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Yeah cause civilians don't get hurt in Airstrikes against civillian nuclear facilities? And Israel has never struck when someones gaurd was weakened? Hitting people in their weakest parts is a underlying principle of Israel's fighting style. They have a sore leg hit it. THey have exposed organs hit it. They have eyes, remove them. etc... Although the Turkey element is questionable one cannot deny the wonder of Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey being 4 countries that tie into the Revalations. The bible and chirstianity would be closed and Muslims could rest assured of no longer needing to compete against Christians for converts and followers. http://matthew2262.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/tigris-euphrates-river-map.jpg http://mankindlastchance.wordpress.com/2009/01/28/mark-of-the-beast-final/

Lets just hope its not harper bernardo and williams and someone else unsuspecting walks into the room No sense huh? http://community.feministing.com/2011/05/18/ben-steins-defense-of-dsk-economists-dont-rape-people/ Harper Bernardo and Williams are at an economics conference when the case study walks in. It is an attractive 30 some female with teenage daughters. So the question is asked: How do we respond to improving the economy using this person as an example. Williams goes first: I say we rape her for what she's worth to improve our situation. (version 2 - and take her panties - so we have a net material gain) Bernardo follows: I say we rape her children. (version 2 and film it so we can use the tapes as a future commodity holding) Harper is the last one to speak: I say we rape her and her children for all they're worth to improve our situation. (version 2 she's clearly a liberal public service employee) * man this is pretty bad joke.. (best I could do on the fly no offence to the families of those who have been effected by these monsters or the monsters themselves if undeserving.)

Why then are defence analyists claiming Israel's ability to act is within a window that will be closed early in the fall, when facilities are moved underground? Over the last few days there have been a flury of news stories like this one: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-12/israel-to-hold-home-front-drill-amid-rise-in-iran-tensions-2-.html A strike may also influence Republican support should israel survive between the strike and the electins and turnover in January if so, which has taken a harder line than democratcs on issues like War on Iran. Maybe I'm just reading it the wrong way.

Realizing Israel's statments that if it is to act it will hit before the early fall, and the fall being a little over a month away, and judging that Iran might respond violently to an Israeli attack should it succeed, and the Harper government generally being pro zionist, what might Canada's role be in the event of a war between Iran occuring against Israel. While the situation in Syria might promote a free for all, would Syria allow Iran to attack Israel through its land? What are the repercussions of Iran and Syria being dragged into a war against Syria? How might Canada get involved, would it send aircraft, troops to defend Israel? it is a small area, with forces on Cyprus and in Afghanistan, what is the response? It seems clear the US timeline is a year or so, and for Israel it is only about a month. This is a pressing issue, and I find it hard that Canada would sideline itself under the current Harper adminisration, since the conservatives have a majority and it seems likely Nato might act, even with Tensions between Turkey and Israel. If it was up to you, what would you do, how would you respond to a strike on Irans nuclear facilities, what do you think Iran would do, what would Canada's role be? Do you think it would bring Russia and China and the other Shanghai 5 countries into the fray? Already there is a chemical and biological weapons threat in Syria, NATO countries have already said they are backing terrorist groups in Syria bent on overthrow of the Syrian government. Canada supports those actions which is actually contrary to the UN charter. Taking the cost of Afghanistan into consideration, and Canada's active involvement, will Canada's role be limited to helping enforce a no fly zone against Iran and Syria? US officials also want a no drive zone. Will Canadian forces from Afghanistan be used in a war against Iran, even though they arn't active combat soldiers, or would they continue their training operation, even as Afghanistan becomes a major warzone as a nexus between China, Russia and Iran, and major transport route of military forces. Would Cyprus base be used in the warr against Iran? Since Syria already faces a war against NATO what does it have to loose in allying with Iran? Syria also faced an attack on its Nuclear facililties by Israel, is it inplasuaible, and can Russia and China afford to sit back and watch nato take out both countries that border it. Only Iraq and Turkey seem likely landroutes. Turkey being a NATO countries seems odd, but already Turkey has one of the largest armies in the world. Meanwhile Iraq is a puppet state, with US forces being slowly lowered. If an attack comes through Turkey, may it then be used as an accomplice as a warfront against Israel? What if an attack comes through Iraq, would Iraq them become the route that Iran used? Here is an article from yesterday that raising this issue, although this was not the inspiration for this post http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1240342--walkom-why-we-could-be-at-war-with-iran-by-november

