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Marocc: 1-you are the only poster I know who has the intellectual honesty and integrity to not hide they are Muslim or their true views-I respect that; 2-I respect you have not been rude to me in responses and you probably have wanted to be but I do note you have not been and I respect that; 3-I disagree with your views but I defend your right to have them-I will challenge any that advocate extremism or violence but with respect as well you have never said anything at this time that condones terrorism or violence; 4-many of us disagree with your comments, it doesn't make you a liar; 5-Citizen is many things but not a liar-Citizen expresses heartfelt beliefs as you do I again defend Citizen as someone who can't stand some of my opinions and has shown courtesy to me and others in debates- I respect Citizen very much.

Eyeball come on. Don't undo the points you are making with the last comment. Your left view is needed in debates. It gets undermined by the name calling. I am responsible to for doing that. I am no better than you but we gotta cool it sometimes. I debate a lot of people on the right and they don't name call me. I respect that.

Argus that's it? You found some ungrateful refugee? And? What is your point? exactly? What does pointing out when an individual is a shmuck, prove anything other than that individual is a shmuck?...if in fact they are actually a shmuck.. Have a nice day and thanks for sharing.

I defend your right and Dialamah's to say before we point a finger in a way that defames all Muslims in Canada we be clear in what we say not to incite hatred against innocent people who happen to be Muslim or look Muslim. I take responsibility if I have done it in any posts it is not my intent when challenging extremism including Islamic extremism.

I just read from QueenMandy who I trust and I will keep reading but she claims 12 jets were in the air prior to the Ukrainian jet which makes a huge difference. It means an all clear was given by civil authorities and Ukrainian Airlines would not be liable. It also makes sense because I can not imagine a Station Manager or Pilot clearing the flight without an all clear. It just did not make sense. If what she says is true, its a tragic mistake which Iran has to take responsibility for otherwise they should not have given an all clear and let flights back up. I can see how it was a mistake. I doubt it was deliberate but I could easily see how someone made a mistake. I do not see anyone exploiting this tragedy from any side and so it should be. Full facts are needed. I genuinely could not find evidence of other flights in the air. Anyone with more info please share. I would also be interested on how different the other flight paths were from the Ukrainian airlines jet and why it was the only one locked in on. Did the pilot make the mistake of flying outside a designated flight path? I suppose that is possible as well. There is so much missing to be definitive.

No one asked you to.

Huge difference which is why Mandy is pointing it out and I thank Mandy. If Ukrainian Airlines was not the only flight in the air, an all clear was given. It absolves the commercial airliner of liability. Huge legal difference.

I did not hear that. Makes more sense now. This is the first I heard of that. If that is the case, then Ukrainian Airlines did nothing wrong.

The issue if we can focus on it, is: we now know with certainty the Iranian military shot down the Ukrainian Airliner using a missile that explodes and sends metal fragments in a spray motion riddling the target with thousands of shrapnel pieces. The missile itself does not hit the plane, its spray of shrapnel does. Then the target filled without thousands of holes and on fire, explodes from lack of structural integrity and wide spread flames ignited by each shrapnel piece and assault on the gas tanks that spreads. The question that must be answered is why the Ukrainian Airline Station Manager in Tehran on the ground and the pilot of the airline both would have agreed to go back up knowing the airspace was hostile and there was a red zone and no other aircraft were in the skies because of the very immediate risk of being accidentally shot down in the aftermath of the earlier missile firings. It makes no sense the Station Manager and pilot knowing these conditions would still go back in the air. From a legal perspective, the Ukrainian Airline is 100% negligent for the decision. The Iranian military error is a secondary cause because had the jet stayed grounded until full day light and conditions had cooled off this probably would not have happened. That is the issue. The unfocused rants only exploit a sad mistake. I also without meaning to jump to conclusions have to ask the Ukrainian Station Manager, what the phack were you thinking?

Your unfocused rants are incoherent. Showing pictures of a child designed to inflame emotions again just lower your discourse to a level of exploitive irrational babbling. If you can't focus on the specific issues and discuss them run along. Your unfocused anger is a waste.

You started another thread blaming Trump for the Iranian military's decision to shoot down a Ukrainian Airlines commercial aircraft. The thread you started claiming the shoot down was a false flag and your thread blaming Trump are now proven illogical. The issue remains why would the Ukrainian Airlines station manager clear his aircraft to go back into airspace he knew our had to have known was still red. It makes no sense. As for your pissing on Trump many of us do not like him or what he stands for but the difference is, we do not attach that criticism to the tragedy in Iran. When you do that you lower yourself to a level not worthy of a response from anyone other than to challenge your exploitation of a tragedy for partisan comments.

