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You are so far off base it isn't even funny. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Canada As you can see Half of the provinces listed there actually have hydro numbers in the 90% range with out even adding in wind. BC is in the same position as well as the two other territories. PEI hopes to be only wind power in 10 years time. I also do not consider nuclear power to be Coal power, so you are wrong. You have no Data the supports you accept Alberta which BTW is not the centre of the world and is not all of Canada. Here are the numbers from all of Canada from 2004, as you can see 59% hydro. I will do a little math that is 9% over half. I don't think I was wrong. http://www.cec.org/files/pdf/ECONOMY/Pres-...yMeeting_en.pdf As for Power companies they often encourage people to conserve energy generated from these use it or lose it sources of power so they can pump it into the American grid. By doing this they often make twice what they would make if Canadians consumed this electricity themselves. If I have been misled it wasn't by you cause I am calling shanagians on your entire post.

Unless 50% of Canadian homes are located in Eastern Quebec then you are wrong my friend. Half all electricity used in homes in Canada comes from renewable energy. Ohhhhhh yah you are right we should conserve this cheep form of free energy and not use it in our cars so we can export it at a premium to the US. You are what is wrong with this country.

Pick up in PEI and NL I don;t think that is a reality!

It didn't help all those tree huggers who were paid a great deal of money by Exxon to clean up the spill and to monitor the ecosystem many years after? Your ignorance of economics is at the core of your rejection of GDP as a measure of wealth. If it wasn't of worth to anyone, they no one would pay the price. Obviously people gained from it... people were helped and things were improved. If you think 95% of Americans are starving, your also a victim of Michael Moore style propaganda. Most Americans live better than we do, have you ever been there? Tell me of a country that lives better than Norway with a lower GDP. You are being ignorant Norway is number 1 as far as HDI and quality of life. So you are ready to dismiss those but it clear that they are also good measurements and i would say better measurements. Lets try Australia 17 on GDP but third in quality of life amd HDI. Yah I pick Australia over Qutar, the US, and most of the rest above it other than Canada on GDP. There that is a better example of how the GDP is a measurement i don;t trust. You pick Qutar over Australia?

I am one of those people who sees the GDP as redic because Exxon-Valdase oil spill casued the GDP to sky rocket will actually helping no one and improving nothing. It is all about spending every cent spent in a country makes GDP larger that doesn't mean shit all. If 5% if the country spends huge amounts while the rest starves *Chough China/USA Cough* your GDP goes up that doesn;t mean your counrty is better.

Let's try messuring a countries wealth by their GDP is out dated and stuipd.

"Ontario now has 413 megawatts of wind power generation" As of November 2006. Thats close to twice as much as Alberta last time I cheaked. Oh and PEI has 5% of their total power from wind. I am so glade you know nothing about Canadian power. I apperently know more about the industry than you.

Our grid is maxed out on wind power. We are the leading producer of wind energy in Canada... if not North America (never seen N.A. stats). Your Gird is not maxed out that is a lie there are plans to double Albertas wind power in the next 5 years. You are not the leaders in wind power where did you get that idea? Ontario makes more wind power. HOw about you produce some stats casue I already have in the post you ignored.

fine lets talk CH4 that is a green house gas, what is chinas what is Canadas? How about PCP's those are green house gasses. I was just using a simple example but we can do it your way. Point is your wrong.

Tell you what....if, when China reaches our per capita emissions, they don't want to cooperate, I'll be the first to join you in criticizing them and insisting they join or else withdraw from Kyoto. MOney where you mouth is they are already at our sulfur and nitrogen emissions or close to it which cause acid rain. SO stop ignoring the facts please and acting like China is part of kyoto. They are a dirty contry and they are not going to clean up their act. Talk hypotheticals all you want you are wrong look at their enviromental record.

I never said their should be a tax. I said Alberta should give back what it takes. That means building a more sustainble energy sector. This shouldn;t be hard to do put up some more wind turbines you have plenty of room and as for storing energy, store your extra wind power in hydrocells they are crazy good at saving energy. You are ignoring at there are soluation out there and trying to put the blaim some where else. If you are making 31.2% of the GHG's in Canada and you are the richest province than pony up and start doing something because someday the oil is going to run out and if you don;t invest it you are going to be screwed time moves forward but whenever I talk to an Albertan they seem to think it stops. I am not saying Alberta should be punished for it;s industry just that you have a responiciblity you are the ones making those emmissions. When the fishing industry was crashing was Nova Scotia telling Alberta to stop fishing? No casue that is silly we were taking all the fish and should be the ones to correct that problem. Quebec is almost soly hydro, what you want them to reduce their emissions? That doesn;t make sense.

I'm arguing hypotheticals here, pay attention. That is the purpose of the word "if". Oh as long as we arguing about hypotheticals, what happens when someone gets a magic lamp and wishes the CO2 emmissions away than it was all a waste. See how that is stuipd, pretty much as stuipd as what you are saying. China will never sign on to something making them an Annex 1 country becuase that way they would have to reduce their emmission and as it stands their enviromental policy sucks ass. They have gotten a huge gdp gains in the last years on the back of killing their enviroment period. PERIOD!