Pulling someones eyes out would likely be maiming not too torturous.. now taking out their eye with a corkscrew, leach or bird while strapped down watching through a video screen close up on the eye with the free eye is a little more like torture. Chinese water torture on an eye is also tortuous, simply removing an eye is disfigurment and maiming, it doesn't automatically denote trauma or pain. This person does it to themself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ozXpV2U0o

vulgarities. Need some more paint? cut the rhetorical bs and be constructive with my plan instead of presenting ad hominems. You lower your status in doing so. hay? 2050 yes. we have technology to bring us to approaching lightspeed built already. (this ignoring the fact we as projections move at the speed of light but people don't view life that way I feel, not that science is the end all or that we ourselves are confined to sublight speed not to say so much the point goes on another tangent and you are lost in what I'm talking about so I'll stop with that but no there are no limits but it probably helps you sleep better at night knowing life is plain and simple and only forward linear etc.. you have your box I have mine, mine is one that is fundamentally correct, yours is one where you place limits for no reason other than you feel safer with it that way. I feel unsafe and that is ok because I have nothing to fear of being unsafe because I'm already fulfilled. Is that weird enough sounding for you?)Future talk is a little what if, talk about what we are capable of now. Read on plasma ion drives already built by NASA or NASA's proposed energy. This past years events of faster than light particles. You don't want to bring FTL into your world view because of your meek understanding of relatively. There is no reason to deny time travel or FTL techs other than it makes you loose control, and you don't like that. If I brought a laptop back to 500AD they would be skeptical and think it was magical and fantastic. The main force holding humanity back is divisions and economic interests. Collectively we could have an even higher level of development, but there are realities and plausabilities. I would not be in disbelief if time travel exists by 2038 but I won't say it will. How do you explain God or existence, the bottom line is there are no rules to reality and anything is possible, but we can hold what we have and dream about what we don't. I'm not a haunted person I'm a realist, and I am given what I am graced and grace can be gone. I am in the hands of God and that is where my faith and comfort will remain in all I do. I lost you on the lots of company line.

This gives me warm fuzzies. No. I think you should make your decisions based on what you think, and I hope you either show me where my own opinion is lacking or that you realize where your opinion was lacking. I've been victimized before I still harbour fury due to it. When I have gotten injured or relating to seminal emissions from a wet dream I feel raped by nature. I'm spiritual and I don't think that a human molesting a human or nature doing it is much different. The fact is it happens and all we can do is try to prevent it from happening in the future. This doesn't mean I stop sleeping or breathing or running though, it just means I take precautions. I never claimed to be a security expert. I'm sure there is room for improvement. However I have put time into it and I am aware of many systems that are currently used in places such as Europe. I study future and cutting edge technologies so I'm often beyond the masses in awareness of these things, but I like to share, but yes I think there is definate room for deployment and enhancing past ways policing has been done in terms of tracking dangerous persons who have been released to the public. It happens they all arn't kept in jail forever. Look at the recidivism rate for that. Not all criminals recommit, and not all convicts actually committed their crimes. so there has to be a middle ground that appeased all factors. He abetted murder (and in that way is guilty of murder^-at the least as accessory after the fact), but I don't think he was the initial will behind it. That is reassuring. I've read into neuropsychology, and psychology so I don't feel I'm completely lay on the subject. I actually do think I understand the sciences of it. 1 part lust, 1 part oppourtunity. the other part a communication to do so. There is more to it than that but peoples basises can be quite convoluted such as Bernardo's bastard element and the conditions of his upbringing based on his exposures. Well that is good that you don't understand criminal minds, I feel I am in tune with humanity and I understand humanity. I've peeled my onion and I get my life, maybe you don't understand yours. I am suprised you can't project yourself into the mind of a criminal. For someone who is a student of law I am shocked unless perhaps you studied corporate law or something other than criminal law. I have weapons i'm not indifferent to using if I need to. Do I feel secure no. Do I think violent poeple are absent from the world all locked behind bars, no not even before the next siren goes off. Do I think we should take people from maximum security prisons and turn them over to day cares... NO. I think there should be a graduated reduction of the conditions so that people are gradually reintroduced to society after they have passed a series of tests through a work camp system aiming on building communities in Northern Canada where population centers don't currently exist, and where they will only be exposed to persons they would be exposed to previously. If they can't live in a coed environment of cons for 6 months then putting them into society at large is just irresponsible. My system offers more protections. Also tracking them via a grid allows awareness and will asssist in pinpointing who may have committed a crimes should it happen in a given area. In more secure areas, paranoid people can utilitize even a higher level of security is there. But I think the whole strategy needs to be changed. I understand how a lawyer may find these corrections to be a risk since both those professions benefit from the currrent maladministration of justice, and I understand if you are part of the bar your duty to make it look good even at the cost of the truth.

Under the current prison system, yes. However, I think that most people can be reformed over the course of years, and why you may ask, neurology, psychology, and reading on programming and brainwashing. No. I think that conflict theory is pretty real in that you have to understand peoples values, then it is a matter of cost benefit. I think life is mostly stimulus response. I think anything beyond that isn't worth discussion nor action since it would be illogical and left to faith alone, in that case impeding any liberty would be wrong. Criminal culture can be irradicated or segregated, but I don't think prisons are the right medium for that. Forcible confinement among intelligent creatures should only be a last resort. I think it is being used as a first resort.

