ScottSA

Damn good point. Thank-you. It's just unfortunate that the question will fall on deaf ears. Actually, most heterosexuals couldn't care less whether fags convert. Most of us would just like fags to shut up about it already. No one is going after homosexuals...homosexuals are coming after us and our institutions and our approval. I for one would never say another word about faggotry if I didn't have it shoved in my face on a daily basis.

Hahahaha...good acid, man?

...by trucks in the night. And hung up with piano wire. But only after being beaten with rubber hoses and sent to Syria. Oh, wait, that was the Liberals...

Hogwash. If it were McCarthyism, or anything like it, they'd be hauling in Muslims and plaguing them because they are Muslims. I wish...

But it's also true that sending up fighter planes wouldn't stop the London Blitz, or that bombing Dresden wouldn't stop V2 rockets, but if one were to look at the bigger picture, as you so ironically put it, those are battles in a much larger war. What you are in effect saying is that if we suffer any casualties at all, we might as well not fight. That's beyond ridiculous.

Article 51 was used by the US to justify its attack on Afghanistan. What you haven't posted is the Charter's third position on the use of force, found in Chapt VII, articles 43-45, allowing the UNSC to decide when an application of force is required. Given resolution 687, that not only makes the invasion legal, but actuallt, by the letter of the law (article 45) makes France's lack of action (and canada's) illegal, or at least not fulfilling its obligations. Ain't THAT a kicker? Article 45 In order to enable the United Nations to take urgent military measures, Members shall hold immediately available national air-force contingents for combined international enforcement action. The strength and degree of readiness of these contingents and plans for their combined action shall be determined within the limits laid down in the special agreement or agreements referred to in Article 43, by the Security Council with the assistance of the Military Staff Committee. I take it sweal is still trying to hunt up some international law that outlines degrees of war...unfortunately it doesn't exist.

Why would I do that? It's you who mentioned it, in the same context with the crabs. In the way that's reminiscent of something very nasty ... Hitlerjugend maybe? Anyways, about crabs - the point is, do you have to gloat while boiling it alive? What if they do actually feel pain when boiled? Or are you an expert in that subject area as well? No, you're right. I see the light. They haunt my dreams. Their cries populate my waking hours. I have sinned. What do you propose I do...put on a hair shirt and self-flagellate while dumping them in a pot of water? Be more kind and gentle by putting them in a cool pot of water and slowly and kindly heating it to the boiling point? We're talking about crabs here. Go lie down on the beach and die and see what they do to you. Eating them is a safety measure.

I vote for a third option: this thread is about the absurd-on-its face claim that the Iranian government would support a faction that they have oppossed in the past (violently) just to poke a stick in the collective eye of the West. Yeah how silly. That would be like opposing the USSR, then allying with it and sending it war materielle against Germany, and then opposing it again in a cold war. That's as silly as the expression "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Thanks for straightening us out.

File this under "the blindingly obvious." Which leads me to wonder why so many people are working their way through pack after pack of Hanes by existing in a constant state of incontinent worry. Tell me, why is this obvious?

This lame attempt at ridicule won't deflect attention from Harper's tactics. What tactics? He/she means her tactics of misleading and imputing and deflecting threads, don't fall for this type of baiting and trolling which is lowering the level of this forum. I think there are many who are lowering the intelligence level in this forum. Especially since some can't quite keep a handle on whose tactics are under discussion. As I read it, the topic was Harper's tactics, and that seems to have slid sideways into baiting and trolling tactics. I made the comment because this slavishly anti-Harper nonsense threatens to become a Canadian version of Bush derangement syndrome. I thought we might as well accuse the guy of eating kittens, or at least start a rumour to that effect. I hear he's been caught looking sideways at dogs too, but not with eating in mind, if you catch my meaning. Boy dogs, too.

