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Then please educate me woody. Tell me where you think the term came from. Who were the Luddites and what did they do? I'm all ears.

Woody, you really ought to learn the meaning of the term Luddite. Luddites didn't likr machinery. You don't like machinery. I like machinery. You're a Luddite. I'm not. If you want to denigrate everyone who refuses to see the New TRVTH, find a different term to use, lest you continue to play the ass.

My cousin's best friend's brother said that he knows a lady who heard of a man talking who said he was a Phd in structural constructionism who said that whatever it was that I believed in was true. Everyone who believes differently is ridiculous. For real! That's pretty much the totality of Polly's "evidence". That, and the notion that everyone else is wrong and everyone should see it.

Um, because this is a separate issue? And btw, just because you are vociferously pushing the panic button in other threads hardly means they are going any way. Do you have anything to say about this or is this just a driveby snipe?

WD, excuse Woody. I've known him for years and have never known him to say anything that would indicate his IQ is over 100. That's being kind. Assuming for the sake of argument that GW is actually happening, I have yet to hear a convincing argument that GW is actually a bad thing. Yeah yeah, I know all the hyperbole...NY will be 6 feet under by next week and giant earthquakes are acomin' and global inferno is going to incinerate Australia, but the fact is that 800 or so years ago life was a great deal easier in the northern hemisphere when it was warmer than it is today. Another fact is that no one with any credible geological knowledge has tried to link earthquakes and volcanoes to GW, and as for the great increase in hurricanes, I've heard that if indeed the climate was warming according to the current theory, hurricanes would actually decrease rather than increase in intensity and number. I don't know why they decreased to the point of nothing this year, but hey, what do I know? Other than the unfortunates in the Bangladeshi floodplain, exactly who is going to suffer from a teensy increase in sea level and an extended growing season aided by CO2?

Feminized men are men who bought into the whole "sensitive man" paradigm as an ideal for men. By that I mean the woody allen - unisex philosophy of gender neutrality that was so hip in the 80s.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/st...533f8c8&k=78513 I expect that the granola gang will immediately howl that we NEED to make sacrifices etc, in the usual kneejerk reaction we've all become accustomed to, but I'll hazard a guess that as soon as the economic impact of said sacrifices begins to hit home with them, the story will change from the need to make sacrifices to: bad fiscal management by [insert evil conservative politician of choice] has done this. I sometimes think the entire granola gang should be taken to the third world, at government expense, to spend 6 months living in a third world hovel to see for themselves just how tittilatingly romantic the peasant life they long for actually is in real life. I expect it would save a lot more than it would cost in the long run. Evil capitalism and its resultant leaps in technology are solely...not partly, but solely...responsible for the standard of living we enjoy today. As always, it will also be the way we end up reducing pollution; a trend that began in the 70s and is continuing today irrespective of anything the UN says or does.

I certainly don't need language instruction from you, but thanks for the offer of advice. Hey, I don't expect you to change your mind...short of EST, I suspect you'll go to your grave believing everything is a big plot...I'm just trying to clear up the confusion that Kuzzad seemed to have over the term "implosion". Sorry you don't like the actual meaning of words...perhaps it's a big plot by me to mislead the world about the meaning of english terms?

"Oops" is an appropriate term here. While I'm in no way an engineer and have to therefore rely on the testimony of real experts and an application of common sense, I do have some limited expertise in English, and I can see that you're a bit confused as to the meaning of "implosion". The term "implosion" is not synonymous with the phrase "sponaneously generated implosion", nor is it necessarly the opposite of the term "explosion". "Implode", used in this case, simply means that it collapsed into itself instead of tipping over or exploding outwards, as it undoubtably would have were it a solid structure. Even from a background of rough construction while in university, I know that houses don't implode because the 2X4 or 2X6 frame construction and a dearth of weight on the roof are sufficient to leverage the building sideways. If, on the other hand, the roof weighed 300,000 tons and was dropped on the framework from above, leverage that would normally take place is irrelevant and the house would implode really really fast. One assumes that the same thing happened with WTC, since the real experts explain that's what happened.

