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My words are directed specifically to what you state not who you are as a person. My concern is as to what you say and the implications of your decision to make negative generalizations- not who you are. I also find it inconsistent you accuse me of personal attacks for engaging in the very same approach you use when making references to Jews and Israelis and moi although I enoy being the subect of personal attacks. I am sure I deserve them. I would also point out you make it very difficult to debate precisely because of your decision to engage in subjective negative generalizations about Jews based and wo what appears to be your personal feelings since you do not provide any specific objective evidence for your references until you are repeatedly challenged and even then your references to something objective that can be measured through third party evidence is presented by you in a very subjective manner. For example you quoted an Haaretz article as a reference but your comments completely ignored what it said in your use of it as a reference which in my opinion misleads people as to the contents of what the article said. Now you state that even I must admit that some Israeli policies are racist. Why? Again you throw out a negative assumption about Israeli policies and then ask me to blindly accept such an assumption. Why? Without any reference to the law or policy you are referring to how am I supposed to comment? Do you think it is logical and acceptable to jump to subjective conclusions based on assumptions with no references or basis? It is also precisely why, each time you engage in such an exercise of assumption and now ask me to join in with you, I again say to you. your ambiguity and subjectivity with due respect lends to the appearance you are making blanket slurs. What I am tempted to assume from your latest comments is that it may be that Israeli policies designed to prevent terror are being assumed by you to be racist. What I am also tempted to assume is that your comments are typical of many critics of Israel wgho are quick to call it racist but then provide no sunstance from which they make such assumptions. What I have seen in the past in your writings and others who are quick to accuse Israel of racism, is a preconceived negative stereotype that impugns the desire of Jews to have a collective indentity and express it through self-determination by constantly referring to this desire as being racist-which is ironically, necessarily a racist assumption since it singles out Jews as a people unlike any other people. and assigns them negative characteristics for wanting to be self-determined. What I also am tempted to assume is that your decision to throw the accusation of racism about is a device you try to use to gain what you may believe is a higher moral ground then the people you accuse of being racist without ever explaining the basis for your assumptions. In my case when I accuse you of expressing anti-semitic ( stereotypical negative generalizations against Jews or Israelis) comments, I explain the basis for my allegation(s) with full specific context and references to your own words not mine. The incident with the 5 children you now raise yet again, has nothing to do with the issues that were being debated. In my opinion, you threw out the incident as an aside without any context or attachment to what was being debated, as an attempt or communication device to demonize Israel, i.e., to suggest as a nation of people and as a rpecept of being self-determined it condones the killing of Palestinian children. Certainly your latest response and choice of words in my opinion continues to lend to that appearance. Pray tell, could it be Buffy that your decision to this incident out of context and throw it into the debate, is the kind of desperation you accuse me of? Buffy have I used any words that expolit the death of Israeli children or use their memory to try incite or justify blanket negative generalizations about Palestinians? My words speak for themselves when placed next to yours. I practice what I preach. I do not engage in blanket negative generalizations about Muslims or Palestinians. I do not assign them collective motive and use ambiguous references. I do not make assumptions there charitable donations are political. I do not make generalizations they are racist. I do not engage in ambiguous negative generalizations that call on people to make stereotypical assumptions as to motive and belief. In fact have openly challenged not just people like you, but people on my side of the equation when I have felt they have engaged in stereotypical thinking regarding Muslims or Palestinians and anyone else and I welcome it being proven to me if I have done so about any people and try learn from that. I will say this again loud and clear-each and every time you make blanket negative generalizations about the motives of Israelis or Jews in part or in whole, you are engaging in anti-semitism and no trying to suggest its only criticism of Israeli policy does not wash until you make it a point to be specific as to who and what you are criticizing and why and present something other then your subjective feelings. I would also expect if you want to debate a specific policy, you state what that policy is and what your concerns are without insulting or impugning the characteristics of an entire people. I expect more from you and challenge you precisely because I genuinely believe in your case you are not an intentional anti-semite. Now on that note, perhaps someone else can spend the energy it takes to respond to you. DancingDude be my guest. As well JBG may I humbly say I feel I have more then made up for my criticism of your bacon comment and feel you should forgive me and take over. Please someone else step in and try Waltz with Matilda. My feet and shins are sore.

Will this happen before of after the Catholic School Boards in Ontario are disbanded by you. Since you find religious bigotry repugnant, I am sure you agree all provinces should pass laws not allowing any one religion public school funding. Oh wait. They are Catholics. Never mind. as for the Grandson having to give up his right to the throne get a life. What are you planning to do, kill Chuck and his two sons and the other products of in-breeding before him? Tell you what if they all die first, and he needs to be King, I am sure we can send Steve over to straighten things out. I mean he has a lot of clout.

