KrustyKidd

Are you kidding? There are more papers than AK 47s! That's not the problem. The problem seems to be distribution and getting them to work together to form Iraq as a country so they can start period. IRAQI NEWSPAPERS

I believe that man is a pack animal. Like a dog he functions very well in small groups. I use the Mormons and Tribes of all types as an example of sucess. Nations the size of Canada, Egypt, Russia and the USA are a relative new thing. Individualism although not lost has taken on a new meaning - privacy. In a community of any city you will find people sticking together and helping one another. To say that these people are selfish is wrong, they are humans same as you and I. Now to the point. You singled out the USA. Let me single out any small village in the Congo. When there is a flood in Kansas and people have lost their homes, providing that the people of this small village in the Congo know about it, how many are giving freely of their meager goods? Also, would their lack of generosity be construed as selfishness? I guess the point is that people are people. Large governments, if sucessful are (out of necessity) discompassionate and following a laid down set of rules. To make them up on a day to day basis is to open the door for rampant favoritism, dishonesty and dictatorship. As well, a government is not a person but an entity on it's own. It has it's own mouth, muscle and brain. It has survival instincts and is very much like a human although it distances itself from day to day problems of humans. It has a job like any other person, to serve those who it represents. A country is made up of many small communties. They all love each other and are generous to one another but like those in the Congo have trouble relating to a world so distanced from themselves. That is where the government comes in. Now, in answer to your point, I think that it is the government that is the one that you should be directing your attitude towards, not the people. Before you do however, remember that the government is sworn to do what is in the interst of the people that it serves. Not a disassociated people a world away.

Of course it is like that. Liberals prey on fear of the radical right same as Conservatives amplify Liberalism to parody status. What I am talking about is the church in the ME is like a Nazi party complete with structure and a common philisophical and day to day social network. That is a ready made constituency even in time of Chaos. For that reason it is Chaos that is it;s best friend. It is not a bunch of Conservatives who live in different parts of the country who only come together every four years but a network complete with a ruling class and mid level foremen. The population has to be educated on what an election means and how they do not have to be influenced by an organisation that traditionally ruled them either publicly or privately.

I thought I would start a thread here using a statement by a respected member. He feels it is valid in this context but I feel that people are people wherever they are. Subsequently, if true , I believe that it transends societies and is common to all the West if not the world. Lonius reffering to the USA: Comon. Back this one up.

No, it's reverse discrimination. Same as how the Crcuit Court places road blocks for minority republican judge appointments.

Didn't know where else to put this. I loved it and didn't want to staat a thread for just this. excellent poem. well written and so true!

Great point Morgan! Right or Left we are all represented by groups of some kind. No matter how much you want to be free of money it is always there, no matter how much you want to not be a victim of something you always are. The first step in solving or changing something is to recognise that it exists.

People don't see much difference between the Democrats and the Republicans because they see them simply as parties. Actions taken, realistic policies and counter arguments against the polcies of each's beliefs tell me that there is a vast difference. It's not my problem that these idiots are unecucated and unwilling to learn enough to see the different shades of color in the rainbow. No, chances are that they will never take power because they have silly views on the problems of the world, no experience and have such dynamic bimbos as Audry Mcgluaghlin and Svend Robinson as their front runners. Case in Point: Jesse Ventura, Governor of Minnisota - independant.

Yes it sad to see how so called 'Free thinkers' will go to extra ordinary lengths to ensure that only their view is heard or conveyed. I have read of Campuses where they will not hire Conservative Proffessors, some of these have a ratio of 95% Liberals to 5% Conservative. Hardly displaying the realistic national ratio. ARTICLE I used this one as it was the first to come up on a Google search. "Liberal domination Universities" is what I used.

2004 - Bush and Dean 2000 - Bush and a former Vice President - Gore Just wondering, why didn't you consider Gore a viable candidate?

Sorry Lonius, slow day, thught it might be interesting. Saddam, North Korea, Weapons trading with Syria and all. ' North Korean missile system, which would be capable of hitting American allies and bases around region.' A month before invasion while they were destroying weapons that were also capable of striking targets throughout the region. I dunno, something underhanded about it LOL. Unless it meant that they were ' North Korean missile system, which would be capable of hitting American allies and bases around region' providing they were within 150 KM. But it didn't say that so it was for that reason that I thought that it warrented a look. Sorry.

