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I've no idea what public schools served, none I went to served meals, we brown bagged it or went home. The problem exists, you choose not to see it; some folks in Europe feel the same way, although I guess freedom of assembly/speech only applies to some groups. http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/08/...f-brussels.html Thursday, August 09, 2007 From the Office of the Mayor of Brussels by Baron Bodissey Below is the press release issued earlier today by the office of the mayor of Brussels, announcing the refusal of a permit for the SIOE demonstration on September 11th. Many thanks to Mr. Resident for translating it from the Flemish: The Mayor of Brussels forbids anti-Islamic protest march BRUSSELS 09/08 (BELGA) — The mayor of Brussels Freddy Thielemans forbids a protest demonstration against “the rise of Islamic customs”. He decided this on Thursday after a meeting with the police and other services. Thielemans fears this protest will lead to incidents between demonstrators and Muslim parts of the population of his city. Thus has been learned from Thielemans’ spokesman. On the 11th of September, the organization “Stop the Islamisation of Europe (SIOE) wants to stage a protest in front of the European Parliament in Brussels, exactly six years after the attacks on the WTC towers in New York. The organizers deny any link with extreme right wing movements, but want to stop the “invasion of Islamic customs” in Europe. The organization is against Islamic law, which, according to them, clashes with democracy and equality, which are highly-rated European values. cont....

I don't get it, why wouldn't we use that money to attract Canadian students who can't afford those studies. It doesn't make sense. Are no Canadians applying for these courses, and why a pressing need to attract foreign students? http://www.recorder.ca/cp/National/070809/n080961A.html Canada launches scholarship program to attract more Chinese students TORONTO (CP) - The federal government launched a new scholarship program Wednesday aimed at drawing China's top students to Canada to study health research. Up to 30 scholarships will be awarded each year to allow Chinese students to pursue doctorates at Canadian universities. The scholarships are for a study period of four to five years. The first recipients are scheduled to begin this fall. Health Minister Tony Clement announced the initiative at a hospital in Gravenhurst, Ont. He says Canada has a pressing need to attract more top foreign students to work in the area of health research.

Try again, I'm not just talking actual gov't bldgs, I include schools and other public institutions where carols have been banned. One of the universities providing foot baths actually banned a coffee cart vendor from playing christmas music. A high school principal in the U.S. canceled Dicken's "A Christmas Carol," partly because he feared it would raise questions about the place of religion in public schools. Not to mention no Christmas trees etc. etc. There is a double standard here when accommodating one religion but not others.

If John Tory really is advocating funding for religious schools I disagree with him and wouldn't like to see it. However, as long as we fund the RC schools I don't see how we can refuse other religions. Even the UN said Canada discriminates against other religions by doing this. Is it possible to stop funding RC schools or is a change in the charter necessary, and what politician has the guts to opent his can of worms. http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/is...58-0024572661c9 Ontario Progressive Conservative leader John Tory says he wants to "ensure that students from the widest range of faith and cultural backgrounds are part of public education." Many Ontarians have interpreted this to mean that Mr. Tory would provide public funding for religious schools of all types -- not just Catholic schools, as under the current system. While the status quo may be flawed, providing more government funding to religious schools would only make matters worse. Such a plan would further ghettoize religious communities -- especially the Muslim community, which is already quite insular. Conservative Muslims may support Mr. Tory's plan, and downplay differences between Islamic and Canadian values in an attempt to win support for public funding. But step into their schools, and you may be shocked at what they're teaching. In some Muslim schools, girls must pray behind boys, and segregation based on gender is advocated as a religious duty. This is obviously in conflict with Canadian norms. Furthermore, Muslim children, like other Canadian children, must be provided a full opportunity to explore their creative talents through instruction in subjects such as music, art, drama and dance --disciplines that are often shunned in Muslim schools due to educators' austere religious outlook.

Part of the problem here is whether or not installing foot baths is a legitimate accommodation of students’ rights to practice their religion - or unconstitutional government support for that religion. As the Muslim population grows, these issues grow and become more complicated. Public schools have to worry about providing Muslim prayer rooms and halal food in cafeterias, while scheduling around Muslim holidays. All this to accommodate one religion while they ban Christmas Carols and efforts are made to purge government of religious displays, Bible readings and graduation prayers .