How is it racist? Well gee. We refer to ALL North American Jews, assign them ALL the same thoughts, motives, agendas, political beliefs, make subjective accusations they all are egaged in one uniform action with one uniform motive and you ask how its racist? This is why we Jews invented the expression Oy Gevalt. Someone else deal with Buffy. I responded on another post in detail to her.

Yes it was me. It was a front operation. I am outed.

Of course Dancer in Buffy's world, Israelis are to sit back and do nothing. In her world if we ask Palestinians to denounce violence so that the IDF is not forced to respond to defend its people, that b"lames" them. In the world of Buffy we make the assumption that shooting missiles should not be responded to because when Israelis die that is o.k. but if Palestinians die, that is not o.k. You see in Buffy's world it is more real when a Palestinian dies. The blood of a Jew is not as real. More to the point, if a jew donates to a charity this can be used as justification to impugn negative political motives on all Jews but if Palestinians are criticized for not forming a collective to fight terrorism within their society, this is unfair and victimizes them. Of course encouraging Palestinians to empower themselves to transcend violence is victimization in the world of Buffy. Oh wait. I just remembered. Israelis don't need sanitary napkins. Their bleeding is not real.

Before you spew hebrew at me Buffy read back your comments about Israelis. Read what I write. At no time have I ever stated Palestinians are to blame for anything. What I have stated is that Muslim people have the choice to challenge Hamas and Islamic Jihad and refuse to allow their children to be used to move rocket launchers and they can refuse to allow their homes or themselves to be used as shields. They can refuse and I know many who have. Saying Palestinian people need to rise up and denounce the terror of Hamas or Islamic Jihad is a plea for them to look for something other then terror to solve their problems. This does not blame them for anything. You on the other hand Buffy, your words do nothing but hold all Israelis accountable for the actions of Hamas and Islamic Jihad. You smeer them all and blame them all for the ME conflict. So do us all a favour, save your righteousness. You are in no position to lecture anyone on blaming victims. You have no problems lumping all Israelis into the "oppressor category" and blaming them when they try defend themselves.

That has nothing absoltuely nothing to do with the missiles beings hot into Israel or the innocent civilians who get killed when Hamas uses them as shields which is the issue. Your attempt now to go back to an act that has nothing to do with the on-going conflict, and throw it back is typical. Its typical of what you and Higgly do. Absolutely typical to the point of being past the point of absurd. Someone brings up an issue, and you have to reach for an unrelated incident which you then do what with? well? Infer that this is Israeli state policy and the reason Hamas and Islamic Jihad do what they do? I expect it from Higgly....how about you-is this what you want to end up as a shrill looking for unrelated incidents to throw in just for the sake of one reason and one reason only-to smeer an entire people? Once again Buffy you miss the point. When I speak I do not smeer Palestinians because of the actions of Hamas or Islamic Jihad. On the other hand you and Higgly do not miss the opportunity to try smeer the entire Israeli people when you discuss the ME conflict. That is the difference and why I have no respect for any of your comments and is precisely why your friend Higgly who you defend does not have the integrity to come on this post and admit he engaged in a bigoted smeer of all North American Jews and threw in the above ambiguous reference which you now clarify because he needs to smeer ALL Israelis. The 2 of you are typical of shrills. You can only see one agenda, one cause and effect, one side of the conflict and you show it time and time again in trying to justify responses that have no relation to the topic but are thrown in for one reason only-to incite hatred against Israelis and demonize them. Boo.

