killjoy

gerry you're a straight up Troll. You started this thread to Troll, just like you started your "I-heard-someone-on-the-radio-call-some-Taliban-moderates-I-bet-that-pisses-you-all-off" thread just to troll, and you just couldn't wait to start. You're a juvenile brat. It's plain to see. .

Still brainwashed from commercials from last election insinuating Harper would have American troops in the streets. They've been playing that tune so long no one even hears it anymore. .

Well even though he's saying stuff I agree with, what Hiller says here is just so much rhetorical cheerleading. To be expected. But this: Yep. Afghanistan is not Iraq. Say it over and over again until everyone gets it. .

That would be so much more compelling if "Canadains" in this case didn't about to a total of you. .

Serves you right for putting his PM's on 'ignore'. We should've left them open and just compiled them into a book. .

Probably the third or forth most ridiculous thing I've ever seen written here. The "Cons" and the "Libs" do not need a scare tactic to try and drive people from voting NDP, and even if they did I certainly don't. Layton's walls don't quite make it to the ceiling. .

Only for the insane. I've been stating the same for years. The reason it doesn't 'vindicate' Layton is that he rambled incoherently for forty subjects and tried his best to string them all together like he knew up from down. He constantly rants as though he was simply throwing a bunch of sh!t in the air hoping something would stick. That he happened, while rummaging through his lost-in-the-attic-treasure-trunk of a consciousness, to mention something that gerry "heard on the radio"...something many people have suggested in one relative form or another, (unless my reader thinks that 'talking' just means talking and there weren't a wide nebulous range of meanings that could have), is hardly evidence that he ever had a clue. The man is clearly nuts to anyone who has met a schizophrenic on the streets and looked into their eyes while listening to them ramble. The similarities are uncanny. Wide saucer eyes…chin defiantly held upwards one moment and down so low his chin is resting on his chest the next…the constipated smile of a person who is wondering if what he just said makes sense even to him and the frozen stance of a deer in the headlights. If he isn't mad as a hatter he should at least become aware he appears so and should maybe address it. .

lol. Talk about trolling! "Duh, I 'eard it on the radio!" BTW - you spell crowd with a dubiya, eh? It doesn't 'vindicate' Jack Layton in the least. Jack is crazy. You don't need to be a shrink to see it you can just look in the dude's eyes. He was blithering everything and anything so long as he still had everyone's attention and in the process knocked his party back another ten years. Kudos. Having said that there is only one good reason to negotiate with the Taliban as opposed to say Iraqi insurgents or al Qaeda and that's that it is a homogeneous organization that can could actually carry out an agreement if one is reached. Al Qaeda or insurgencies can't make that guarantee. They simply don't have enough control of their underlings. Having said that I really don't hold out much hope of anything substantial coming of this. I really don't think the Taliban would agree to our terms and I don't believe they could offer terms we could agree with. We'll see. .

The misunderstanding was reasonable. There was no harm done and no offence taken. I would not begin to argue the meaning of the confederate flag beyond the principal that it has nothing to do with Canada...in short the fact that it's American and not Canadian offends my sensibilities, but I agree: it is no basis to support white supremacy leanings. It's a mere trifle in terms of a complaint to me. your points about the flag are well received. The contention of white supremacy connections accusation is made from comments and actions done by certain individuals and tacitly approved of by commanders. Again I stress: it did only boil down to a few, but a few in the right places within a company can make a big difference. The former CO knew of these problems and was not permitted opportunity to act on them. They should not have been disbanded but there were definitely individuals that needed to be replaced. Unfortunately those individuals represented some of their best in terms of skills and experience. That's what I meant when I said the 'best of them were white supremacist'. But again I should've been clearer about the one company and not painted the whole regiment in that fashion. Perhaps less bombastic speech would’ve been clearer as well. Probably the latter, but I should point out that '82 was way before my time. Cheers. .

This is an interesting tactic. It can't backfire. The truth will come out: that this incident was the fault, mostly, of the Liberal gov't. They tried to leave it to the Americans thinking if it ever came back to them they could blame the US. They washed their hands of Arar right from the beginning and that's the point at which the injustice starts here, not the US. So here Harper gets to win points for standing up to Bush (against all accusations of being like Bush) but when the truth comes out he can turn around and just blame the Liberals (where blame deserves to reside). .

