DogOnPorch

Anyone that tries to explain this away deserves to win the Golden Hockey Puck award. He shoots!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S0sVqMU51I (exposes 9-11 Truth) He scores!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I never broke my nose playing ice hockey; but eleven other guys did. ---Gordie Howe

A chum of mine with 5 combat injuries was sent back to Iraq...this after 12 months in Afghanistan and 18 months in Iraq. They made him work a desk. He made it back safe and sound not long ago. I doubt that the army is going to put troops with 'serious injuries' in combat roles...but you can speculate, I suppose. As for the US military being on its last legs...not true. However, replacements are needed or old vets with over a year in country will be sent back. This brings up also the old ghost of the draft from the Viet-nam days. While I doubt nobody but the military wants a draft, it does have its odd advantages over a volunteer army. Mainly in that it gives a much broader cross-section of the population (deferment aside). Otherwise the military tends to attract two main sorts of people. Those with good intentions and a real desire to serve their country...and the other type...those into violence and guns who seek an outlet. I found it quite telling that many US street gangs like the 18th Street Latinos require military service in order to advance inside their gang hierarchies. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Brains, like hearts, go where they are appreciated. ---Robert S. McNamara

This again? I thought I put this steaming turd out of its misery months back. lol...steaming turd. But talking with the truthies tends to be like a game of Whack-A-Mole. Knock down one pop-up gopher, beat down some other pop-up-gophers, and before you know it, the first gopher pops up again. Excellent analogy. You're probably also aware that this isn't the only game of Whack-A-Mole PN plays. Other forums are also flooded with PN's particular brand of paranoia. But, he is brave enough to use the same forum name...I'll give him that. Don't get him started re: Moon Landings...he'll have Neil Armstrong busting caps into Gus Grissom's ass as part of some big Fox Network style conspiracy theory involving murdered astronauts and Hollywood movie sets. http://www.moonmovie.com/moonmovie/intro.html (some interesting "science n' physics" here...snicker) 104 pages...lol...and counting. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Whoopee! Man, that may have been a small one for Neil, but it's a long one for me. ---Apollo 12 Cdr, Capt Charles "Pete" Conrad USN/NASA

Your post is educational and hard to add to. I'd delete references to FDR, who has, as you point out indirectly, much Jewish blood on his hands. I find your posts most informative as well. I feel we share many opinions. I'm still an FDR fan for what he did do as opposed to what he didn't...but the whole US immigration quota was a most regretable affair. The Great Depression and a certain hint of xenophobia in the air prevented many from entering the US at this time. The voyage of the St Louis being a prime example. The Arab states were not poised to effect anything much. Israeli military authorities are on record acknowledging that Arab sabre rattling in 1967 was basically empty. The Arabs/Muslims had their armies already in the field fully mobilized. Like 1948, they came from across the Middle-East/North Africa for the imagined party to follow. "Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight." ---Nasser, May 1967 "The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel ... to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle, the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not of more declarations." ---Nasser, June 1967. I think I'd be loading my shotgun at this point if my neighbor was saying such things...that you wouldn't is your choice at your peril. If my family and home was threatened in such a way, it'd be foolish of me to wait for the enemy to act first. Only King Hussein seemed to think it was all a rather bad idea. Moscow egged on the lot in typical Cold War proxy fashion. Again, the actions of Arab states cannot justly be used to deny the inherent human rights of the Palestinian people. The same Palestinian people who listened to former SS General/Jew Baiter Mohammad Amin al-Husayni and formed Mufti militia units in order to drive the Jews into the sea? Palestinians are not merely bystanders. They are just another defacto Arab army. What were Arafat's words again? Let me refresh... Interviewer: I have heard voices from within the Palestinian Authority in the past few weeks, saying that the reforms are coordinated according to American whims... Arafat: We are not Afghanistan. We are the mighty people. Were they able to replace our hero Hajj Amin al-Husayni?... There were a number of attempts to get rid of Hajj Amin, whom they considered an ally of the Nazis. But even so, he lived in Cairo, and participated in the 1948 war, and I was one of his troops." From: Al Sharq al Awsat Newspaper, London. Reprinted across the Arab world...August 2002. ...and Arafat a blood-relative, apparently. One of Husayni's many nephews. Arafat's real name being: Abd-al-Ra'uf al-Qidwa al-Husayni. Which matters not a whit. (re: Jerusalem's Muslim origins) Sure it does. When you get right down to it, they built their temples ontop of a rival's 700 year old temple ruins then made the story fit reality by saying they had found a religious icon from the Koran, the 'Furthest Mosque'. Unless you do believe in 'winged beasts', this is simply not possible...Mohammed having never left Arabia in his lifetime...apparently. Islam reached Jerusalem with the arrival of Omar in 636AD or 637AD depending on which version of the siege you judge more plausible. It was also mentioned earlier in this thread that Jerusalem was the spot where Mohammed accended to heaven with Gabriel...I'm just clarifying the story a bit. If you're a dyed in the wool Muslim...you might infact believe the 'winged beast' part of the story...so anything including the sudden arrival of Mulder and Scully on the scene is possible at that point. But I imagine most modern/westernised Muslims take that line somewhat less than literally. Maybe a Muslim could clairify this for us all... As an aside, imagine what would happen if the Mormans went into Mecca (by force if needed) saying this is where Joseph Smith heard his message from God, then building a massive Mormon temple ontop of the Masjid al-Haram...me thinks there'd be a wee spot o' troooble with that scenario, too...lol. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes, to make it possible. ---Lt.Col. T. E. Lawrence, "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom"