Interesting no where in the article Buffy quotes did it state that Israel "slaughtered' anyone. This of course is Buffy once again with her typical injection of moral melodrama. what of course Buffy ignores with her moral judgement and melodrama is why these children get killed. For people like Buffy who need to demonize Israel and portray all Palestinians as innocent victims and paint all Israelis as evil demons (unless of course her friend Higgly is there to go further and label all Jews of North America whys top at Israelis) she won't mention that the children get killed because of deliberate tactics of Hamas to get them killed. Hamas launches the rockets then sends children to collect the launchers. That is a fact. I know that for a fact from parents of these children who have had to take their children out of Gaza precisely because Hamas and Islamic Jihad use them in this manner. As well Buffy's responses try make it seem that Hamas is unaware of these attacks or its using children to remove the launchers or deliberately launching rockets from civilian sites so that if Israeli shoots back at the last coordinates of the rocket site, civilians are killed. Hamas deliberately uses children and civilians as shields to shoot. Then if Israel fires back at the last sites and civilians are hurt or killed, on cue the Buffy's of the world then lecture how Israel should sit back and die from missile attacks and be wiped out since it should not shoot back and chance killing civilians. It should just die out because Israelis should die but Palestinians shouldn't. Yes in the Buffy world of Palestinians should not die but Israelis should, Hamas and Islamic Jihad are not morally culpable for the death of their own people by using them as shields. No we just ignore that and blame Israel and accuse Israel of engaging in slaughters. Israel has no context for its fighting back or shooting back. Israel just slaughters because Israelis are demons they just slaughter for the sake of slaughtering. Its what they do when they don't conspire I suppose with North American Jews as Higgly seems tos uggest. See in Buffy's world there is a double standard. Israel is supposed to care about Palestinian civilians and never shoot back but Palestinians they don't have to care about Israelis at all or try stop Hamas or Islamic Jihad from using them as shields and saying to their own militants-stop-stop once and for all and sit and talk. Do not represent us if all you can do is shoot missiles. No in Buffy's world its understandable to kill Israelis. It is just a given. See its Israel's fault. These missiles are launched because Israel is bad and deserves it. These missiles are not launched as part of a campaign which wants all of Israel and Jordan given back to Hamas. No not at all. Its just because Israel sets up road blocks and settlements. Yah that's it. No other reason. And no Israel has no right to prevent terror with road-blocks. No it should allow terrorists to drive around free as can be to launch attacks and missiles. Thanks again Buffy for your fair, non emotional, balanced analysis that presents both sides of the conflict in an even handed manner. Again I can't wait for you and Higgly to go on a lecture tour.

Perhaps then you can lecture yoru good friend Higgly who does not have the integrity to respond and back up his negative generalizations about all North American Jews and their elleged conspiracies with money and harassment campaigns and now his response which of course does what Higgly always does, tries to turn the topic and demonize Israel because heaven forbid Higgly is capable of acknowledging Israel is under constant fire-something you obviously just don't get when you make comments like the IDF killed 5 children as if they do it for fun and for no reason and it just happens because Israelis are evil and sit around planning to kill children. The two of you should write a book on the Middle East and share your knowledge with millions around the world.

Care to give specifics or is this another one of Higgly's fabricated subjective slurs?

Go back and read out Higgly's words. For you Buffy read them out slowly, one word at a time. Maybe that way you can figure it out. No Rue the lumper is you. Brilliant. I am the one who comes on this forum and makes generalizations about every Jew of North America. Yah it was me not Higgly. I wrote it. Thanks Buffy. As usual your insight and analysis makes it clear Higgly is really me. Yah its a Zionist cover I use. No Rue the lumper is you. Love it. I respond to a racist statement so I am the one who is the racist. Brilliant. Utterly brilliant.

The show I watched stated ISraeli settlements are an obstacle to peace and exasperate relations with Palestinians and Israelis. The decision by Higgly to misrepresent the show in discussion to justify smeering ALL North American Jews as engaging in a conspiracy to coerce politicians and harass them with money is his anti-semitic concept not the show's. Settlements in the West bank are not the major obstrcle to peace in the Middle East, terrorism is and everyone knows it and no one would deny that. No one in their right mind other then Higgly or probably Buffy believes Hamas and ISlamic Jihad and Hezbollaha and the over 500 other terrorist cells and the regime of Iran and Al Quaeda and all the other terrorists suddenly disband if there are no settlements of Jews in the West Bank. This simplistic absurd notion that all terrorism and all problems in the Middle East can be blamed on the Jews of North America as Higgly has done has to be called out for what it is absolute and utter bull.

ABsolute bull. The alleged "Israeli settlement" issue is a pretense, a pathetic, transparent excuse. The biggest obstacle to piece is the decision of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the countless other terrorist cells to choose to engage in daily terrorism and you know it. The settlements would be disbanded tomorrow if there was some way to guarantee no terrorist attacks. As long as their are terrorist attacks, Israel will be hesitant because it has no one to enter into a binding agreement with-something you are absolutely oblivious to because in your trendy leftist world, one sits and talks with terrorists and terrorists only exist because they fight settlements.

The above comment I am calling out as anti-semitic. It states a negative stereotype attributed to all Jews of North America and suggests all Jews are engaged in a conspiracy with their money or as Higgly spews out byu "focused harassment campaigns" to harass politicians who try stop Israeli settlements. The above comment is typical of Higgly's subjective negative generalizations about all Jews that are not backed up with any factual proof. These constant slurs that lump all Jews into one category and depict us as rich and using our money to engage in conspiracies and harass politicians is typical of anti-semitic thought which tries to depict all Jews in negative simplistic terms where we allegedly use wealth to coerce. I am calling this out as bigoted bullshit. Higgly put up or shut up. Come on this forum and proof how you know all Jews of North America or ANY Jews of North America are doingt his. Either provide substance in the form of objective evidence or shut the f...ck up once and for all with your negative generalizations of ALL Jews.