Frames of reference do not boil down to TRUE or FALSE, there are multiple ways of looking at things - here is an introduction http://www.maths.manchester.ac.uk/~mdc/old/1K1/DiscreteMaths.html I think that the court situation is not a very highly trusted situation because it was closed to the public. I think all secret trials have less social validity than open public trials. There are facts in dispute. I beleive the crown often lies about facts. Oh, I'm not saying that he didn't do anything, as far as we are aware he admitted to serial rape, that is serious. Do I think he should be kept inside a prison building for the rest of his life at taxpayer expense. Most certainly not. Do I think he should be put into a life coaching female teen swim teams, definately not. Even with him becoming impotent in coming years due to aging, I think viagra and other sexual possibilities may still create plausible occurence, but I don't think he will ever have the oppourtunity to do what was done, also I think that with monitoring, of my type of monitoring, whihch is very involved and indepth, he would based upon his past admissions pose little threat. I think though that yes, his life could be endangered on release but freedom is worth that risk, if he wanted it. I don't think it will be possible in the near future to deploy the equipment, nor do I think past sentences should be effected by changes to the law, but I think he has already served 20 years, it seems unusual to hold someone to more than a life sentence, if that is the case, it essentially says reform in pirson is impossible and we have to question is this person mentally ill, or is the system just not able to correct people? I think that he wasn't deemed mentally unfit so I think that we need to really question the circumstances of his extended imprisonment. I think most is just senstationalization by the media, and the broad awareness of the case. Crimes happen every day, confinements and sexual abuse are not unheard of, they are actually relatively common occurences. If it wasn't murder then it probably would not have gotten as much attention, and I weigh his statements higher on the fact that he wasn't the source of the the murders based upon his confessions about other rapes. He is a shoein for rapist but I don't think he was really about murder, take forinstance the one would be rape that resisted, he didn't kill he, he fled. "Patrick LeSage decided jurors would watch and hear, while those in the public gallery, including the press and families, need only hear the audio only."

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Its not like he was raping people on the street in view of other people or shooting women so they couldn't get away. He also didn't kill his victims - as far as we know - until the circumspect issue arrises with the death of Karla's sister. Although I think that the murders would have occured under the influence of Karla, I also think perhaps that the "beyond rape" issues may have been influenced by her also. I am suprised that he would admit to other rapes, but deny the murders. Why deny one crime and admit to others if they both carry the maximum penalty? I havn't heard about him acting out or raping people in prison. I think all convicts should be monitored by a technological network that is roled out to assist policing and national security. Sure it would cost but the convicts should pay the cost. I do think innocent people get caught but tracking data would also better help understand why criminals recommit etc.. Sensor networks are not as expensive as they once were. The cost of keeping someone in prison for a year vs. them being out would cover much of the cost of setting up the grid. Sensors cost dollars these days. Prison labour could even make them. They'd like the lower cost, it would cost them less in the long run. Exactly I'm a skeptic. I think there are two types of facts, Plausible, and Experential. Both can be true or false, but plausible facts are social facts or secondary personal facts as secondary source or beyond. Experential Facts are much more trusted because you experienced them yourself as a primary source experience.

