ScottSA

Must you always use 10,000 words to say what you could have said in 10? Read the stuff you wrote. Its idiotic...truly it is. You sit back in your armchair and turgidly pontificate about the great moral courage it took 12 million people to be herded into concentration camps without fighting back. I dare you to show "great moral courage" and turn yourself into a middle eastern den of pious Muslims so that they can affirm your great moral friggin' courage by sawing your head off with a paring knife. Me? I'll fight like a great moral coward, but I'm sure you'll end up feeling superior.

Not mounting as far as soldiers dying. Just steady with no end in sight. And given the joyful enthusiasm by the administration for a very quick in and out war, this is regarded as a failure. You did notice that saddam is not running things anymore, right?

Yeah those 3000+ American soldiers that died so far, never happened. 3000 soldiers died in the first ten minutes of the Battle of the Somme. At this rate of attrition, it'll take over 85 years for the death toll in Iraq to reach even the neighbourhood of Vietnam. It's tragic that US soldiers have died, but lets save the crocodile tears about "mounting death tolls" and so on, shall we?

This particular strain of pacifistic idiocy really came out when Israel attacked Hezbollah. The entire left was yowling that it was "disproportionate", as if Israel ought to fire a 105mm round and then sit back and wait till Hezbollah had it's turn to fire a rocket in return. I think the some on the left see this war thing as some kind of game with refs running around calling time outs for offsides and awarding points for "fairness".

Ok, now that we've established that, please go on to find some contemporary mainstream newspapers in the west that engage that kind of anti-semitism. I'm not asking for a lot here. Just one or two mainstream newspapers that have blatant anti-semitism in them of the sort you're an apologist for in the Arab media. This time I won't be able to help you out I'm afraid, because I don't think there's been a lot of that since around 1945.

You would have to be real stupid to confuse Zionism with Judaism. Right, thanks. I'll try to keep that in mind.

Nuff said.

Why has no one produced any Syrians or Iranians to prove it? They have. Please don't embarrass yourself further.

Now we're into the "trillions"? This gets worse by the moment.

That's because a small but noisy segment of the population of the west wants the war to be lost, and will cointinue to agitate until it becomes true.

How are men becoming men again? And how did they stop being men? I guess you'd have to read the thread in order to get that. Unless you already have and you're trying to cleverly embroil me in an exchange of repartee...in which case, perhaps I'll qualify it as the "ideal" of malehood, which took a bit of a feminized holiday for a couple decades.

Why don't you just say something instead of "Ha Ha I know but you don't". That is the mentality of a ten year old. You may understand the subject matter but you really need to grow up as a human being. Right. I'll get right on growing up as a human being. But do I have to burn Bishop Occam at the stake in the name of TRVTH if I grow up as a human being?

Fine, I'll do your work for you. I'm sure this is just part of a big Jewish Zionist plot, but here's one: http://www.memri.org/antisemitism.html Here's another. Just ignore the fact that these are jewish links, and go check out the links they supply http://www.adl.org/main_Arab_World/default.htm Here's a good one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs_and_antisemitism Oh my gosh... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3759446.stm Well, those are the first four of some 478,000 links google has for "anti-semitism arabic newspapers", but I'm sorry to hear you couldn't find anything...

I don't know, but given that the entire population of Europe hovered along at under 30 million for a good many centuries, I don't suspect it was anything like the death tolls of the 20th century. Meanwhile, back on the Islamic ranch...

Ah see, that time I wasn't calling 300 misogynistic. That was directed at you. Foolish and unsubstantiated allegations? How about some evidence to support any of your assertions that such a version of masculinity was out of fashion or is making a comeback? Shit, the anti-feminist backlash reared its head ages ago in the '80s. Rush had his feminazis in the 90s. As much as you'd like to flatter yourself, you're not really breaking any new ground. So, let's say 300, with its depictions of half-nude musclemen thrusting spears at each other is not drenched in homoeroticism, but is simply a celebration of masculinity. If that's the case, how sad. For it's a trite, ridiculous version of masculinity that you would appear to embrace as something meaningful and admirable. That a cliche-ridden, utterly brainless and banal film like this would be worthy of your praise and regarded as a hallmark of manliness says all that needs to be said about the concept itself. I'm hardly breaking new ground. You just haven't caught up to reality yet. Being left behind the social curve is a common trait among those on the left though, so don't feel alone. Simpering pseudo-intellectualism usually tends to shield itself from reality for a decade or two after the rest of mainstream society has moved on...you know...like those buttugly old girls still sitting around in covens nattering about how all men want to rape them?Incidently, the "backlash" you're talking about was a propaganda ploy by Susan Faludi to describe the re-emergence of common sense in juxtaposition to the standpoint feminism of the day. It turned out to be a backfire on her part, though, since it outlined all the reasons there SHOULD have been a backlash. It may sadden you, but men are becoming men again, and that can only be a good thing.

What can I say to willful ignorance like this? I'm sure it exists in some corners too. Like all across the headlines of every middle eastern newspaper every day. Care to provide some examples? No. Just google up "middle east" or "arabic newspaper" and you can feast your eyes on it.

If they are more powerful, stand in front of them, it they shoot you or hit you, let them. WWJD, after all, IF we are a Christian [Jesus Christ's teachings] society, that's what we'd do. As well if a society is truly strong, it can find ways to resist any "nasty" men through non-violence. I highly doubt muslims are going to mount an invasion anytime soon. I wouldn't even think about basing my perception's off a movie which glorifies war. Well, you trot off and stand in front of the barbarians. I'm sure your moral suasion will send them home post haste. I guess you'd suggest that the Jews should have adopted that stance against Hitler, eh? Oh, wait. They did. Worked well for them, didn't it? I think the Muslims got fed up with mounting invasions after Israel repeatedly handed their collective ass to them a few times...but are you suggesting they should have used non-violent means instead? Maybe they had a shortage of bathing suits that day, and didn't feel like being pushed into the sea...I dunno...

Of course you would. Unfortunately when the other nasty men are coming to take your territory, playing with barbies sometimes isn't the answer.

Well, the US was a bit concerned that it would cost them a million or so men to take Japan by storm. It was deeply unfair of them to pick the enemy to die instead, but oh well...

Actually, i think you'll find that their field uniforms were a little less lacy than their dress attire. All that lace tends to get caught up in brambles and such as you're chasing the enemy hither and yon.

I would probably believe you. I outlined some of it in my above post but did not discuss a lot of it. You may not be allowed to post that. Judging from your previous posts, you'd believe that a descent to the roof of the UN by Ganesh on a fiery chappatti drawn by a team of flatulent hippopotami is imminent. Please send $3000 to swissaccount#[email protected] and I'll let you in on the secret.

That's so gay I thinkit was the Pride Toronto slogan for 1998 Yep, back in the last millenium the feminization crowd pretty much had everyone convinced that prancing about in pink tutus was what real men did and that acting like men traditionally do was an acknowledgement of latent homosexuality. Silly, but thank God that was 1998 and not this millenium. http://www.darrinzammitlupi.com/greekarmy.JPG Those are Greeks. That doesn't count. No, wait...but they're not Spartans!

Thank you. I thought it had something of a 15th century pathos about it...I guess the conquistidors set up Gitmo as a top secret Inquisitorial camp...

Go away...

Hasnt stopped you before....come on lets hear it. Nope. Wait and see.