Now we know the Iranian military has admitted they shot down the jet the only question is why had Ukrainian airlines gone back in the air knowing the risks? What was the Ukrainian Station Manager thinking? Why were no other airliners in the air? I can not imagine the Ukrainian Airline authorities were NOT warned to stay out of the air. Its interesting though, that on this thread, when the facts speak for themselves you get the same extremists trying to detract from the Iranian military's behavior.

Your words appear to sound like a very young man's who hides his Muslim extremist agenda. Who are these traitors you claim exist and why? When you speak of at invaders do you refer to the Iranian Guard that has invaded Lebanon and Syria as well as Iraq and Yemen? As for your comments about who deserves to die stop and realize how stupid it is to make such comments. You started a thread to blame Trump for an Iranian military mistake which is illogical. Now unable to shed any coherent basis for that accusation you engage in subjective remarks that show a lack of awareness of anything outside your bubble. You Maroc, Kactus and anyone else with an extremist agenda need come out of the closet and either state it or run along. Your attempts at sounding righteous with hatred for those you consider your enemy is stone age theology. I liked the Flintstones when I was a kid but not your script.

Your thread was to blame Trump for an Iranian military error you claimed was a false flag on another thread and now it appears since you are unable to pursue either incoherent thought you have switched the focus to simply saying you hate Trump. Many of us do not like his policies or behavior but you accused him of something he did not do which makes your comments irresponsible and clearly you have nothing else to say about a thread you started and have no idea to back up. .

I didn't insinuate recently I am funny but it is true my doctor said I am when he was doing my last prostate exam. How about you respond to the thread. You have any points of wisdom you wish to share about how Trump shot down the Ukrainian Airline.? If you did you would not be fretting over my career.

Again your analysis provides a very simplistic source for complex problems, a scapegoat to avoid your own individual responsibility and then an exercise in denial and exit from your feelings of guilt. In a nutshell you recycled a belief system to absolve yourself. Been there done that. In reality a very complex set of cause and effects led up to and continued long after the President you point a finger at made any decisions about anything. To suggest he alone is the source of a phenomena that has been evolving since homo sapiens began is absurd. There is no easy to understand figure. You may as well call that President Satan. The simplistic formula of absolution you came up with it reminds me of serial killers in prison saying Jesus forgave them. What you call truth, reconciliation and apology is what guilt ridden people think can cleanse their souls..oh I am so sorry, some tears, a couple of prayers and some money. Been there done that with the crying jackass Prime Minister of Canada and so many other Liberal guilt types.. You don`t get it. You can`t wash the crap off your hands once you touch it. It is your destiny. Its now part of you and no amount of obsessive compulsive hand scrubs will make it go away. Pîck up a brush and scrub some blood off the walls. Crying won`t get the blood off the walls.

Provide your criteria of measurement. I will not hold my breath. Moral Judges. Never met one without a closet lifestyle.

No he`s Canadian. We are very serious people. Please watch Corner Gas re-runs. Our culture is explained in those documentaries. Also we don`t allow any sort of profanity either. Our idea of profanity is the sport of Curling. Its as far as we go.

Ok I am caught....but remember I am part of Satanist Illuminati Draco shapeshifters. We have a complex agenda.

Horsecrap. Blaming Trump is as illogical as blaming Iran. In a live fire zone any civilian who walks into it without taking precautions is to blame in this case Ukrainian Airlines. Tell me how much sleep have you lost over Assad or Putin using Syrian airspace to kill civilians. Right.