Walmart came to my smallish town a while ago, same old arguments about the main st. etc. There is little of anything on Main St. that I want or need; unless I'm in the market for a lot of country pine stuff, the usual. The only place I shop at on our Main St. is a decent clothing store, and a bakery. I don't love nor hate Walmart, I will choose to shop there if I need something and it's cheaper; I should have that choice. And yes, Walmart does employ a lot of seniors there who couldn't find part time employment downtown. What this really is, is a campaign of demonization by pro unionists. Even Walmart haters must recognize that we cannot outlaw competition, even to protect mom and pop business.

Great posts Rue, keep them coming.

Further to this, Mark Steyn has another good article on the subject. http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/mark-ste...7-exposs-column Sunday, August 5, 2007 Mark Steyn: The vanishing jihad exposés How will we lose the war against "radical Islam"? Well, it won't be in a tank battle. Or in the Sunni Triangle or the caves of Bora Bora. It won't be because terrorists fly three jets into the Oval Office, Buckingham Palace and the Basilica of St Peter's on the same Tuesday morning. The war will be lost incrementally because we are unable to reverse the ongoing radicalization of Muslim populations in South Asia, Indonesia, the Balkans, Western Europe and, yes, North America. And who's behind that radicalization? Who funds the mosques and Islamic centers that in the past 30 years have set up shop on just about every Main Street around the planet? For the answer, let us turn to a fascinating book called "Alms for Jihad: Charity And Terrorism in the Islamic World," by J. Millard Burr, a former USAID relief coordinator, and the scholar Robert O Collins. Can't find it in your local Barnes & Noble? Never mind, let's go to Amazon. Everything's available there. And sure enough, you'll come through to the "Alms for Jihad" page and find a smattering of approving reviews from respectably torpid publications: "The most comprehensive look at the web of Islamic charities that have financed conflicts all around the world," according to Canada's Globe And Mail, which is like the New York Times but without the jokes. Unfortunately, if you then try to buy "Alms for Jihad," you discover that the book is "Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock." Hang on, it was only published last year. At Amazon, items are either shipped within 24 hours or, if a little more specialized, within four to six weeks, but not many books from 2006 are entirely unavailable with no restock in sight. -snip- We've gotten used to one-way multiculturalism: The world accepts that you can't open an Episcopal or Congregational church in Jeddah or Riyadh, but every week the Saudis can open radical mosques and madrassahs and pro-Saudi think-tanks in London and Toronto and Dearborn, Mich., and Falls Church, Va. And their global reach extends a little further day by day, inch by inch, in the lengthening shadows, as the lights go out one by one around the world.

I don't believe it's a threat to us yet, there aren't the numbers, maybe not to the U.S. even though they are regularly accommodating more of their demands . However, people in the U.K. are not too happy generally with what is happening, ask the people in France how they feel. We need to take a closer look at the problems in Europe and not let it happen here. It is not imagination, but various radical groups want it and are working towards it. We do need to at least recognize the threat and make sure we never allow any hint of Sharia to sneak it's way into our laws. http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/15642/...ing-to-leave-UK BRITAIN is facing a mass exodus of people looking to escape the crime and grime of modern living. The country’s biggest foreign visa consultancy firm has revealed that applications have soared in the last seven months by 80 per cent to almost 4,000 a week. Ten years ago the figure was just 300 a week. Most people are relocating within the Commonwealth – in Australia, Canada and South Africa. They are almost all young professionals and skilled workers aged 20-40. And many cite their reason for wanting to quit as immigration to these shores – and the burden it is placing on their communities and local authorities. The dearth of good schools, spiralling house prices, rising crime and tax increases are also driving people away.

Yup, it is in our imagination allright, these guys and others really don't want anything like that - they only pretend they do. http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/010937.php guess these guys don't want it either, theyare just pulling our chains.

