'm a recovering Catholic and I can't tell you how many Parishes I've seen shut down over the past few years. It can only get worse.

And yet Jesus said not a word on the topic. In fact, he might have supported it given these scriptures: From John: "There was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved." 13:23-25 "The disciple standing by, whom he loved" 19:26 "The disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper" 21:20 I believe it was the intolerant Paul who appears to be the biggest opponent to homosexuality. And once again we are trying to resolve 21st Century issues with a 2000+ year old book.

Cite??

And yet you seem to ignore the hundreds of scientists and climatologists who attended the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 2007 to confirm man is indeed at the root of climate change now and in the future (barring any radical change in our CO2 emissions. link

Perhaps contentious, but nonetheless germane as a genuine gnostic document. I rather think it is more convincing than some of the gospels that tend to copy each other on many different occasions. Thomas appears independent from the synoptics, thus granting a little more credence to his authenticity, and perhaps the real words of Jesus. Just because the Nag Hammadi stands alone as perceived heresy, does not make their writings any less valid. "Inspiration from God" and politics have unfortunatley been used as justification for biblical inclusion.

The highest rate I've found on the net is around 35%. I wouldn't consider that "generally homosexual."

Don't confuse knowledge with rants.

Hmm, pontificating about things he knows nothing about. What an ass. Would you like a mirror?

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