Hmm. Seems nobody wants to play now. Krusty I probably should've been more specific when I used the term 'unit' as to mention that the entire regiment should not be painted in this fashion. I did say that I thought the regiment shouldn't have been disbanded, that was supposed to be the caveat. Perhaps it wasn't clear enough. Perhaps also my reference to Stalanistic purges is too easy to misconstrue. I was simply being me, which includes a little exaggeration. The regiment as a whole were not guilty of these incidents and the white supremiscts I speak of were limited to the one coy., but that company was rife with them, including officers. Your experiences in Signals coy may not have provided you with that vision of them that I have seen but it was most certainly a serious problem. Once again: Krusty is right insomuch as I shouldn't have made the entire regiment out like racists. This wasn't my intention. .

Uh huh. That's nice. I've been an infantryman for 3 PPCLI for close to 15 years now. Currently Combat SP Coy. I've earned the right to call it as I see it. Seems someone needs a reminder. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia_Affair .

I'm gonna say this really slowly so there's no mistake in what I'm saying: They. Illegally. Detained. A mere hungry teenager. Put cigarettes out on his feet. And beat him to near to death. Then left him there to scream. Until by morning. He finally died. At which time they were heard to remark: "We can't leave now." "We haven't killed enough niggers yet". It goes much deeper than a confederate flag (although im not sure why any flag beyond the Canadian one would be in their possession). They had definite links to Alberta white supremacist groups. They thought of the regiment as their own personal army of M.F'ers who could do whatever they wanted and viewed the Canadian government (and Canadians) with contempt. I am completely unaware of any schools this regiment built or any police they trained. Obviously I could be wrong here, I dunno for sure. Somalia was a cluster#uck that made zero progress. I wore a blue helmet there and sat and watched as food was handed out while the media filmed it, then after the media packed up and left so did the food....off to play the shell game with the media elsewhere. So ther I am all of 21 years old and watching people who traveled for days to get food now denied and looking at me. What was my duty? To write all that down. What became of that report? Nothing. More would've been accomplished if we were shovelling water. It's true it only came down to a few members but many of the ranks were rife with them. I agree they should not have disbanded the Regiment. But they most certainly needed to disband many who were in there. Just sayin'.

Ah yes. The Navy and their hazing routines. They do have a flare for the homoerotic. .

That's a good thunk. Although I'm not so sure I wouldn't replace the word 'trust' with 'rely'. I just don't think there's much he can really do without getting his throat cut. Pakistani intellegence service: So nice to see your children out pace your wildest imagination in terms of success. I think I might have a tub of creamcheese in the fridge that's gonna out live him. .

Better to not disturb the JTF while they convalesce in their fortresses of solitude. They're too busy deciding what to do with HALF of the 10 billion Mr. Martin gave them. We might have to make do with our sniper-- opps, sorry, our 'recce units' who were humping the hills harder than the US mountain units or their rangers or their special-f###in'-forces during Tora-Bora, Anaconda, et. al. Yeah break the world record combat sniper shot for distance more than three times in a day and people still scream for the glorious "Elite" Airborne Unit as if they were the only ones who ever took a walk off a plane at night. It was definitely a knee-jerk reaction to disband them, that was unecessary, but if there were ever a group of dimwits and ne'er-do-wells who needed a Stalinist-style purging it was that unit. They did not do Canadians proud. The best of the bunch were white supremacists and frankly I don't need to sit beside those guys while I'm shitting. We don't need "better' soldiers or weapons. What we need is a new weapon. An anti-bullsh!t weapon we can use back here at home. If NATO loses in Afghanistan it won't be the mighty Taliban, it'll be the mighty BS. .

Fair enough. You have no idea how good it makes me feel to hear you say that. You've restored my one thread of faith. Thank you. I was like, "Is it crazy in here or is it just me?" My handle shouldn't be killjoy. It should be Howard Beale. I hate the media. I hate 'em. I hate 'em. i hate 'em. Not for nothin' but it should be noted that if you are wounded there are all kinds of benefits and bonuses that kick in depending on your need. The needs of the CF are fairly small. It's really not that hard to spend lots of money to those who are wounded. It's not like we have 50000 of them or something like the US. They are not simply 'forgotten' by a long shot. .