It's even scarier that they find the whole thing so humorous, wouldn't be such a laughing matter if they were under constant rocket attacks - all the while expected not to defend themselves. I guess muslims or ex muslims like this one don't count especially as she's under a death threat too, same as the Canadian gal - but hey after all it's only Israel we have to worry about huh. http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/02/...i/index_np.html "Everyone is afraid to criticize Islam" http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiege...,399263,00.html There's lots more but what the hey - we don't have to worry about it nah

Not to mention turning them into human bombs - and celebrating their kid's death.

It's not just symbolism, it's also a political statement as Islam and their laws are intertwined. It's not just a foot bath either, and not just one university, there's something like 19 of them so far. Iit's also about prayer mats and places to pray in airports for cabbies. At the W & M University, they removed a cross because some people found it offensive; a student flushes a Koran and he's charged, but flushing a Bible is 'art' - At George Mason University nonMuslim students are asked to observe Muslim rules in a common prayer area. It's not just accommodating Muslims, but the double standards which are applied when applying religious benefits to one group, over another religious group. What we have is the inability to say no to one group, if muslim students want Muslim prayers etc. they should attend a Muslim university. This is a creeping jihad or a slow path to Sharia law. Kimmy is right about the request for Sharia Law in Ontario, we got lucky that McGuinty said no to this one, it was close.

There is no reason that plural marriages (between consenting adults) should not be legalized, now that the definition of marriage has been changed, the barn door has been opened.

Their assaults on the freedom of speech is a form of intimidation, as an Afghanistan editor of a "Women's Rights" magazine was convicted on "blasphemy" charges after a religious adviser to President Hamid Karzai accused the editor of publishing two "un-Islamic" articles: one criticizing the Islamic practice of punishing adultery with 100 lashes; the other arguing that leaving Islam wasn't a crime. Jyllands-Posten (Danish paper - cartoons) is another example of how we are intimidated by violent protests, and of course the riots and burning of France. All this and more are tests of our willingness to stand up to their demands; which are about influencing the West with the gradual encroachment of Sharia type laws and encroachment onto the western concept of free speech. The less we stand up to intimidation and threats, the more the radicals become emboldened.

No doubt this would bring about order, what the heck, if it stops terrorism why not. Sheez, might stop all those shootings in Toronto.... - http://www.hizb.org.uk/hizb/press-centre/p...-in-london.html Thousands to attend Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain 's National Khilafah (Caliphate) Conference in London London, UK , July 30 2007 – Thousands of delegates will attend Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain 's national Khilafah (caliphate) conference at Alexandra Palace in London on Saturday 4th August 2007. The conference is part of a month of global activities to revive the Caliphate system of government in the Muslim world. During the Islamic calendar month of Rajab, Hizb ut-Tahrir is holding activities across the globe to raise awareness for the Caliphate, explore the challenges faced by the Muslim world in the pursuit of unity and present the Caliphate as a solution to the global problems the world faces. These activities will culminate in the largest ever Khilafah conference in history on August 12th 2007 when 100,000 delegates attend a conference at the Gelora Bung Karno Stadium in Jakarta , Indonesia . Dr Imran Waheed, media representative of Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain, said, "Our message to the Muslim community in Britain is aimed to reinforce the massive popularity for this political institution in the Muslim world, and to illustrate how we, whilst based so far away, can contribute to the debates currently raging about governance in the Muslim world. Islam through the restoration of the Caliphate in the Muslim world, far from being a cause of world chaos, today stands as the one solution that can bring stability and justice to the world." "Given the current climate of suspicion and fear we feel that now more than ever people need to try to understand these legitimate political aspirations for the Muslim world, rather than simply falling for the reductionist Manichean arguments that paints everyone who seeks Islamic change in the Muslim world as extremists or supporters of terrorism." cont.

