Peter F

No kidding? The US military commissions allow for death sentences. Of course, before there can be a killing there has to be a trial and a verdict.

I am pondering that same question.

And all that is fine with me. I have no complaint or criticism about that. There's nothin wrong with any of that. Personally I get a jolly of telling my kids that thier great-great-grandparents were very probably taking potshots at each other at Montmorency Falls in 1759. But that doesnt explain why you think its important for others to know that everything they have or ever will have (or more acurately wont have) is because White Culture. Its good for you to have an afinity with past generations - but no black guy or native should know that warm-fuzzy and if they do get that warm-fuzzy they better be told how false and feeble it is. EDIT to add: For example: Lictor: Thats good. Unfortunatly I cant claim the same. My forebears probably never heard a single Aesop fable until maybe a generation or two ago. These forebears living in the Scottish Highlands or perhaps the fjiords of Norway long before any tales of Aesop made thier way to them, let alone them knowing how to read or knowing someone who could read greek/latin and not reading the bible to them instead of Aesops fables. So, that being so, and me being as white as you, then what shared values and affinity would we have regarding Alexander the Great and other noble white guys? The fact is that for me to buy into that is to pull the wool over mine own eyes and beleive in a myth. But I can deal with that. I have no problem coming from a long line of savages who certainly never invented a goddamned thing as far as I know. What they did or didn't do has no bearing on what I am or am not.

I wouldn't be claiming racism for not being taught Scottish history. but I think we can agree that racism doe's somehow exist somewhere - perhaps even at a systemic level - maybe even in Japan.

Well I would say they are pretty much not living like they always have. They too have planes trains and automobiles(and web dating).

Good. So you are white Trash.

I loved that series. I wish I could buy the CD's somewhere. But because some guy up north somewhere gets inspired by zero doesnt mean that I - who am not inspired by zero in any innovative way - can claim superiority over moors.

Maybe there is no systemic racism. Maybe there are no glass-ceilings. Maybe the high incidence of blackmen raping white women has no bearing on hiring practices. Maybe ... maybe not. I suspect systemic racism but I have no idea how to prove it. Perhaps it can't be proven. I don't know. No you wouldnt. But who's to say I would make the same decisions you do?

Bonam - Im quite willing to drop the crap about superior culture/race too. Thats just picking at scabs. True. and the vast majority of those advances came from a very few individuals. How many generations of Europeans lived and died before someone cottoned onto the idea that, ynow, maybe lightning is a form of electricity? Quite a few Europeans lived thier lives without that thought entering thier giant minds. But because one guy makes the leap, another who benefits from that knowledge then makes another intellectual leap and so on and so forth., we can then say that because of those few remarkable individuals make Euro culture/White folks superior despite all the millions of unremarkable Euros/white folks. And becuase of that Lictor and the rest of us whiteys - who never made any of those intellectual leaps at all - get to claim the genius of a few for ourselves. Thats what Lictor is getting at and its entirely without merit.

Both, unfortunatly. Although either factor alone would explain it. Now that you mention it...the second factor could very well cause the first. So, yes, both.

What do you want Bonam? A top-ten list of the best cultures in the world? We can doctor the criteria to ensure White-Nth-American culter gets top billing. Why is it insulting when somebody says Europeans stole thier ideas from other cultures? Why would Haitians be insulted by Lictor saying their land is a cesspool? They shouldn't be insulted but you Lictor should be? Yes, the double standard is disgusting

My point - wich you refuse to acknowledge - is that 'White History' dominates our day-to-day lives here in Canada. and because it isn't 100% White-centric you're upset. Get a life willya?

Tell me, is the PM of this country a White male or of some other group? Was Dwight D Eisenhower a white man? How a bout the pope? Hitler? Stalin? Cromwell? Columbus? Churchill? Newton? Einstien? Coulombe? DeGaulle? No need for TV announcers to point it out...Its always white history month.

No you don't. It's always white history month! my granting of it or denying it means nothing.

-- Peter F 5:50pm

We don't have to try. We already have that in the vast majority of our schools - especially non-big city schools. All white schools teaching kids about white heritage is pretty much the standard in this country.

Y'see, here is where you become such a sneak. You can't just come out and say what you mean can you? One would think you would at least have the courage of your convictions. But no, you creep around with insinuation and tell yourself your having a debate. Wich implies you don't have the courage of your convictions for the simplie reason you don't have the conviction. So, back to your question. Will I agree to grant you a white history month? It is to laugh! I hereby grant you a White History Decade! I'm pretty sure I know what you will do with it - you will cherry-pick the actions of others of your race to claim that you - yes you Lictor - not me or BC2004 or American woman or anyone else - You are a superior human being because by some freak of genetics the talents and skills (both intellectual and physical) of those other white folks have devolved upon you. You will claim to have all the talents of all famous white-folks even though you have done absolutely nothing Is that not where this is going?

Except for the ones that don't, of course.

I think the thing is bunk. Somebody somewhere does a remarkable thing and somehow that persons abilities and acheivements become mine. Michealangelo or Donatello or whatever sculpts a beutiful statue and somehow that reflects upon my abilities and talents - why? Because he was white and so am I! The whole concept of 'racial pride' is bunk

Not I. Whats wrong with teaching Black History? or any other history for that matter? Since when has the teaching of history become a manifestation of pride?

Hmmm. It's difficult to believe anyone can have lived in Vancouver and Toronto...and be a liberal to boot! I see the need for verification of such an outlandish proposition.

Agreed. And us fools played right into their trap. Good One ISAF. Smartest thing a General has said for years...

So you're off to crap on some feminist organization somewhere. Good one!

ah. You're still pissed about your google FUp.

and who am I blaming for what?