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  1. carepov
    Yes we do have choices. For starters: -We can conserve energy -We can switch electrical generation from coal to nuclear/hydro/gas and then use more electric vehicles -We can use more geothermal for heating
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    The precedent being set by those that oppose Golden Rice is being set at 8 million and counting. http://www.allowgoldenricenow.org/ "It is surprising to me that it is often the activists who speak up in support of the scientific consensus around climate change (i.e., that there is overwhelming scientific evidence that climate change is induced by humans and is happening), who are the same activists who don’t accept the scientific consensus and evidence that shows that GM crops can be safe. Either you accept scientific consensus or you don’t; but you cannot have it both ways, accepting science that agrees with your personal philosophy and rejecting that which does not." http://irri.org/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=12682%3Aseeing-clearly-golden-rice-and-climate-science〈=en
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    First, the data is not so clear in Canada: http://www.sugar.ca/english/healthprofessionals/carboIssue16.cfm I am not sugesting that the Candian Sugar Institute should be completely trusted as a source, however they do seem to make some good points that should be considered. Second, Denmark's experience with the fat does not bode well for your argument: In October 2011, Denmark introduced a fat tax on butter, milk, cheese, pizza, meat, oil and processed food if the item contains more than 2.3% saturated fat.[25] However, in November 2012, the Danish Tax Ministry announced it would abolish the fat tax,[26] stating that it failed to change Danes' eating habits, it had encouraged cross border trading, put Danish jobs at risk and had been a bureaucratic nightmare for producers and outlets.[26][27] The proposed sugar tax plans were also scrapped.[28] Mette Gjerskov, the Danish minister of food, agriculture and fisheries, stated that "the fat tax is one of the most criticized we had in a long time. Now we have to try to improve public health by other means.” Although the tax resulted in an additional $216 million in revenue, it also led to numerous complaints from Danish retailers that their customers were taking their business to other countries, such as Sweden and Germany, to take advantage of their lower prices.[28][29] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_tax That said, I agree with the Mexican tax on soft drinks. Another suggestion is to ban all food advertising aimed at children.
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    There does seem to be a correlation: http://www.news-medical.net/health/Obesity-and-Infertility.aspx http://www.webmd.com/infertility-and-reproduction/news/20071211/obesity-linked-to-infertility-in-women
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    IMO, the right to life and health of children suffering VAD should not be "trumped".
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    Look waldo, you are the one that is selectively pulling out pieces. All I did was to follow-up on your sources and show that your claims are untrue: You claimed that Golden Rice is a technical failure: "It’s true that human nutrition research indicates that the beta carotene in Golden Rice is readily converted to vitamin A in the body, providing encouraging evidence that eating Golden Rice could help reduce vitamin A deficiency." Do you stand behind the IRRI as a valid source of information? *** Then you claimed repeatedly that the study that showns that beta carotene is taken into the body was "failed" and therefore invalid. Again, the quote below is your own source. "The reviews found no evidence of health or safety problems in the children fed golden rice; they also concluded that the study’s data were scientifically accurate and valid."
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    IMO, the purposeful obstruction of life-saving solutions is criminal.
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    "'Golden' rice is environmentally irresponsible, poses risks to human health, and could compromise food, nutrition and financial security." http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/campaigns/agriculture/problem/genetic-engineering/Greenpeace-and-Golden-Rice/#2 Lies. "If the rice gains the Philippine government’s approval, it will cost no more than other rice for poor farmers, who will be free to save seeds and replant them, Dr. Barry said. It has no known allergens or toxins, and the new proteins produced by the rice have been shown to break down quickly in simulated gastric fluid, as required by World Health Organization guidelines. A mouse feeding study is under way in a laboratory in the United States. The potential that the Golden Rice would cross-pollinate with other varieties, sometimes called “genetic contamination,” has been studied and found to be limited, because rice is typically self-pollinated. And its production of beta carotene does not appear to provide a competitive advantage — or disadvantage — that could affect the survival of wild varieties with which it might mix." http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/25/sunday-review/golden-rice-lifesaver.html?pagewanted=all&_r=2& What could be more "cost-effective" than free?
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    Greenpeace is speading lies that prevent Golden Rice from reaching children that need vitamin A. "Freedom of speach" has its limits.
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    I see your points but still do not agree. I do not agree either with your Nazi analogy, however opponenets of Golden Rice today are more like Nazi supporters in the 40's not the 30's. But again - I would never have brought up this analogy and I do not agree with it. The best analogy I can think of is that of Jehova's Witnessess that oppose blood transfutions.
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    And yet your very own source did exactly that - while there were some issues with the methodology the technical conclusions are sound. So, for the third time, what is your position, waldo? Do you agree that further work should go into the development of Golden Rice?
  12. carepov
    I'm not sure that I catch your drift, but I'll try: Criminal negligance causing death. Failing to provide the necesseties of life.
  13. carepov
    I respectfully disagree. Delaying and preventing the widespread use of Golden Rice has unnecessarily allowed VAD affect millions of children. This is a crime.
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    I had a chance to read your earlier link you used to claim that the Tang study "failed". http://news.sciencemag.org/asiapacific/2013/09/golden-rice-not-so-golden-tufts Yes you are correct there were issues regarding the study, but: "The reviews found no evidence of health or safety problems in the children fed golden rice; they also concluded that the study’s data were scientifically accurate and valid." "German plant scientist Ingo Potrykus, who developed the first golden rice variety in the 1990s, says the controversy should not deflect attention from the study's outcome. "The study has shown that golden rice is a very effective source of vitamin A," says Potrykus, who is retired and lives in Switzerland. "That's what's most important."" When it comes to reducing VAD and preventing blindness and deaths in children you are damn right that I like the word "encouraging". Again I ask, what is your opinion: Are you in favour of conducting field trials for Golden Rice?