It is not about oil Udawg. I am sorry if you got that from what I posted. Oil is a factor in that it is what make the AREA geographicly important to the west and the US. If there were simply millions of miles of sandy tundra then it would be of no interest to anybody, including Arabs. It is not the oil of Iraq that is important nor is it the oil of any of the nations of that region. It is the WHOLE oil region that is important to the world, including the US. If that region falls under the rule of any one person or screwed up Medival group then the rest of the world will spend the next fifty years reinventing the wheel while the ME starves to death. That is the alternative to doing nothing. In order to stabilise the ME an example of Democracy needed to be made. Iraq was it. A central location to use a springboard for US troops for any future needs, a dictator the provided legitimacy to intervention and would not be missed by his nighbors, a population that would not be too hostile to having a government change and a lot of natural resources to pay for their rebuilding and modernisation of their country. Iraq was perfect. The need was so important to the goal of providing a stable modern society in the heart of the ME so that it would be one place where others could see that life has hope and prosperity is possible that theyare willing to spend over $500 Billion on this. If they were ever going to get the money back using oil it just won't work. Oil is $30 a barrel. It costs about ten to fifteen to pump it, store it and transport it leaving $15 a barrel tops. Iraq will peak production in a couple years at 3 million barrels a day. Dollarwise that's $45 million a day profit. Over half of that will go to building the oil infastructure and then some will go to the Iraqi people themselves, otherwise why bother doing it at all? I would say that at best the US could get $5 million a day out of them in repayment. Remember though, oil is pretty much the only thing these people have at the moment and they owe France, Germany and Russia tens of Billions of Dollars too. Anyhow, at five million a day you could pay off $150 million out of $500,000 million (500 billion) a year. At that rate it would take over three hundred years to break even and if any interest is attatched it would never be paid off. I think Morgan said that if this was about Iraqi oil then it would certainly have been cheaper to buy the stuff off Saddam for five times the market value. Hence, it is not about oil. Scince the war, the following has occured. IRAQI OIL SHIPMENTS AND CONTRACTS Although some seemed like they were US companies do not forget that in this day and age they can be internationally owned. The main thing I was demonstrating is that it is a pretty fair shake internationally wise for the purchasing of Iraqi Oil AT FAIR MARKET VALUE. The left's oil argument is crap. They know it, and so do we. In fact, you won't see one Leftist make any counter argument of substance on this thread reguarding this.

It's stability. Factories do not place all their eggs in one basket, they get their supplies from different sources. That way they are not subject to the whim of any individual company or unexpected shortages due to whatever reason. It's business sense. For example a nickle mine also buys scrap metal so that when productin is down they can meet demand by smelting a few cars to guarantee demand is met. If they become unreliable suppliers then the customer will find another source. Nobody wants a glut nor a shortage and so production is divesified throughout the globe. Without the ME America would have less sources for their oil and then be dependant on their own, Canada's and South Americas. Less supplieers means less margin for error and the potential for disaster. I suppose that it is comfort level as America could do without ME oil if given the opportunity and time to adjust. However, this would upset a very carefully structured world market and for decades the price of oil would skyrocket one week and plumet the next. A market where the price is porposing would quickly go out of control with each swing taking the pendelum further and further off center. Very uncomfortable for all involved. There is a few other factors, one is that world oil reserves are somewhere between a trillion and two trillion barrels. Sounds like a lot but remember that it used to be three trillion (at that time we didn't know it, hence a precieved world shortage in the 70s) and so far we have used a trillion. That's a lot and we are using 5% more every year. The big problem comes here: the oil that we are taking out of the ground now is the easy stuff. Takes something like one barrel to get twenty energy wise. It used to be one for fity. It is supposedly going to peak in about five years then it will get worse and worse until it takes one to get one. A point of interest so you can look this up yourself, that point is called the "Hubbard Peak." What that means is that there may be a half trillion barrels under the ground that will never be pumped out. Scary, isn't it? So, all the oil that America has it would like to keep for later. Arabs may be rich now but sooner or later they will be poor. Hence, America places an overt importance on other people's oil and those who posess oil place an overt importance on American Money and have no qualms about selling their children's resources. A modern Arab saying is "My father drove a camel, I drive a car and my son flys an airplane. My Grandson will drive a camel." So, scince America likes to use other's oil and they in turn wish to sell it there must be stability otherwise the deal is not on for anybody. Hence, Military and Political involvement to ensure the flow goes smooth. It sounds brutal but it is business. You would hardly hire an employee that you could never depend on nor would you deal with a bank that may or may not keep your money safe so why would anyone expect America to not protect her suppliers and the means to transport the product?

