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Look at the excitement of the deadbrain bunch. They really don't like to be exposed for what they are. But that's what they are, open and clear. In their own words.

I personally don't think that politicians pretending to be in the fold of democratic system should be allowed to make openly statements threatening constitutional rights of the citizens. At the very least, he should be standing before the Congress explaining the meaning of his statements and how they can be understood by a reasonable, honest citizen. Most certainly citizens must have the right to end their democracy if that's what they like and think but it cannot happen by default through lies and loud mouth. Now, that would be stupid and irresponsible.

See no evil. Even if / when it's right in your eyes: "You know what? It’ll be fixed! It’ll be fine."

I can think of two quite obvious possibilities: either he's mentally unstable; not mildly impaired in communications like Joe; but seriously damaged, cannot think clearly, throws up random, meaningless rambling; or bent on becoming a dictator, like his praised and cherished bunch. What other logical options, based on own words?

We have to stay on and watch it. So that there's not a chance anyone could squeak "we didn't know". Trump: "It'll be fixed. You won't have to vote any more". "You know what? It’ll be fixed! It’ll be fine. You won’t have to vote any more, my beautiful Christians,” We saw and knew everything here. All there's to know.

More facts: Trump: "It'll be fixed. You won't have to vote any more". "You know what? It’ll be fixed! It’ll be fine. You won’t have to vote any more, my beautiful Christians,” What is not known here? Where are surprises? In his own words.

Of course it is. If unable to admit facts what can one discuss, meaningfully? Fairies? Dreams and miracles?

No: automatic reflection may work in JK-argumentation but hardly in a meaningful discussion of serious issues. When someone praises totalitarian and fascist aggressor thugs; does it repeatedly as a pattern; it's not any "insinuation" but an objective fact, the reality. There's nothing wrong with using objective facts in argumentation, even those you may not like; they are still facts a part of reality. And if you cannot admit facts of objective reality, it couldn't be anybody else's problem but yours. You cannot separate your wishes from facts? That's just to bad, because facts remain facts and the reality isn't obliged to follow your wishes. That's it. Simple. Admit facts and begin using reason or no meaningful conversation is a) possible and b) makes sense. Simple.

It's very clear that binary political systems engender, encourage and promote partisanship. It's a no brainer, really: easier to hammer the arch-nemesis on the head than talk and more importantly, deliver tangible and practical solutions and results. It's cheaper and the return can be higher, a natural incentive. And intelligent entities always take cues from their environment and develop in the most favorable direction, lowest in maximum out. Where I find it less plausible is that one side is a victim and the other, the villain. This looks like just another round of division already ingrained in the thought patterns. If I'm doing something wrong and that's quite obvious, impossible to avoid objectively then it cannot be on me, not I who's responsible for my acts and their consequences. That it, another round down the bottom-bound spiral.

And one more time: for a meaningful dialogue, one has to be able to think and admit objective reality. No meaningful conversation is possible otherwise. It just isn't possible, physically.

No meaningful conversation is possible with deadbrains. That type of "intelligence" uses alternative logic and reasoning. Normal, human conversation: We consider all options of an answer/solution and rule out those that we find unacceptable or unfeasible based on a) shared values; b) logic and reason c) objective facts and evidence. Alien conversation: Begin with preformed conclusion. Throw away anything that contradicts it, including facts, experience, knowledge objective reality itself. Exaggerate and inflate anything that even remotely relates to it 1000x to 1,000,000x. Proclaim it "common knowledge" and shut your sensory organs and brain. There's just no connection between the two domains and cannot be. There isn't a common language, any shared concepts. So no meaningful conversation possible. If there's a clear case of a zero sum problem, it cannot be any clearer. For a meaningful dialog one has to be able to think and admit objective reality. The proof.

Authoritarians and totalitarians always seek, and try to create social environment of fear; uncertainty; chaos and hatred because it's the only one they could thrive in. We would have to be blind and brain dead to not see and understand what is happening right in front of our eyes.

This is exactly why it needs to be done. Otherwise the extreme partisanship and deadbrains will reduce it to the absolute chaos without rules or principles because it's the only environment they can thrive int.