Drea, I don't know where you got that statistic or how you've manipulated it to say that 84% think GWB is behind 911, but I suspect it's because you've created a false dichotomy in your mind that either 911 happened exactly as explained by hegemonic opinion, or it is a great big plot by [insert favorite bogeyman]. If indeed 84% of Americans don't believe exactly this or that, it doesn't mean they all think what you think. You are a member of a select few savants who know things no one else wants to waste time knowing.

Ya'll are gonna feel foolish when you look back on this fad in ten years...of course by then you'll have convinced yourselves that you never really believed it was so bad at the time. Sort of like you've convinced yourselves now that you never really believed all that stuff about all men being rapists way back when it was trendy to leap on that silly bandwagon.

If one were to check out the info at the following address one would find that the scientists agreed that they have a 66% or better confidence level in human effect on global warming. http://www.ipcc.ch/index.html This of course doesn't cover the fact that in each of the last couple of reports, at least, the scientists warnings have been compromised by the politicians operating on behalf of governments that are running scared of what is coming. Well I've heard exactly the opposite from several scientists who reportedly demanded that their names be taken off the report because the conclusions were inserted after the fact by the framers of the report. If these governments are "running scared", as I imagine any government would in view of Kyoto, then why would they commission the reports in the first place?

Put a leaky plug in your bathtub that allows 1 liter/minute of water to flow out of the tub. Turn on the tap to pour 1.001 liter/minute into your bathtub. A 100 liter bathtub would start overflowing in 70 days. Yes, but you're ignoring the fact that a giant hole has already been bored in the tub right next to the leaky plug. It's called the ocean, among other much more prolific producers of CO2 than we can ever hope to be. except the oceans don't produce any net co², they produce net oxygen That's irrelevant. One doesn't cancel out the other. Nice try woody. Then of course there's volcanic activity and one almost as large as the ocean: decaying plant matter. My understanding is that human produced CO2 is a small part of the overall production of CO2.

The actual treaties required very little from the crown. A few dollars and beads. The modern interpretation of the treaties involves things that were never even in existence at the time. In any event, "The Natives" is a collectivist racial term. In an age in which slavery, anti-semitism and racism were so passe that no one thought twice about it, racial collectivism was fine and that's why the crown dealt with the Indians as a racial group. But this is the 21st century, and we're busy indoctrinating our children with the notion that race is irrelevant, while at the same time practising the opposite. The Indians who are alive today have as little to do with the wrongs done to their forebearers (if indeed immigration then was morally worse than immigration today) as I have to do with the wrongs my forebearers allegedly committed. It's ridiculous that I am supposed to don a hair shirt and pay wergeld because my forefathers broke their backs turning this country into something that can afford such foolishness. If lilly white liberals want to practise condescending paternalism and pretend that Indians still need the great white Bwana to take care of them, then they should play that idiot's game on their own dime.

The phrase is actually 'suffice it to say'. The meaning is the same either way, and grammatically marginal either way, although 'suffice it to say' is somewhat clumsier, as are most references to "it". The most grammatically proper arrangement of the phrase would probably be: "it is sufficient to say", but that sounds lame. But you should probably report what you erroneously think is a phrasial error...wouldn't want to pass up a chance to tattle.

I wonder if the al queda recruiting office is keeping up with the al queda body count?

Oh puleeze...we're all going to drown this year? From GarBleD WraMmIng!1!!11!!???/?? RUnaWaYzNoW!!1!!!!! The Frazer has never flooded before? Never had a mild winter before, or a series of them? I remember when I sold beer on wreck beach in 1980, and it set a record for heat and consequetive sunny days that I don't believe has been broken since. Calm thyself catchme...you seem to hyperventilate over just about everything. The angry Man-God of global warming is not going to drag you to Davy Jones locker, nor your kids, nor your grandkids.