Alright lets deal with your misrepresentations. 1. The Taliban or Mujahadeen or Fedayeen whatever you want to call them alreay existed. They were not installed. What the CIA did was to supply them with guns and train them how to shoot at those Russian helicopters with shoulder mounted missiles. 2. Saddam was not installed by the CIA. He was in fact installed if you must use that word by his own Bath Party. He killed his way to the top of the Bath Party and became its leader and then was funded in a war against Iran. He was given weapons to fight Iran by the CIA. 3. The U.S. does not maintain the House of Saudis as you refer to it. That family, the descendants of Faisal may be kept in power partially through the support of the US, Britain, and many other countries who depend on them for oil, but the existence of this Riyal family and the one in Jordan which is related to it, could not have come about without it first existing. Tyrants aren't magically installed like wind up toys. These figures rise to the top on their own, usually through ruthless internal power plays as military leaders kill their own people to get to the top. It is only when they seize power, the U.S. and for that matter every other nation in the world then decides whether to deal with them. It is the height of ignorance to think the U.S. or any other Western nation has the ability to infiltrate Muslim socieities and tell people who to install. What the U.S. and other countries can do however is bribe leaders, or fund them with weapons, or control their economies through the international markets or even black-mail them with sex, etc., but its a hell of a lot more complex then "installing" people. Coruption, tyranny, ruthless cold blooded totalitarian dictators may be bribed and temporarily controlled and exploited by the West or Russia or China, etc., but these tyrants come to power because of their own actions and no their day to day internal activities are not controlled. The countries that ally with them and allegedly "prop" them up do not interfere with what they do as long as such countries get what they need, i.e., natural resources, oil. There is a limit to how much you can blame on external alliances or "colonialists". The fact is tyrants still have moral culpability for what they do to their own people. The failure in the Muslim world to engage in democracy is not simply caused by the West simply because our oil corporations bribe corupt leaders. It also flows from the lack of freedom of speech, the use of secret political police to torture and kill, and corput brutal leaders born in societites where the majority of people still do not read or write and are easily controlled by Mullahs and Muftis who get into bed in power relationmships with the governments of their own countries. You want to point fingers-start by looking at the role of the Muslim clergy in Muslim countries and their relation to governments. They are no different today then the role say the Catholic Church played with monarchies and governments in Europe in the recent past and still do in Latin America, and the poorer underdeveloped parts of Europe. You think these tyrants who take the money and weapons are complete puppets? If they are such mindless puppets and do whatever they are told why is it the US has to arrest Noriega and hide him...could not kill Ghaddafi, can't control the government in Iraq, and has no direct control over Mubarak or the Saudis? If the US was such a puppet master why is there any terrorism anywhere? Why hasn't its puppet leaders simply wiped out terrorists? Does anyone think the Saudis do what the Americans want when it comes to stopping terrorism? Does anyone think Mubarak doesn't use the US as much as the US tries to benefit from his alliance? Iis it a simple MAster/Victim relationship between Western countries and powerless Middle East countries when Tony Blair goes running to Libya to suck on Ghaddafi's shoes? The coruption and exploitation is far more complex then good v.s. bad, evil colonial west v.s. innocent exploited east. You think the British told Robert Mugabe to infect himself with third stage syphilis of the brain and destroy Zimbabwe? Mr. Mugabe was the darling of the West for years because he was suitable to the same tredy leftists who now stay silent as he mass murders his people.

Translation; give Catholics the right to publically funded schools but no one else. Sounds fair to me. No discrimination there. You and Dalton should get together its the same bull shit he tries to say. Argus either no one has the right or everyone has the right to public funding. Since funding everyone is iresponsible no one should be funded. All schools should be non religious. You want to study a particular form of relgion-DO IT AFTER SCHOOL ON YOUR OWN TIME. If you want to study religion in schools, it should be taught without bias to any one religion and taught by examining ALL religions equally. Saint Argus Secondary School Saint Argus Elementary Saint Argus Collegiate Father Argus Elementary Uh huh.

LOL I think you might find most of us Jews know Jesus was a Rabbia. ( Jackie Mason too)

Now see while I make fun of all religions equally the above is needless don't you think? It is in fact bigoted in my personal opinion. Its funny to point out all religions can be self-righteous and absurd but when you focus on one and ridicule its beliefs that is different. In this issue Buffy made a legitimate pt, about cultural intolerance. I personally think its an example of of the absurdity of religion but no I will not make fun of anyone's religion like the above-just all in general. I get the feeling some times you want to try mix ridiculing Islam with other issues. That is unfortunate.

The point is while I appreciatewith what Buffy says about the cultural intolerance and it was well said, I find all religions equally as ridiculous and self-righteous. It was a bone head thing to do not a deliberate thing. No conspiracies, just bone heads.