The most important quote in the entire article: 11 years this has been the policy. Why then does the 'Honorable' Dan McTeague and the Globe and Mail say this: Why does he use the phrase "will no longer"? Who is he trying to BS? Well all of us of course. Now THIS is LEAVERAGING POLITICAL SUPPORT by USING the TROOPS. And the Headline says this: "Adding insult to injury? Wounded soldiers have pay cut" Again with the media BS! There has been no change. This has always been the policy. When it was formed in 1995, who made the policy? Liberals. Now who's whining and L Y I N G about this policy, by trying to make it sound like it's a new policy by this new government and is representing a cut in pay, which it isn't since we're talking about a BONUS in pay to begin with? There is no story here. No change. No unfairness to the wounded. No pay "cut" at all. This is 100% fabrication and slight of hand. More typical Liberal mealy-mouthed whining and BS. Smoke and mirrors and the Globe is all too willing to go along with it. For the record I know the G&M have a fancy look and a neat-o name, but they are the worst rag in the country, even more than the National Post. They might as well be the Sun. Anyone buying this story has only themselves to blame. All ya gotta do is read to see through the BS here. .

I know. I believe you. You ask too many questions to not be smart. .

Yeah sure. That's the plan alright gerry. 'specially when you over-simplify. .

Bradco No i didn't need to be so nasty. I get grumpy after years of this stuff. Clearly I lumped you into a larger group that I identify and feel much more combative towards. Your measured response in the face of said hostility is respectable. I won't forget it. .

Yes well it's been well established how selective your memory can be. http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/rwb.nsf/db900S...nt&RSS20=02 http://www.w4wafghan.ca/fundraising/breaki...oolTorched.html Yeah that doesn't sound like terrorism at all. You guys are idiots. Really no other word for it. An open mind and 30 seconds research would show you all you need to know but you're all to dishonest or stupid for that. Take your pick. The responses to this are going to keep me on the edge of my seat. I really can't wait to see what people come up with next. What bizarre rationales will we use to smother this story? "Oh well they didn't know those girls were in the school", "Oh well you know: a school can be a military target too.", or how about the ol' "Oh this is just the CIA dressed as Taliban to give those nice guys a bad name" .

No. He wasn't quoted like you or I would quote each other here. He had a question answer session with some reporters and they or the editors picked out the best parts to tell the story that's expected of them. Really no different than the way intelligence agencies do it and we can all see how much the truth of a situation matters to them. They weren't able to leave the base. Today? Yesterday? Tomorrow? permanently? In this area? For the time being? For certain projects? ArmyGuy's lying? Aren't you the guys that are always saying stuff like 'critical thought starts with questioning'? Unfortunately that requires visualization, which requires imagination and self-scrutiny, which is not only in short supply in our society but what is left is otherwise spent on conspiracies in flagrant disregard for probabilities (Occam). It means multiplying by B.S. factor which is something people never do if the story is in line with their perception. Like I say, I could point this out until I'm blue in the face. Who's gonna listen to a guy on the Internet? You've got some creampuff in Toronto who writes in the News Paper and he knows what worth it and what isn't. What have I got that can compete with that? Well not enough time that's for sure. How ironic that if I strapped dynamite to my chest, walked in to a cafe, had my say for witnesses and blew myself up people would probably start thinking about it because it'd be on the front page for the next week. The medium is the message. .

Why bother? Bradco's clearly being dishonest here. That the Taliban are terrorists and deliberately attack civilians is not a debate but a clear understood fact by everyone on either side of the "should-we-be-there" debate. Claiming anything less is a silly semantic argument. He know's he's wrong and is simply arguing for augments sake now. I mean he's going to sit there and actively, conveniently forget all the threats of, and acts of deliberately attacking civilians that have been splashed all over the front page for the last 10 years. (yeah 10 years). Someone like that is clearly not worth credence. .

That's your projection. Just because they can't find us on a map doesn't mean they think we're below them, it shows they don't think at all about us. Guys like America1 are the exception, but he has an obvious compulsion of some sort. Maybe his dog was run over by someone with canuk license plates I dunno, but if most Americans were asked what they think of Canada they'll get this look on their face like a deer caught in the headlights because they don't have a clue what you're talking about and they'll utter a standard "They seem like nice people" and that'll be it. .