China doesn;'t have to ever pay shit gc1765 they are non annex 1 country pay attention.

This is why you shift cost from labour to polluations like taxes that way companies don't suffer but they are given a choice between enviroment and money. Don;t you read about this stuff at all? You shift taxes from labour to polluants than your are taxing the same amount but at the same time corperations are given a choice.

Energy which the rest of the world desperately needs. Energy exporters should not be penalized for a problem created by consumers in other countries. I dont see how passing the buck solves the problem which you aren't addressing. If Alberta is making all this money from it's resources it could easily poor some of it back into the energy sector. Instead they deregulated something which should be regulated and let the elephant lose in the china shop. Seriously the whole point in deregulation is people will do what is cheapest and in Alberta that is burning shit and putting it into the air. No one wants to punish you for your energy, I just think you should take responsibility for it.

Umm these crazy numbers, I really don;t think and by think i mean know that we pollute 7 times more than china they just dump toxics into their rivers. They have a huge enivromental problem over there right now. They are also not a part of Kyoto they are part of the 77+china that were exempt. Kyoto is stuipd but what this guy says could be right becuase we got carbon sinks included in kyoto we are one of the biggest carbon sinks in the world. Whatever though it was a dumb idea we need a different way to bring out carbon down.

Pfffffftttttt Alberta energy pfffffttttt. Who told you Alberta is caped for its wind casue that is just wrong geoffory. In a deregualted system you can;t just go no we don't want your energy. Alberta is curently doing projects to double the energy which is made by wind so it seems far from caped out. Infact they don't plan on capping out till their wind power is expanded by four times the amount they have now. They are far from being a world leader in wind and not even close to caped out. As far as Alberta being a Canadian leader in wind that title actually goes to the east coast province of PEI who as of right now has 5% of its total energy made by wind and who is hoping by 2015 to have 100% of its energy by wind. Ontario now has 400 megawatts of wind power generation, compared with 300 megawatts in Alberta. Let us not forget as far as renewable goes Quebec, BC, Manitoba, New Foundland and the Yukon have hydro, New Brunswick does a lot of Thermal too putting Alberta far beind on the renewable energy in comparison. Alberta does lead Canada in Green house gas emissions though 31.2% from the energy sector. Geoffry is really trying to put a spin on his provinces power generation but seriously i don;t know if he is trying to lie or he is just misinfromed but seriously.

Halifax just kicked a new pirmary treatment plant into the works your info must be old cause we are dealing with our problem. Not to mention halifax has amost shut down all our landfills and incenterators cause we actuallt care about the enviroment.

Second largest amount of oil in the world it aint slowing soon.

Are you saying gas and oil will never run out casue that is just silly. That can still happen if the ocean currents shut down due to fresh water from melting ice caps. Remember that whole conference in Montreal where they actually did things to fix this problem. You can;'t debate Global warming it happens with out it our earth would be 33 degreees cooler. Yah better not try and find out. Peregrine Falcon not endangered any more? Yes ohh thats cause we stopped killing it with ddts. Ummmm what and many will put that off instead to the suburbs of the 1950;s and lifestyles after that. Maybe you hate poeple becuase they actaully read and study number instead of blaiming the scientfic boogie man.

Look Kyoto is an impossible goal for all countries. Here are some facts no one mentions when they speak of the countries that reduced their emmissions. Britian- All they had to do was stop burning coal which is what they did now they just burn oil and gas, they didn;t do anythign tangleble for their energy sector. Germany- Pffffttttt they united east with west and becuase east was a block country their emission feel do to industry falling. Again did nothing real. Russia: INdustry colpased thats it. Those are the big three people talk about so short of industry falling we are screwed yet 60% of our countries energy comes from hydro and we have some of largest carbon sinks in the form of forrest and sea in the entire world. We need a new plain kyoto sucks.

Yeah but then you'd be robbing a minority of his freedom to practice religion. Or we could just not allow muslims into Canada and these issues won't be an issue any longer. -- Shariah Law quote: "As to those women on whom part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat her." Q: Under Sharia law, how would you punish someone who criticised Islam or the Prophet? A: "To the people who insult the Prophet, they should be first corrected. If the person is a Muslim, he or she should be given advice, so that they'll ask forgiveness. Otherwise he will be considered an apostate, and in Islam he should be sentenced to death if he doesn't ask forgiveness and insults the Prophet." This is my 'vision' of Canada. Here is Arar's wife: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2004/03/10/..._ndp040310.html Ummmm no are we talking Hanfi school? Shafi school? Maliki school? You do know there is no such thing as Sharia law right? You need to pick a school than you can make broad based generalist statements that aren't true ok?

I think elecion time comes around we should be allowed to vote every new law we can that is democracy. SSM would still hold so whatever.

Look I hate to say casue I am leftest as they come but geffory is right. If he holds a Syrian Citzenship he shouldn't be suprized when he gets deported to that country Canadian Citizenship or not.

I would vote for him and will vote for him if he runs of the leader of the NDP.