Put a leaky plug in your bathtub that allows 1 liter/minute of water to flow out of the tub. Turn on the tap to pour 1.001 liter/minute into your bathtub. A 100 liter bathtub would start overflowing in 70 days. Yes, but you're ignoring the fact that a giant hole has already been bored in the tub right next to the leaky plug. It's called the ocean, among other much more prolific producers of CO2 than we can ever hope to be.

Well actually, we took a lot more than NY and gave the Noble Indigenous Folk (or whatever the PC name is this week) a lot less than the rest of the country. How they reacted was to fight. Then they lost. Now they have teensy little parcels of land and we have NY and the rest of everything else. Perhaps you're right. Perhaps we ought to do a North America on the Middle east, you know, just to show them how incredibly worse it could actually get. In real life though, you can't make that type of comparison. The "countries" in the middle east are parcels of land that used to belong mainly to the Ottoman Empire. If anyone should be pissed off, its the Ottomans. And if the Arabs want to blame anyone for more recent events, they ought really to blame their former leaders who got the bright idea to trundle off across the Negev into the arms of a good thrashing. Apparently the Jews had had enough of the genocide thingy by that time and fought back, evil buggers that they are.

CO2 is a half of one percent of our atmosphere, which makes it just this side of being a trace element. The heating effect in no way reflects the actual teensy miniscule increase in the amount of CO2 we're producing, which is itself a fraction of natural CO2 production. On top of that, there is a historic 800 year lag between a heating wave and an increase in CO2, which would suggest that the present increase in CO2 is an effect of the Little Optimum. I don't see the science being solid at all, and what's more important is that a lot of scientists outside the funding loop don't see it as solid either. In fact, the only "science" involved are computer models and theoreticals, since the actual observations don't jive with the modelling. If we want to work on increasing the rate at which the planet has been cleaning up and reforestating, that's one thing, but using some ridiculous bogeyman that in all probability is natural to scare people into it is not on at all.

I'm not looking for respect on here. That's probably a wise attitude for you to adopt.

Actually, the human threat is lessening. The last IPCC report put the confidence level that it was human caused at 100%, so we're moving downward to 90%. Far be it from me to figure out how they quantify something like that short of a vote, but at this rate, what with IPCC reports being published at the same rate as daily newspapers, we're gonna be at a 0% in no time. Time to light up the BBQ! Hey Woody, you do know what "Luddite" means, right? They're the folks who wanted to wreck big smoke belching machinery. Sounds a bit more like the kind hearted Getbacktonature crowd than the evil Ihateearth crowd, doncha think?

Its only the countries that are not already under IMF control that the USA has a problem with. It is a big plot by the international bankers to own the planet. You may figure it out before they stick you on a train to one of those camps. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that those who print the money run things. Right. Big plot. Own planet. Bad bankers, hiss, evil. Thanks for the update there Polly. I think it might be unhelpful to mention that the IMF has an interest in every country in Africa, often forgives interest and even debt, and is highly sought after by the rulers of those countries since it's the only organization foolish enough to actually invest in the failed protostates "developing nations" of Africa. Clever bankers those IMF folks. Imagine being clever enough to loan money to African countries who have little hope of ever paying it back for about the same interest rate they would lend it to a stable industrial nation! Positively hienous in its deviousness. Perhaps you'd better take that particular "big plot" back to the drawing board and tinker with it a bit. You DO know that the IMF doesn't print money, right?

I think people that make remarks like this suffer from the fact that no one in real life has any respect for what they have to say and they get on these message boards just to say something and be heard. Right, thanks for that worthy post Polly. I've noticed the masses genuflecting and oohing in awe whenever you undertake to educate them on the TRVTH of various nefarious plots only you and a few other savants are smrt enough to fathom. How DO you command that kind of respect?

Actually, bee decomposition is good for Mother earth, isn't it? Maybe we should soak them in oil so they help pollute the old hag.