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    Are you in favour of conducting field trials for Golden Rice?
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    I am open minded to changing my stance and the thread title, but for now I stand behind it: "For the purpose of this Statute, "crime against humanity" means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack: (k) Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health." We believe that Greenpeace's actions during the past 14 years to prevent Golden Rice from being produced and reaching the millions of people who now suffer needlessly from vitamin A deficiency constitute a crime against humanity as defined by the Rome Statute. There is no doubt that Greenpeace and its allies are largely if not entirely responsible for the opposition to Golden Rice that has effectively blocked its cultivation and delivery to the millions of people who suffer from vitamin A deficiency. There is no doubt, given the results of clinical trials with animals, adult humans and children that Golden Rice is effective in delivering beta-carotene, the precursor to vitamin A, into human body at levels that will eliminate vitamin A deficiency. There is no doubt that the continued lack of access to Golden Rice is resulting in "great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental and physical health" and that Greenpeace's actions are "intentional", that their campaign is "a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack."" http://www.allowgoldenricenow.org/crimes-against-humanity
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    Here is a great blog entry from the IRRI: http://irri.org/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=12682%3Aseeing-clearly-golden-rice-and-climate-science〈=en
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    Sorry, I am having trouble understanding you. What does the statement: "It’s true that human nutrition research indicates that the beta carotene in Golden Rice is readily converted to vitamin A in the body, providing encouraging evidence that eating Golden Rice could help reduce vitamin A deficiency." mean to you then? I will be happy to move on to other statements and arguments and go further into why I do think that the Grenpeace is committing a crime against humanity. I just think that it is important to estabish each of our's interpretation of statement because IRRI it is a source that both of of seem to find credible and I do not think that we will find many of these.
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    Why don't you answer the question: Do you agree that the statement from the source that we both quoted says that there is a good chance that Golden Rice will help reduce VAD?
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    Bonam I, 95% agree with you. However, Mighty AC is correct that obesity is a problem, one example is the treatment of diabetes and all the complications around it. Before discussing a tax on sugar - isn't sugar production heavily subsidized? If so, why don't we eliminated the subsidies? Maybe our society has become too accepting of fat people?
  21. carepov
    OK, let's look at the entire quote again: "It’s true that human nutrition research indicates that the beta carotene in Golden Rice is readily converted to vitamin A in the body, providing encouraging evidence that eating Golden Rice could help reduce vitamin A deficiency. However, it has not yet been determined whether daily consumption of Golden Rice does improve the vitamin A status of people who are vitamin A deficient and could therefore reduce related conditions such as night blindness. If Golden Rice is approved by national regulators, Helen Keller International and university partners will conduct a controlled community study to ascertain if eating Golden Rice every day improves vitamin A status. In short, Golden Rice will only be made available broadly to farmers and consumers in the Philippines if it is approved by national regulators and shown to reduce vitamin A deficiency in community conditions. This process may take another two years or more." http://www.irri.org/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=12483:clarifying-recent-news-about-golden-rice〈=en To me, this statement says that, while there is still work to do, there is a good chance that Golden Rice will help reduce VAD. Do you agree?
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    How about, at least on this thread, we all "play the ball and not the person"? Please do not assume that I post everything thatI research and all the reasons for my belief - I prefer to keep my posts concise. Why would you (and Greenpeace) omit the sentence leading up to your quote obove? "It’s true that human nutrition research indicates that the beta carotene in Golden Rice is readily converted to vitamin A in the body, providing encouraging evidence that eating Golden Rice could help reduce vitamin A deficiency." http://www.irri.org/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=12483:clarifying-recent-news-about-golden-rice〈=en This study is one example that proves Vitamin A from Golden Rice is absorbed in to the body: http://www.goldenrice.org/PDFs/GR_bioavailability_AJCN2012.pdf If Vitamin A is absorbed into the body, it is reasonable to assume that it would cure Vitamin A defficiency.
  23. carepov
    We do often romanticize the past - when you think about it society and our leaders have made huge improvements in the last 70 years.
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    Yes. As per Amartya Sen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_as_Freedom Here you loose me. Life is very much improving in China. It would be difficult in fact to think of an example of a more dramatic increase in the stanadard of living of any country than that of China in the last 30-40 years.
  25. carepov
    Do you own a house? -Heavy equipment (excavator, cement mixer)- made in NA -Concrete for foundations - made in NA -Wood for framing - made in NA -Bricks - made in NA -Shingles or other roofing material- made in NA -Rebar and steel - ?? -Drywall - made in NA -Paint - made in NA -Insulation - made in NA -Copper pipes - made in NA -Furnace/AC - made in NA -Hot water tank - made in NA -Ducting - made in NA -Windows - made in NA -Kitchen cabinets and countertop - made in NA -Carpet - made in NA -Doors - Made in NA -Hardwood floors - made in NA -Bathtubs - made in NA -Sinks, toilets - made in China -Electical panel and breakers - made in NA -Wiring - ? -Appliances - ? -Plumbing fixtures-made in China -Lighting - made in China -Screws and hardware - made in China Do you own a car? - Made in NA/EU/Japan (yes including most parts) While this is a fun game, (kind like I spy with my little eye - some thing that was made in Canada), think about the big picture: -The value of all goods and services produced in Canada is our GDP. -Imports are 30% of GDP -62 % of imports are from the US -19 % of imports are from all developing countries combined including China And no, the USA is not a "distibutor of Chinese imports": US imports are 16% of their GDP and 19 % of US imports are from China.
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