Hey, it's been withdrawn - Mark Fournier Free Dominion August 3, 2007 Gentes/CHRC withdraw complaint against Free Dominion Moments ago, we received another letter from the Canadian Human Rights Commission, dated August 1, 2007, informing us that Marie-Line Gentes has withdrawn her complaint against Free Dominion and requested that the CRHC take no further action against us. I would like to thank Ms. Gentes for making this move and will assume her motives for doing so were honourable. The meat of the letter reads: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary of Complaint 1. The issue in this complaint is whether the respondent communicated or caused to be communicated, by way of the Internet, material that is likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt on the basis of religion, race, national or ethnic origin and sexual orientation. Background to Complaint 2. The complainant alleges that the respondent has communticated or caused to be communicated discriminatory material on www.freedominion.ca Free Dominion is a Canadian website that was inspired by Free Republic in the United States. It is described as a Canadian conservative news forum for the discussion of conservative philosophy and activism. The founders of the site are Mark Fournier and Connie Wilkins. Request to Withdraw Complaint 3. On July 17th and 23rd 2007, the complainant contacted the Commission advising that she wanted to withdraw her complaint. Recommendation 4. It is recommended, pursuant to paragraph 44(3)( of the Canadian Human Rights Act, that the Commission take no further proceedings in the complaint because the complainant has asked to withdraw the complaint. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also included was a cover letter asking us to take note of the fact that Investigative branch of the CHRC will be recommending that the Commission not proceed with this case. It is said that the best victory is in the battle you don't have to fight. This show of strength by people from across Canada - and from beyond our borders - has stopped this battle before it had to be fought. Because all things with the CHRC are political, either Ms. Gentes or the Commission, or both, have decided that an attack at this time on Free Dominion is a political bridge too far. cont. Congratulations ! http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopi...der=asc&start=0

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neoconservative is a "liberal mugged by reality" or some who decided he didn't like liberal policies anymore and left to be a conservative. No idea what a paleo conservative is.

Obviously because of the propensity towards violence and non-peaceful protest by a number of them. Plus, the number of orgs. (CAIR and ACLU) who go to bat for them. It appears that we are inching towards Sharia Law, a little bit here a little bit there, as we cave in to more and more demands.

Of course they do, not to mention daily kos, although I would hope they are not representative of the left, because that site is pretty hateful. Its about silencing opposing views just as some democrats want to re-instate the 'Fairness Doctrine" another blatent attempt to silence conservative stations.

I'll say LOL I did read a couple of those Left Behind books after hearing about them on the other board, I wasn't impressed, plus they are fiction, nothing else. Same as the Da Vinci Code only that's written better and definitely more exciting. Sure like you Betsy I was aware of phrophecy and doom and gloom etc. but this push to denigrate that part of a religious belief is all part and parcel of the Christaphobia which has been manifesting itself in the last few years. All of which, stems from the anti Bush, anti U.S. phobias. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, sharia law is creeping in, as more universities give in to religious demands by other groups.

I heard about on the other board they posted in - it's a hoot, I'm in raptures over it allready LOL

So, this seems to give lie to the perception that the Tories were stacking the committees, looks like an Osgoode Hall journal will be telling it like it is. http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.h...35-783468940a6b Remember last winter's phony scandal over appointments the Conservative government had made to Canada's judicial advisory committees? It was one of the Liberals' most disingenuous moments, which is saying something, since the Liberals have many. (The latest example was last week's comments by Liberal Foreign Affairs critic Ujjal Dosanjh, who castigated the Conservatives for sending our troops in Afghanistan to the war front in Kandahar without helicopters. Of course, it was Mr. Dosanjh's party who retasked our troops to Kandahar from comparatively peaceful Kabul, and his party that cancelled the purchase of new helicopters with such sanctimonious flourish back in the 1990s.) (Neither the chief justice nor the CBA had ever uttered a word about the Liberals' politicization of the bench.) -snip- But for those still convinced that the Tories were and are attempting to bias an otherwise inscrutable judiciary, a soon-to-be-released study in the Osgoode Hall Law Journal should disabuse you of that myth. Although the full paper will not be out until next month, the authors -- Osgoode law professor James Stribopoulos and University of Alberta law professor Moin Yahya -- have already released a precis of their findings.

Do they actually receive taxpayer funding, if so then I suppose they should give time to other faiths, if no funding, then absolutely not. Having said that, only if other stations and other faiths should have to do the same.