Although my first post was lost due to the screen flipping back - I'll rehash what I just wrote. -Wages should be tied into CLI regionally -Boards should be tasked with raising teachers income beyond a provincial share -tax benefits for teachers who do not have a full time position should be given - Rae Days were good and saved billions - Login Days would be like Rae Days with 1 day a week being development or alternative programming days that called for a reduced staff load for that day. Activities like having community organizations come into the schools and expose students to real world issues, field trips to local history sites, tree planting and other initiatives that gave students local experiences, and exposures, with a reduced staffing requirement due to community involvements. Having one day a week a special event would also make school more enjoyable and it doesn't need to cost the community to host the community. -a social contract should be brought in that commits the government to X% of the budget, with funding going to X, Y, and Z. The school day could be supplimented with online learning activities, and videos that are supervised by less teachers, so less teaching hours and more learning hours so salaries did not increase but the amount of work done did decrease. There are lots of solutions. The fact is taxes arn't popular, and there is only so much money, a good first go would be asking teachers, where the cuts should be. But Login Days, and rearrangement of how teaching is delivered to have less teaching hours and more learning hours will breed independent learners. Using the Japanese group learning model allowing older students to help younger students, programs like book buddies, and homework groups as a basic compotent of the education system will expose students to more learning systems. I have to say it is ridiculous that he has heat from both the OMA and Teachers right now. The conservatives would be meaner so the poistioning is odd, as I can't imagine the NDP gaining 40 seats. The sad part is enough isn't being done but the Tories appear totally clueless on real needs and to me appear more and more about funneling funds rather than solving problems. I have some major issues with the Liberal Government but they actually communicate regardless of what is happening behind the scenes, other governments are much less interactive with concerns. I fear that people will not get a better deal under the Tories, and I am at a loss to what the NDP would do. It is festering but it feels like the Tories would stab deeper, and the NDP would get an worse infection but I'm likely just out of touch and don't know enough about their priorities. Looking at the NDP Platform taking the HST off hydro, why? I'd put that money into setting up ODSP and OW recipients with Microfit like projects to give them residual income in social housing projects for those willing to undertake the training, to create cheaper pubically generated electricity so hydro rates reduce and supply increases. That HST should go into programs aimed to reduce the cost of those goods and services they effect. I don't support HST but I do support industry taxes to improve industry if they are public services. Fact is electricity is a private service and that is part of the problem, that is why taking government revenue generated from the private sale, go into public control capacity building. Owned by the government and managed by would be OW and ODSP recipients. Forget about gas, fuel innovation and technological innovation, improve commuter systems. Vechiles are a waste, that most people really don't need, with better public transport systems and embrace of health implements like bicycles and ski's in communities people can be active and mobile. Only very few travelling business people really need cars or those involved in the transport sector that need to transport goods like courriers. These are already too many carbon emissions we shouldn't promote making more easier. For people in rural areas the government should set up things like grass ethanol refineries for local supply at low cost run by OW workers some staff and people who work in the cooperate growing areas get a share of the ethanol. Ethanol isn't difficult to make. Rural areas are rural. http://e85.whipnet.net/ethanol.faq/make.ethanol.html Even human waste is gas http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_5107090 The transit fare should be only effective on public systems, and those systems are few. The province does not run the TTC, nor does it run many other systems. Things like GO transit are already subsidized. You need to match all public costs with CLI including transit fairs, or atleast CCLI or the cost ofw maintaining the system and workers wages into CCLI and future acquisition and emergency / backup costs. Work should stem from OW and ODSP as far as government concerns are and they should be crown corps that first aim to reduce governmental operating costs. Private business should be left to itself, but definately Ontario businesses - Ontario First Principles should be tied into regionalism, for non monopoly industries on a lowest cost basis. The public purse should not be seen as a cash cow for private success. Public moneys should be if possible fully eliminated from private transactions. There should be no government CEO's on public payroll. crown corps should be run as agencies governmentally. The non governmental share of crown corps should be run by electoral process and non paid except as a portion of funds set aside to company wages which the CEO's should draw from, not government salary. Let people die in emergency rooms if it means more money so they get care faster. why not take out unneeded streams like crisis and open up beds to emergencies. Leave psychological issues to care workers, and beds in homes and social projects, where housing rather than medical care is provided.The last thing youshould dois drug someone in crisis, to do so is a failure of communication. Dangerous people should be in jail psych and vegetables should be in intensive care. Kill psych care and divert that to emergency, which hospitals should largely be for. Ambulance use needs to be examined, some ambulance uses should be a fee others should not. Operating costs and workload need to be taken into consideration. Having more capable service vehicles such as better trained policein extended cruisers for urban patrol to act as emergency medical. Fees for gas and repairs and staff time for non emergency transport are reasonable when a bus or taxy are there. If people have hardship then it is more reasonable but using ambulances as public taxi system could be left to collectivos. I don't know what they are consulting so I can't comment. But they may need help. Balancing the budget isn't enough, the deficit needs to be cleansed and the debt purged. It is better for the government build new homes as old homes are too costly and inefficient habitat and new social housing projects should be undertaken, with a portion of homes sold to pay for the program. Lets be real even though homeowners don't want to pay for their homes, it is a cost of life. People wait for years, and people without money on social assistance have their costs up to in some cases $20,000 or so covered, eco energy also exists. Loans for federal programs like ecoenergy would be prudent. Cycles don;'t need infrastructure there are already roads, invest in drivers knowing how to drive and crack down on the jerks, with a public transit system and less people on the road conditions should be better. Get auto workers to make buses and smaller vehicles, less mass less cost of production and less energy to move them. I think a loan repayment plan is good, total forgiveness is a little much but paydown into the debt for those who stay in ontario to service under serviced areas (not specifically rural areas) is showing the longer they stay the more debt is paid down, its not like they can't pay anyway but the commitment is a bonus. I'd like to see student loans revised into lifetime alumni payments. so current students end up paying for future students loans since there may always be more students and more past students the funds available will always increase, and retroactively the amount could decrease with the more former students paying into it, it also removes the need to borrow public funds, and students taking loans should hopefully respect that type of arrangement since they benefited from it. It would also be tied to income levels such as 2% or something like thatto fund the system. More social housing is needed end landlord slavery. The government shouldn't be funneling to landlords, it should be building affordable hosing, as rent costs keep increasing, thepublic shouldn't be paying landlords to babysit renters, we need people to build homes. Nothing against landlords but rents are too high for people in poverty depending on programs like OW. I think dental and eyecare should be part of OHIP, but OHIP should be a self paying program rather than tax funded, only people in poverty should be given basic care with a graduation of theportion of the fee for people under the poverty line to the middle income threshold.

There are three possible Candidates for the byelection that need to be decided on still. Eric a councillor I beleive, another councillor for the ward 2 universities area, and a police seargent with the municipal police I think it may be the woman or eric as they seem to be the most political I don't know about Raj but he may be a capitulation to insure that Fife beat the Tory. There is a massive vote split brewing that may give the tories the seat, but I think that perhaps McGuinty is possitioning for Fife but my analysis is not very informed.