1. Air traffic control at an international airport only can monitor airspace, but not necessarily control it. Huge difference. Ultimate control is with the pilots of aircrafts in their air and anything else in the air. There are near misses every day precisely because of that limitation. Furthermore the Ministry that handles the civil airport and the Defence Ministry in Iran as is the case in all countries is distinct. We do not know the internal command structure over airspace in Iran but one would think its the Defence Ministry not the Civil Aviation Authority that would have the last say which you and I probably both agree with but are you sure the Defence Ministry told the Civil Authorities to open the airport? Do you or I know that? Does that sound like it would make sense? Does it make sense given no other commercial aircraft went up in the air? 2. Radar tracking movement in the air does NOT and can not guarantee the identity of what it tracks, only what is in the air and the approximate size, direction and speed of what is in the air and even then you ask radar experts, its far better than it was say 20 years ago but its not perfect. Nothing replaces eyes and binoculars. 3.Your analogy about live fire is false. Why would someone put on a bullet proof vest then walk into a live firing range? That makes no sense. You don't walk into the live firing range period. You can't guarantee safety in any life fire zone. It is impossible. It would be idiotic to think any precaution would be guaranteed to make standing in the line of fire safe. Ask any police officer who wears a police vest. Ask any soldier. Ask any pilot whether it makes sense to fly in a red zone for any reason. 4. Commercial airlines were advised by the Iranians and external intelligence sources they are privy to, not to put aircraft in the air that night. They were told there was an active red zone across the entire airspace of Iran due to missiles being fired into Iraq. We know that because other airlines said so and no other airline put their planes up. Ukranian Airlines despite knowing this put its flight up in the air. Why? Why is blaming the Iranian military any different than blaming Trump? Neither are to blame, the airline I unless you can prove Iranian Defence officials told the Civil Authority to open the airport. If that is the case then I would agree with you. 5. We know the Iranian missile strikes were controlled face saving shots deliberately aimed at safe targets. The US concedes this. Had Iran intended true injuries it would have shot elsewhere. That is inconsistent behaviour with shooting down a civilian aircraft full of its own citizens not withstanding they may also have been Canadian citizens as well. Questions remain. Why would Iranian civil aviation authorities clear international air activity in a red zone in progress. Think about it. That makes no sense. W We do not know the decision why Ukrainian Airlines put their flight up but even if they did get clearance do, they should not have for the same reason no other airline did. They still knew our ought to have known there was an immediate and real danger and risk. Your argument would be stronger if all other airlines had gone back up in the air. This did not happen. Someone in Ukrainian Airlines blew it and that airline under civil law can and will be sued by all the passengers for wrongful death in a class action suit. In regards to Iranian military culpability of course they shot it down. They had pre-programmed their missile firing systems to knock anything out of the air other than their own missiles. That is how it works. No one watchs the radar bleeps trying to figure out whether the bleep is friendly or hostile. Its not how it works. There is a computer that is activated and shoots. This is precisely why Iraq shut down its airspace. Its precisely why in 9-11, the entire North American space was shut down. In any missile attack and Israel has had plenty the civil airport at Ben Gurion Airport is closed own. Even when missiles hit the ground miles from the airport and do not kill anyone, they cost millions of dollars in lost revenue from air delay to cargo or other flights as all of Israel airspace is declared a red zone and shut down until an all clear is given. I find it impossible to believe an all clear was given so soon after a missile shoot and Iran on red alert awaiting possible retaliatory missile shots. I have never heard of a civilian airport being open during a red zone or on-going air conflict. Never. Airports have been closed down for far less risk. Ask any pilot.

Erdogan and Western backed terrorists getting into bed and the spambot sees no need for an explanation....just spits it out........ahahah...hey Maroc report that back to your handlers. Erdogan has resurrected the Ottoman Empire in the ME yah and Euro welcomes him into the middle of Euro oil sources. Yah that makes perfect sense. Who you gonna call to protect Euro oil..Erdogan... This is what happens when you marry a cousin. Regards, The Late T. Boone Pickens The Late JP Getty Jaycee Illuminati and Blue Ivy Will and Jada Smith

I do not condone what happened but the fault lies with Ukrainian airlines putting its plane in active flight in what is called a red zone. The radar system that locked on and took down the jet was pre -programmed to knock out anything in the air. Why Ukrainian airlines would not know this would be the case and so stay away from the red zone, Ii.e., cany airspace over Iran like all other commercial airlines did that night, begs an answer. You walk smack dab in front of a live firing range you get bullet up yer ass. It ain't rocket science.

Choosing to fly commercially in airspace subject to active conflict is criminally negligent. False flag my ass. Blatant stupidity by Ukrainian airlines is the immediate cause.

Was that meant to be pithy? I guess this is where I come in and say terrorism is never better, safer, justifiable. That was not meant to be pithy just someone who has scraped up flesh. Excuse me but I ain't pithy. I cleaned toilets. I claim no righteousness but I do understand the purpose of chlorine.