Oh wow! So now does that mean that thong underwear and bikinis are in fashion on the Streets of Tehran when worn by Westerners? Or does it only work one way?

Well the Arabic Apostle had better let us know how he did it before the black boxes do, otherwise he will not have accomplished a damm thing. As for what really might have downed the aircraft, let's look at a prior Flash Air flight: FLASH AIR STORY LOL, OK. For awhile I thought that airplanes were NOT supposed to have engines burning, people screaming and being ripped into shreds. Silly me. What happened to Arab unity, the interference of the Great Satan, freeing Iraq, and so on and forth? Seems to me that the caller was merely taking advantage of the situation more than anything.

ARTICLE So where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction you idiot? Probably hanging beside your freakin' car keys LOL. Of course you don't dear, "No Blood For Oil," "American Imerialism" and all the other childish ranting I suppose you don't mean either.

The Liberals under Cretien spent a billion dollars on C-68. I guess the guys sending these guns didn't get the message they were supposed to register them. MAIL ORDER GUNS

I love it! I remember a year and a half ago I used to lose two hundred bucks a week. I'm smiling now and the way the US economy is going my business is better than ever. I know the Liberals didn't have me in mind when they screwed up but I love it. Got rain on the horizon though: CRAIG'S PEDICTION Hope he's wrong.

Tell me about it. You have assistant this and that, secretaries of every stinking thing you can imagine and MPs crawling out of every Government orifice and we carry on with a achaeic tradition of subservience to a withered old bitch who simply sits on a tax free fortune in Britain? Lord help us! The role of GG if you must have it should be in the form of a lottery to see which street person needs the money the most or at the very least which woman looks better than Cretien. I think that as a trooper in the ME I'd rather suck face in my dreams with screw face than her any day. Governor General, I wonder if she is reporting back to the queen how lost we are in this country? How the Liberals have this big pyramid scheme going on that will colapse within a decade or two and that political correctness is taking over our most grounding institutions? Unless of course the GG postition is a waste of money and she really does not report at all. Hmmmmmm Kind of like a Liberal ethics guy.

And I would vote against everything so I could rake in and live in another country. Imagine voting against spending money for every Government Venture! Vote a 'NO' and they hand you a C note. What a life!

Right Riff. I don't like him but this has nothing to do with him. Duh. Those Liberals are quick on the draw.

Don't know if this is news. It is to me. NOT MUCH MARKET FOR A TOY FACTORY I GUESS

Rush is an entertainer, like Moore. Get some real right teachings. Savage, Regan, Borts, Beck, Hannady. I have no idea why Rush is the whipping dog of the Left, he is so lame that I tune into Left Radio when he comes on.

Hitler used the occult, Hitler burned books, Hitler systematicly executed millions, Hitler built a war machine out of a population and then tried to take over the world with the same, Hitler tolerated no disenting opinion. Hitler was to be in charge of a 'Thousand Year Riech.' Hitler never made any money. Bush listens to advisors, Bush promotes learning, Bush feeds millions through foreign aid, Bush used an existing war machine with restraint - twice, Bush is in the process of giving back two countries in which he rid the people of the Dictators that were like Hitler, Bush allows idiots like the left to spew forth bullsh*t like they do because he is not like Hitler. Bush is shooting for a 'Second Four Year Term' before stepping down. Bush knew how to make money left and right. I can't see where anybody can tell the difference. It's uncanny. You don't suppose that they are related do you? LOL, one last one. Hate to do it to the left but here goes; Hitler was a war hero, Bush as they say ..... was not.

Surprised the Left isn't saying that the US has 'Imperialistic' designs for Mars. Helping other countries is what it is more about than anything else. If the world wins, they win. It's nice to see something they do to get the proper recognition.