Once again you are refering to information that is under a publication ban and as such we don't know. Perhaps you should be silent since it is under a publication ban. ex. "Through their counsel, the families maintained that their constitutional rights would be violated if the tapes were shown to the public." " I am satisfied that the harm that flows from the public display of this videotape far exceeds any benefit that will flow from the exposure of sexual assault and child pornography. When I refer to harm , I am not suggesting that individual members of the public need to be protected from the harm that may flow from viewing these videotapes.... By harm , I am referring to the injury that most likely will be occasioned upon the surviving members of these three young girls if the videos are played in open Court. The families will suffer tremendous psychological, emotional and mental injury if the evidence, as the Crowndescribed it ... is publicly displayed " "In any case, the appellate court did not disturb the trial judge's destruction order. Accordingly, the final stage in the videotape saga occurred when the families of the victims witnessed the incineration of the videotapes late in December 2001." "Sparing the families further and undue suffering was compassionate in the circumstances. The video order also spared public suffering, and avoided implicating the criminal justice system in the unwilling distribution of child pornography"

It is all hearsay. I don't trust the media or courts to tell the truth, and I have little interest in researching rape and murder. I've read about torture in the past and wars, Bernardo likely pales in comparison. Lots of women get violated the way Bernardo is affilliated, they wern't outrageous or sensationalized when it was just knife point rapes. That goes on probably every day with less fanfare, just another rape victim. He is demonized even if the crimes ascribe to him are inhumane acts. It is all hearsay. I havn't spoken to him nor do I know him personally so I can make a statement on my impression of him, nor have I been in contact with him for an extended period of time so likewise I cannot offer informed comment. Prejudgement and acting on preindoctrinated cultural bias is not how I undertake my opinions. There are lots of pervs out there unreported date rape has been prevalent, likewise rape among and by minors is also prevalent in some areas. The murder was rational although valuing life lower than ones own personal liberty, the government has the same position. The government also rapes the public of their tax dollars. It is not the same and I'm not condoning the acts, but guys are indoctrinated to view women as sex objects, it is the mainstream medias fault for teasing peoples minds with that. He is Canadian made, and rape is not unheard of with other names put next to it. In this case you just get to watch it because it was recorded. I would say thats no different than taking court records, its evidence. Why kill the victim and keep the evidence if you are trying to hide the evidence, it wasn't about that I am geussing. Like I said though it is all hearsay and I won't form my actual opinion of someone based upon the media and courts as they are subject to falsehood. That information can be used but it is not a trusted source. There are people out there that watch hardcore porn and worse sexual predators than Bernardo he just has a Canadian hashtag next to him as a poster boy for sexual predator. He ain't the only one and using his name is a misnomer, especially bearing a publication ban on his case. People who are shooting up people in toronto street wars get media attention for a few days and you never hear of them again. What is purported is unfortunate but you won't effect my view with your mainstream banter, it is an unsound and irrational position. Families can grieve but I didn't know those people and ruining another persons life should not be an outlet to remove their grief that is a wrong psychology unhealthy and socially damaging. Bernardo didn't have his citizenship stripped so he should still be treated equally and enjoy the same fundamental rights and priveleges as the constitution entails even bearing that he is still in Canadian jurisdiction if so and should enjoy the same benefits granted by the jurisdiction otherwise it is corruption. Here is a far more interesting read http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/02/11/12845766-qmi.html If you havn't read it yet give Herodotus the Histories a read.