In all fairness, the article includes this paragraph. "Without further research, it's not possible to determine the exact thinking process of those who agreed that both the theory of evolution and creationism are true. It may be, however, that some respondents were seeking a way to express their views that evolution may have been initiated by or guided by God, and told the interviewer that they agreed with both evolution and creationism in an effort to express this more complex attitude." I am curious to see the other variants of creationism you mentioned. The usual comicbook version of creationism is the 6000 year earth thesis, but variants of creationism start with the initial creation of the universe, to the creation of life, to the creation of human life, as qualitatively different from animal life, through the young earth creationists, to the old earth creationists, to the so-called "progressive" creationists. There are also evolutionary creationists. To simply mock and parody a well developed field of enquiry because we have been encultured to see the scientific method as paramount is crazy.

...from someone who rants about bloviating twits . But of course in your little white bread corner of BC , what would one expect. That's true. In my little unsophisticated corner of BC we don't have Jamaican gangs. Hell, we don't even have "Indo-Canadian" gangs. We're not as sophisticated as you, but it's not entirely bad...we don't have the same volume of lead flying through the air either. I'm lobbying city hall to be more openminded and inclusive and hold a job fair for immigrant thuggery, but so far the racists have turned me down. All we get are seasonal Mexicans, and aside from their bathroom habits, they're fairly tame. Apparently the racists haven't been able to be inclusive enough to invite Peruvian refuges like vacationing Sendero Luminosa, and we have to settle for more or less law abiding and allegedly temporary help.

Then we run our economy on renewable blood based fuels, dduuuhh! Haliburton will invent energy from dead Palestinian babies and Bush will be RICH RICH RICH!

Exactly what is your argument? That we treat foreign looking crabs like youths? That if crabs were big and we were small, they would eat us and then we'd be sorry? Can you narrow the argument down a bit...maybe scrap the alternative universe, and, you know, maybe the youths?

Bible editions get churned out frequently. If that's your criteria by which to judge the existence of God, He spoke last Tuesday, so you'd best get to church right quick.

Yeah, the perfect immigrants...do their work, and then go home and shoot each other...

If the separatist Bloc had failed to prop up the Harper Conservatives on the budget vote, we'd be able to test your hypothesis. Oh well, that's the trouble with alternate reality...it didn't happen.

Yawn...yeah, everyone who doesn't agree with celebrating bumbuggery is a closet homosexual. Right. That must make everyone who pretends to accept it closet homophobes?

Well, the Catholic Church is choosing to punish a human rights organization, while offering no solutions of its own to the problem at hand. Surely there must be some people that are disgusted that the Catholic Church goes tax free, while systemically turning a blind eye to the plight of women in Africa. What rot. They are hardly turning a blind eye to the "plight of women in Africa". It's just that they're not turning a blind eye to the plight of the unborn.

No no no. The Liberals want a far more malicious group of immigrants than Chinese. Yes, I hear some New Guinea tribes are being persecuted for their religious beliefs, which happen to involve head hunting. They have been moved to near the top of the list, just under persecuted Congolese AIDS ridden homosexuals.

How about pro-choice and anti-choice? Or pro-abortion and anti-abortion? Yeah sure. why not pro-life or anti-death? Or pro-responsibility or anti-responsibility? Lets get murder thrown in there for maximum effect...pro-murder or anti-murder.

Well, this is a perfect example of why this argument will always go in circles. Your position here is tantamount to the other side claiming that the bible must be true, and offering as proof that the Bibile says it's true. You're doing the same thing in reverse. You're claiming that in spite of all sorts of spiritual evidence, it must be measured against observable scientific criteria, and since it can't be, it must not be true. It's hogwash. I wish atheists had just a bit more logic to their mental processes.

Something atheists will never be able to fathom is the idea that science has the answer to everything. As far as they are concerned, things are simple and confined to the observable and the sensual.

Yes. And no. I erased your simplistic strawman for you to spare you the embarrassment of having to defend it.

Forced childbirth! I like that. I mean, who needs any responsibility?! Forced. Forced. I know I certainly hate it when I randomly have unprotected sex due to the coercion of all the media and negative influences of society and parent many children, but hey. It's not my fault. I was forced! Anti-choice advocates do indeed want to force childbirth on those with unwanted pregnancies. What rot. This transparent wordmeistering by both sides is farcical. Pro-death, anti-life, pro-forced friggin' childbirth...how foolish.