I guess the whole trouble I have with this 'pull back to the green line' stuff is that I doubt it works both ways. Had Nasser's plans worked out in 'Pan-Arab' favor back in 1967, there would be no Israel today. I also doubt there'd be any talk in the Arab/Muslim world about bringing Israel back from destruction out of some sense of 'fair-play'. The way I see it, the Israelis won a military victory (The 6 Day War) against a much larger enemy that was poised to strike a death blow. I'm not sure I'd be giving back any of the ground capturned without some sort of really sweet deal involving peace and understanding. That the Israelis even budge on some issues is really commendable on their part. Remember too, the Arabs/Muslims tried to take the area back by force in 1973 (Yom Kippur War) and failed again. So I'd be even more hesitant about striking a deal for this 'occupied land' without some real positive (for my side in particular) results on the "peace table" from all parties involved. You can term this attitude as 'terrorism' or 'prudent thinking'...depends on one's politics, obviously. What we have in the Middle-East even to this day are some of the last glowing embers of the Second World War. Too much bad blood still exists between the Jewish and Muslim people in the area because of it. Afterall...al-Husayni went unpunished for his evil deeds during WW2 and was behind a good deal of the initial troubles in the Levant...including kicking off the 1948 war for the Muslim side. This is not to say the conflict in the Middle-East is a war against facism as per WW2...as it now has its own horrible nature. But I do feel much of the current animosity indeed has it's roots in the 1930s when anti-Semitism was driving the Jews from Europe towards perceived havens such as British Palestine, The USA (visa quotas), Cuba (wait for your visa)...etc. Turned out few nations wanted them... And if I had been the postwar western powers, I wouldn't have let it decend into a free for all in 1948. The abdication of responsibility with the job half done was a grave error. Perhaps in hindsight. Fact is to most of the world during and after the Second World War, the whole Middle-East was a backwater of a backwater. Few nations (except Russia) kept their armies at the massive sizes they were during war time. So there were very few troops to man any posts anywhere. Also, I believe as far as the British went, they were aware of the 'troubles'...keenly aware even (the old White Paper)...except they never figured it would ever amount to anything more than yet another 'bush war' in one of the many colonies as per the "old days". Their interests in the Middle-East lay mainly in keeping the Suez Canal open more than anything else (aside from the oil moving through said canal)...not pandering to Jewish and Arab national aspirations which I'm sure they found most tiresome over in Bevingrad. To the Jews in Palestine post-WW2, the British attempts at keeping down Jewish immigration and not going after al-Husayni for war crimes (not that they could, realistically), must have looked quite like betrayal rather than 'problem solving'. Many young Jewish males of the area had fought in their own volunteer unit (attached to the British in Italy) while Arab males either ignored the war or joined up with al-Husayni's personal crack SS Panzer Division, the 13th SS "Handschar" and associated units operating in Yugoslavia. Already plenty of historical ying and yang...if you follow. As for Jerusalem: It's special, of course, for its multiple religious ties. However, Muslim ties to Jerusalem were nothing at first...then for various opportune reasons, they grew. Early on in Muslim history, a major revolt in Iraq prevented Muslims in the Levant from reaching Mecca during Hajj. Caliph al-Malik of Damascus then made Jerusalem the new centre of pilgrimage in the area...already a well travelled pilgrim destination for other groups. But it was mainly Omar ibn al-Khattab that decided that he had found the very rock that Mohammed was said to have accended to heaven from (after his night journey via winged beast). "David's Mosque" he termed it, apparently. This all after Omar's 'victory' at the Siege of Jerusalem in 637 AD. But there are some accounts that say the city surrendered in fear well ahead of the arrival of Omar + army in 636 AD. Either way, The Dome (1st) and Al-Aqsa (2nd) went up on this rock by 715 AD or so, the former site of the Jewish Second Temple torched by the Romans...a trash dump by Omar's account...which he is said to have started cleaning (the rock) with his own robes. His officers followed Omar's que, cleaning the place up w/ robes and then having the first prayers there. Now it is thought of part and parcel with the Koran's words: Glory be to Him Who made His servant to go on a night from the Sacred Mosque to the furthest mosque of which We have blessed the precincts, so that We may show to him some of Our signs; surely He is the Hearing, the Seeing. Please feel free to add or correct... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you treat people right they will treat you right...ninety percent of the time. Franklin D. Roosevelt

Henry Rollins always summed Ann Coulter up best, in my opinion... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM7MR5_v47w ------------------------------------------------------------ I try to tell the truth. ---Tucker Carlson

It's a strange and disturbing world you live in, assuming that even a part of what you say is true, how do cope,knowing that the world is comprised of secret cabals and world wide threats... What's incredible is that PN has managed to stretch it out for 100+ pages...lol. ------------------------------------------------------------- I came from a real tough neighborhood. I put my hand in some cement and felt another hand. ---Rodney Dangerfield: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DL26XJrgrA