No as I said after 7 1/2 years of good behaviour I would put them into a coed work camp otherwise the period would be longer based upon their period of good behaviour. The first stretch is 5 years the second in medium for 2 1/2 (in remote Northern Canada). Minimum security camps would still be secured and my minimum does not mean they can walk away, since I would implement security nets and deploy CF for external security minimum only refers to the characteristics of the settlment being more or less a town with check points and sensor perimiter composed of a/v feeds and microwave barriers etc.. In all honesty I think that only a few months should be sufficient to determine if someone is a real threat. I strangely don't think Bernardo is, I think based upon the media he is a sexual predator. I'd also hope that "brother sites" would see some convicts stay and continue to work in the North to reduce their chance of harmful recidivism. There are lots of sexual predators out there, we need to arm and track people. The fact that there would be enhanced monitoring of all convicts on graduation of their prior security placement would reduce the oppourtunity of reoffence dramatically due to superior use of tracking technologies. I really don't know the specifics of Bernardo's case though but he is someone I would have monitored by the grid on release as all sexual predators would be. The gird is a novel low cost computer ai assisted tracking system that would track things like speeding movement of foreigners, movement of convicts through a novel system of biometric ID's a/v technologies and other sensor systems. The system itself would be maintained financially by foreigners visiting canada due to a security fee /desposit, foreing residencey fees and part of the crime costs levy. It would be backed up by onsite human auditing by national security partners such as police and other professionals who have levels of access to the data. "Normal people" would not be as heavily monitored in their movements and activities and not on priority awareness. You would be suprised what a grid deployed tracking system can do these days. Being permanently under monitoring and surveillance on release dramatically reduces the chance of recidivism, bear in mind I'm not saying interfere with their lives but I am saying that prudent security would be undertaken on their release. The knowledge of being monitored for life would likely reduce many psychological tendencies, especially when for lesser offenders recommiting means a higher level placment next time basically due to peoples life spans it is more or less a three strikes system. But it aims to move people over to work camps where they have income and priveleges, the only real difference is it puts them where other people don't want to go but they have many percs. I don't think punishment should be part of human behaviour, constructive actions should be undertaken, God will punish, but if you are going to ruin the social fabric it would require massively inhumaine torture that is a violation of human rights, cruel and unusual punishment can only be reserved for after they die, humans should care for one another in life, but this does not mean trusting one another. Sheeps in wolves dens best be prudent. The grid would also monitor for specific data such as HELP,signs of fire, or other flags such as riot formation movements, gunshots. While it won't stop all crime it should increase awareness for first responders in public places and participating private properties that opt to link into the grid, or private security firms who opt to link into the grid. People die all the time, families need to cope, its not like we are throwing soldiers or cops in jail who kill people. That pain will not end whether they are in jail or out anyway. Life is short, you may think it is not but it ain't. It is here and gone. If they can't leave it to god to punish or kill the person for their acts then they are conflicted anyway. It is not healthy to seek vengeance and deprivation of personal liberty of other humans.It doesn't benefit society to do that. Vengeance is not a good emotional state to hold, it will destroy humanity to do so. I think the bombing of a civilian apartment complex leading to the maiming of people is a far worse crime than murdering two rape victims and copious acts of sexual assault and rape. Frankly Bernardo wasn't particularly sadistic in his self commited rapes, it only went to murder under the presence of his wife apparently and it was her as far as the media reports that illicited him to commit acts against her sister and encourage the Ontario rapes and murders. I am not someone who has never been outraged but I know that simply killing people that upset you is not healthy mentally. Likewise for me to go out and forcibly confine others is not very healthy either, the state doing the same thing needs to be done under the auspice of benefit through protecting criminals from vigilantism and improving their lives so if they choose to reintegrate with society as beneficial members of society. There are lots of people I would torture and kill if I let my darker side prevail. I think that compassion is the key whether that compassion be giving them the option of death or by protecting them from the general population. The fact is if they are so dangerous why the hell are they put in with other humans that are under the governments custody and care? Being libertarian I think the people should have the power and equal rights to government, but that government should be reasonable and act for the benefit of the people. I don't support the idea of unwarrantably endangering the public whether convict or not, the key is making the best life possible for everyone. We are all human. Just killing everyone you don't like is not a healthy action, and really is only something that should be considered in the most extreme cases, it is martial law and war if you are in that state. We should have dialogue for constructing society not removing humanism from it. If you havn't been in jail your opinion is not valid for how people should be treated and being put in jails. Or at the very least much less valid. Jails really arn't effective at doing anything but jacking up taxes. Secure confinement should only be a last resort where a clear and present danger exists. I don't think many of the criminals in jail are clear and present dangers so their imprisonment is contrary to the principles of humane behaviour and treatment that has been so fundamental since the first law codes. I know my experiences only took a very pacifistic and loving person and turned them to someone instilled with hate, outrage and fury at the abuses of the system. My minimal experiences filled me with a seed of hate, and destroyed the underlying sense of humanity that grounded me prior to those experiences, I am disgusted you would suggest that as a norm for people who are in the justice system processes. I support killing other people as a result of my experiences out of compassion to free them from victimization. I think the families issues are psychological, I'm not saying have tea with them, but Dane law put blood for money, there have been worse systems that treated things differently. The parents should realize they will die soon too and then if they have faith they will be with their children again. They can kill the guy if they want if he is in public and that should be enough if there pain is so great. We value life to highly, just let people kill off the bad people if they feel so strongly about it, let them do the time if so. Life, murder, rape and maiming cannot be balanced with jailtime, crimes do not equal time. The key I need to stress that seeking to destroy people is not healthy and we should not embrace it. We should be guided by compassion and seeking the best outcome for all, for some that may be remote work placement. Jail doesn't help, except clear and present dangers. Elements of crime are more than the person, but the opportunity is a very important element to consider.

Ok, they are lazy or stupid. Stupidity in part has to do with a lack of interest or awareness of the posibilities of expanding their horizons. Failing that they are greedy and want more than what they need. If people can accept the bottom everything above them given is a bonus. Sure a lot is circumstancial I'll give you that, as there are people with clubs batting down the sharks so they can steer the ship and get the booty, but I don't think the entire economy is controlled, there is some room, but to be honest if you want to get into business why not go for an MBnA. Lots of people have started from humble roots and been successful, there is no saying that someone cannot if circumstances provide. Personally I abhor capitalism and materialism, likewise I dread forced socialization- but not to give it away am generally a Libertarian in my political beleifs - but don't rest there as there seem to be many different flavours of Libertarians. None the less it is harsh world, there are many issues but people arn't forced to work for other people, and they always have the exit they can take if they don't want to work for someone else, it is their choice fact is business is providing services, why not start with yourself and expand from there.