Even short of a drastic overhaul of the formal framework of the political system that is outdated and not well adjusted anymore to the modern reality, it is possible. It would take a conscious, deliberate and persistent effort to restore meaningful political discourse and keep it that way. None of this is partisan: any political group, party, movement etc that value freedom, democracy and the Constitution can and should join in this process. And they should all stand together, on the principles when authoritarian challenges based on fearmongering and lies emerge. It already happened, and it will happen again and again. Democracy has to be aware, and be able to defend itself. At every political cycle and through it the party has to affirm its commitment to the democracy; freedoms and the Constitution. Democracy has to be kept and maintained, it's not an eternal miracle machine. The principle: democratic political system, parties exist for the country and its citizens; there are no other reasons or causes for them to be there. Power is not a valid cause for a party in democratic politics; rule is not the end that justifies all means. Lying is not accepted as an instrument and mean in democratic politics and is condemned outright by all participants regardless of ideological stripe. It follows that the candidates and representatives are the best for the country; it is the main factor of merit and it has to be reaffirmed at every political cycle and throughout it. It follows that the nomination process is nothing like parading the default choice of the system, but a genuine and earnest call for the best. Through away, just flush the theatrics. No locked in votes, it was three centuries ago. No one-way rallies. It's a country-wide conversation about the problems and priorities of the country. Townhalls, interactive discussions, questions that has to be answered, meaningful and respectful debates. Citizens of all stripes can be invited to participate - conversation; questions; solutions and answers is the key, not drumming preset messages and partisan hostility. Candidates are nominated following the conversation based on their merit. Whole party can vote, but on the result of the conversation and not the other way around: it just doesn't make any rational sense. The conversation, involvement of the citizens continues throughout the political cycle. Important issues addressed in country-wide non-partisan discussions. Referendums and plebiscites on important issues, binding or informative become regular. Eventually, some form of proportional representation can be introduced: it does help to avoid the pitfalls of partisanship, the zero-sum game of the binary system. The bottom line is, to stay alive, avoid falling into self-annihilation via unrestrained partisanship, democracy needs to involve the citizens, all the time, not only the show time. This is work, not a promise or guarantee. Let's see if we're up to it still.

Peddle outrageous lies as the only sad "strategy". It was known from the outset of the race that it ends this way. Still, no one forced their hand: the contract was entirely voluntary and conscious.

I can't be responsible for other folks issues, eyes or brain or both sadly. If they cannot see or take in the obvious that's a diagnosis. Obviously.

And once again, the answers are right before our eyes. Buffoons full of themselves never act in the interests of the others. Reality can be ignored, but it always comes back to remind of itself. There's nothing here that couldn't be seen in plain and clear sight. And obviously, the deadbrains squirm, whine and throw sh*t around exactly because they know that they can say nothing that would make it go away. Drown any meaningful conversation in their brainless sh*t as the only sad strategy. All right before our eyes.

Trump was investigated because the representatives decided so, as is their democratic right. Several of his close associates were convicted as a result. The buffoon now felon urged his officials to find him votes and refuse to certify a democratic election in the way of a common African dictator thug. This no innocent poor baby. All of this is real and factual. Facts, the reality aren't going anywhere - only the brainless minds are. If one takes the entire body of work by the deadbrain folk here and seep through it, it would be 100% pure cr*p as pure as it gets. Not a grain of honest thought or objective reality. We kept wondering how it could happen and now can watch it playing out right before our eyes.

NO: and the answer is right before our eyes. Lying bozos full of themselves who admire "tough" dictators and thugs just won't go for be good of their country. That just never happens, ever, in the entire history. And sure, we knew.

A fine example as any of sucking the reality off the lying idol a$$. There's nothing to add here: all before our eyes. And no need to waste any further words. Zip straight down to your bizarre and twisted echo chamber. This is the world of sane reality though, so far at least.

There's zero sense in wasting time on a conversation with someone who believes that they can suck the reality off their finger (or their idol's body parts). How is this not obvious?

No: don't even dream of it; it's been posted about a zillion times, can be found in one minute search and only a) hopelessly braindead or b) hopelessly lying would be making such outlandish requests. "Just find me those votes" Liar.

No (the answer, right in front of our eyes)

Why say it when everyone can see with their own eyes? The lying buffoon could never do it for his country (and sure, he was asked). Just see it, right in your eyes. What can be added to it?

Are you being dishonest? There's none, zero offense in stating or repeating objective facts. I can say that he admires dictator thugs and it will be true 100 times out of hundred because he said so himself, a fact. An alleged conspirator in overturning a democratic election? Check. Go ahead, continue. What does it mean though when you advise an innocent person to "toughen up" to abuse, lies and offense thrown at them for no other reason than pure hate? Do you want to normalize or even encourage such behavior? So in the lowest bottom there's nothing at all of the substance left only dirt and abuse? Would that be the kind of politics you find normal and desirable for this country?