First off due to a publication banI don't know the specifics of Bernardo's crimes. Second off I consider intentional aggravated rape to be on par with murder torture and maiming as some of the most serious capital offences. As you want me to view Bernardo as what was sensationalized by the Media, if I were set to hand down a sentance it would be a prison work colony site for 10 years with good behaviour reduction to minimum security after 5, and 2 1/2 years later with good behaviour reduction to a coed low security work camp settlement with 6 months of good behaviour allowing release into the public. So a 8 year sentence minimum however without good behaviour it would be indefinate. On release he would be monitored for life as part of a security grid established, and he would have release conditions such as paying into the crime costs levy all convicts pay into for life, not reoffending, and being of good behaviour. The second option allowed would be the option of death which would be his allowance to take or not if he felt work camps or life in prison were not his palette. The other option was to serve a life sentence in prison which all prison sentences for capable people would be if they chose not to participate in the work camp system or prison works programs. Failure to be self sustaining such as holding employment would require him to return to a level 1 camp as a non convict labourer if he did not participate in other federal or provincial work programs which would insure stability in lifestyle provided he was not independently wealthy as a result of savings - over the previous 8 years of employment, which a portion would be stipended into a stability fund to pay his costs during his intial release period. Prison is just taking up peoples time it is a waste of resources. People arn't different in prison, they are just basically on a ship. I've been in jail before and it is just a day camp. The only thing I learned (and all those times for non conviction based reasons) was that gaurds and the systems are prone to be abusive while inmates are generally friendly with one another. (however violence is very possible especially due to socialized forces that are survival mechanisms due to racial camping, which is actually destructive in creating rascists in prison and putting that back into society at large - the main factor is mixing non criminals with dangerous offenders who are psychologically programmed, and need to be brainwashed before they can be reintroduced to general population violent offenders are better being sent into the military so they can channel their violence into constructive actions) People in jail are predominantly nice people that break the rules for various reasons but they arn't really bad if their life is managed, if you expect to release someone and expect them to manage themselves after being treated like a toddler for x period of time it is failure by design. A work camp settlement based system will better be effective at being productive building work experience and skills and reducing the costs. Take the 5 billion dollar mine set to open in remote Northern Ontario.. why not send prisoners as miners give them fair wages, and take part of that money to helpthem out after. Instead you have people sitting in cells eating and watching TV it is nonsense. Being someone who has been falsely accused I have no trust in the justice system, as stated by a cop on the exit of one of my cases - the system ain't perfect. Examples of camp settlements would be remote resource extraction sites, agroforestry management mining, northern fisheries and sustainable northern economic development, Northern Oil Rig work etc.. It is startling that in some northern communities sex abuse in native families is reported as being normative rather than exceptional. http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/pi/rs/rep-rap/2008/rr08_1/p1.html It is startling this chain of thought leads to the notion that government backed priests raped and abused more people than Bernardo with many dying as a result of the program, has Canada gotten life for the forced abduction, molestations, and abuses of their victims both living and dead? If you talk about abuses to be corrected the government ought to start with its own abuses before claiming they are in right when they are instead the plight. If you have ever been to jail, I know one of the first experiences I was faced with was having my wrists sliced for resisting being masked as I wasn't given the reason, that being risk of TB if there was no mask. The same illness that killed so many at the residential schools. The first thing I don't want to face on being taken into custody is being told that my life is being endangered by being held there. How is that responsible governance for someone not even yet judged or sentenced?

This is probably the wrong forum as it is more political theory based rather than federal in scope but I have comments regarding income sharing between the worker and the man. It really doesn't matter. What matters is purchasing power parity or atleast the ability to meet the cost of living index, in regard to being able to afford the cost of living. Businesses don't have living needs in the same way, you could create a CCLI or corporate cost of living, and realize that in Canada we are competeing with global businesses for export and domestic markets, against powerhouses like China and the US, as such in order for our domestic economy not to be eroded we must have income for protectionistic measures to sustain national corporations from foreign competition. What is more revealing would be the income share of foreign companies and national companies (majority owned by Canadians) as well as the amount of national products bought as opposed to imports. This is far more revealing of the health of the domestic economy. After cost of living, life style is open game, but the cost of lifestyle is depedent on what media defines as luxury for a given culture or subculture, to appease their sufficiency in their lifestyle, for some that may have very little monetary value and may be more tied to nature or community. Part of the issue is bias toward materialism which creates waste, as junk luxury is not a benefit, it is a loss. Many people would not even need a car, but they are indoctrinated by socializing forces such as media to value cars so they buy cars even if they offer no economic advantage to them, or even a loss for them. If you don't like your pay get a new job or start a business. I'm not pro labour because ultimately it is an individuals choice to work for someone or not, if they do obviously they are getting a better deal than if they weren't if they realize that choice and can maturely do a cost benefit analysis of their employment situation. Either god will provide or you will be closer to god. Most need far less than they have. Materialistic capitalism is gluttony for excess. Labour and production should be tied to fullfilling needs, determining needs is one part culture and one part psychology. If labour ain't makin it they arn't buyin it. Don't take the lower wage and maybe someone else might not, it doesn't take a union but someone might need less resulting in less overproduction and less waste production due to restrained ability for an excess lifestyle creating cultural efficiency. Is excess sustainable? Is it beneficial, can everyone have it all? Someones got to make it, and if you can't make it yourself, someone is getting short changed. The question that remains, is do they have excess, and if so, does it matter? Labour isn't loosing, go to the third world and think again. Canada has excess. I can eat more from my lawn than people in Somolia have been faced with. Do you have food on the table, is their flour and rice on you store shelves that you can afford? https://www.wfp.org/donate/sahel-freerice-banners?utm_source=freerice.com&utm_medium=banners_549x90&utm_campaign=fr_sahel The real crisis is boomer retirement and pension lifestyle, there will be jobs for the youth, but domestic mechanization is not being tooled to provide materials for the boomers. What will they buy? At this rate it will be expensive food, that is being inflated due to demand from export markets. This from Florida. http://tinyurl.com/8jzazrd The dependence on petrofertalizers and post peak oil inflation might even jepordize a chunk of that food supply. There is no labour crisis there are only lazy people who are not trained to provide for their wants themselves. Use your resources to make more if you want more, rather than depending on a handout from someone managing your life. Working for someone else is only a good undertaking if they are working for you and giving you the best deal possible. Employment is a business contract. Don't take the deal if it ain't the best one.

No punishment rests with vengeful masochists and archaic minded individuals. Justice is about compassion not ruin. If you ascribe to ruining society to heal society you are tainted with a false beleif system that is destructive rather than beneficial to society. I don't see how it is any different an individual has the empowerment to accept or not to accept a judgement and to be part of a society and thus bound to its law, or independent and their own state even if that means a breach of the peace, an individual has the defence of protection of their life as a fundamental of justice, the only question is honour in the way in which that is undertaken and rightfulness of actions as judged by their peers. I don't understand where you get your position from or why you support your position. Punishment does not correct it only instills fear or hate. Hardening individuals against govermental order is only setting up civil war or what would be deemed terrorism by a subnational person or a crime if not viewed correctly. It doesn't improve quality of life, on that principle if you expect eye for eye then you deserve an even greater 1000 fold response to your actions it is destructive until you or they are gone. The criminal code is changed all the time, most notably massively in 2001. Referenda are rare. Massive changes to the justice system were done by the Conservatives over the last few years unless you have been sleeping. Frankly the system is corrupt and wrong in its practices, it instills hate and contempt of governmental authority and incites revolt. Good government and the right to rule rests with benefits provided to society in that rule, rule by force alone with no benefit to society is occupation.

Yes often one hears only about soldiers killed rather than casualties or civillians killed. The indirect effects such as sanctions on Iraq leading to the death of over 1 million Iraqis, not to mention the equivolent of a medium sized Canadian City being whiped out. http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ Even Iraq body count neglects quality of life degradation, indirect illness, orphans, and disability. Take for instance DU rounds and other toxic waste left by the military. While I think war history at a non post secondary level focuses on the battles and major developments, the reality of war is often obscured, and the effects burried for fear of an unwillingness to invade other states with undesired policies or practices.

It is stories like Battletoads presents as well as ones such as this http://www.opinion250.com/blog/view/25188/1/enbridge+and+the+black+spots+of+the+leopard+-+part+3 that show that BC should operate its pipeline in a joint venture (with first nations approval and stakeholding) as Enbridge has shown itself to have a bad safety record, It is not that they won't leak it is that once they are leaking before too long it will stop and the only ill is a bunch of lethal toxins falling into the environment that will kill anything exposed and cause serious health defects in any humans effected which will cost the tax payers millions.

The government could realize cost savings by having their materials produced by idle labour. Unemploymemt is caused by a lack of demand not a lack of money. It only becomes an issue when supply is lacking. Every point of efficiency whether governmental or private sector realizes a stronger economy. A privately supplied public is a public without liberty. It is a factor, there are material reasons, there are emotional reasons and there are circumstantial reasons. Crimes are only crimes because a judge says they are. One must remove all the factors to remove crime. Catching a crime ain't stopping a crime, so what good is that other than with serial crimes.

Ottawa shouldn't have to pay for programs, they should be providing employment and access to outside resources, and community based organizations to provide programs. They should be providing basic needs amd access to employment, training and other programs provided to Candians, engineering failure is just backward. But no they shouldn't pay for it, if prisoners want programming they should pay for it with the employment income, and work be it agricultural or resource extraction or manufacture, R&D or otherwise should be provided. Only the disabled and those in training should get loans. The systems need to be opened up more instead of a lockdown and the good seperated from the bad apples.