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"He remote viewed the Face on Mars and found that five million years ago there was a magnificent city there near the Cydonia region inhabited by tall pale beings that had large distended heads." I really get annoyed when people make fun of my ancestors and the size of their heads.

Oh man. Really sorry to hear that. All I can say is the obvious to your answer-as calmly, and rationally as is possible. In this case the message has to come out, but in a way that does not intentionally or unintentionally cause panic or traumatize kids right? Do you need to get specific no. There are ways to discuss these things or implement security without unecessarily inflamming and scaring. In this case parents must know, but then I would hope we allow them as parents to decide how much detail they then pass on to their children. So for example, my wife was working in a school when some sob pedophile attacked a child in the bathroom and the school was locked down and the pervert ran out. Do children need specific details as to what he tried to do? Do their parents? No. But they do need to know there was an sob in the school and what is to be done when that happens. Its a fine balancing act and I think for the most part our schools are trying their best to get the message out without going too far. But you know its a difficult thing isn't it. Hoepfully as a parent you can assure your child there is some bad stuff out there but you are there for them and they need be aware and vigilante but not live in fear. I have worked with children once they have been traumatized. What I found is often what traumatized them was there feeling they were not in control and were powerless. Education can give them back some of that feeling of control or power and help them heal but no I wish I could give you an easy answer for what goes into the content of that education. Its a tough one. Good luck. Man I hate this shit. Our kinds just don't seem to be able to get to be innocent anymore.

Hey man. I love BLT's. But hell for $2000 I will tell you I am offended by them. Lol. I am sure if I looked hard enough I could find you a lot of people for $2000 Jew and non Jew who will be offended by bacon. Hell while I am on the topic what about ham! I mean what is with that? I mean how can your people eat something you present in a hairnet? I mean that is offensive. Haggas. Now that is offensive. How about blood sausage. Or what about those people who eat bull testacles or calf brains or make soup with chicken feet or pig snouts or fish eyes. I want $2000 from each of them.

Duh. One is in the midst of a sex change operation.

Hang on a second. Bare with me. Yes the fact that the Canadian Military was restrained as you is a testament to its strength and honour but I think you may be mistaking the audience you might need to teach that to. That said, and I can only ask you to trust me on this keeping in mind you think I hiss, aboriginal peoples know about strength coming from restraint. Please don't make the mistake in thinking they all are violent and believe in violence and confrontation because you have seen that manifested in some people who may have called themselves warriors. That would be no different from me saying anyone who joins the army is a violent sadist who joined because he wants to kill people. Look there are some angry young aboriginals and some violent aboriginals. Of course. But you are also very well aware there are angry young non aboriginals and no shortage of violent non aboriginals. You know for example a soldier isn't about violence and the reason you wanted to become one was your sense of honour and wanting to serve not because you wanted to kill. You also know any idiot can carry a gun and shoot it-but a disciplined soldier learns about honour and dignity and respects the implications of his having to be lethal and certain experiences he will have to go through is something he will never discuss precisely because of the sanctity that comes with them. So now follow me. The aboriginal peoples consist of many people within their society. Only a fraction of them are actually violent or believe violence is the means to achieve their resolution. To think they all believe in the kind of violence you are affronted by would be no different then me assuming you are an ignorant facist violent rambo. See the problem is the average person never interacts with a soldier-they only see them on t.v. so their impression of them is usually false as its based on John Wayne bullshit. Likewise with aboriginal peoples. In reality we live seperated and apart from them just as we do soldiers. You are live on a military camp restricted from the public - they are in reservations. When we do see soldiers off the camp, its in limited, specific encounters, likewise with aboriginals. When we see soldiers its most often ina negative association where they are engaging in what we are told is fighting and killing or dying. When we do hear about aboriginals its also usually with a negative reference, i.e., homelessness, alcoholism, children sniffing glue. We base our conceptions on soldiers based on myths just as we do aboriginal peoples. Either way it leads to bullshit negative generalizations is what I am saying. In your case you have a uniform. In their case the uniform is their skin colour and race. Either way we tend to stop at the surface and don't go further and find out what really made you want to be a soldier or what really is the basis of how aboriginal peoples believe in the law. So no. You of all people do not have to prove yourself to me-simply telling me a soldier is enough. That is also why when someone says to me they are aboriginal, I do not expect them to prove anything to me, it is just knowing they are. After that it is upt o me to find out your traditions and history just like I do their traditions and history. It is the very reason I respect a soldier that I respect aboriginal peoples. So my point? Those people you think define what a warrior is may very well have a lot more spiritual learning to do within their own society before they really can understand what it is to be a warrior just as you know there are many people in the army who may have made it past basic training but they sure as hell have a lot more learning to do. Hey-some never make it. They get past the basic training but you know they won't make it in the army precisely because they can never really learn to restrain themselves. Likewise with aboriginal peoples. It may be some of their people just never spiritually develop to the level where they can learn to live in harmony with the powers and forces around them. I hope you see what I mean.What you think is the enemy is present in all humans. What you see as the enemy, i.e., a human who will not restrain themselves, is in all of us. That enemy wears many uniforms. Its apperance is not consistent and where it comes from is not consistent. So what I am saying is as a soldier, you do not have to justify your honour to me. You joined because you were honourable. That was never the issue. The only issue is getting you to see there is honour and dignity within the aboriginal peoples' world as there is in your military world and that you are not on the opposite divides of dignity and decency as you might think exists. They are actually right behind you holding on to you so you don't fall over the divide and take them with you.

I tend to agree. I appreciate the theory behind it, but it just doesn't seem to do what it intends in practice other then to create a lot of confusion as how to apply it.

Lol. I love the hissy references. Tough guy calling me effeminate. Man we just can't seem to progress past this my thing is bigger then your thing reference point can we. Lol. If you want I can give you a magnifine glass. as for me, my people lose a little in the translation after we are born -its a ritual we have designed to reduce the size of our head to keep us humble. Now then, the university and technical expertise reference in my opinion was raised as a cheap shot. The context in which they were said to me necessarily suggested the poster who made them felt the need to put down another poster and use them in a manner intended to portray himself as being intellectually superior. The references to university and technical expertise were cheap shots at the person they were directed to, to suggest since they had not been to university and did not have the academic intelligence level i.e., technical expertise to be able to understand the truth. The intent to belittle was clear. When a man points a gun and uses it to gesticulate in a negative way, whether its loaded or not, the intent remains clear. The point you also miss is that the university knowledge that poster relies on is by its very nature is incomplete and defective because of the fact that it has excluded the very people it thinks it can profess about and until it includes those people and incorporates their knowledge into its knowledge base, what it professes necessarily remains defective. See that is something I learned from having gone to university. If I learned one thing, it is that learned people realize how stupid we are and how limited we are, and how we need to reach out with open minds and be willing to learn from the very people we claim to have knowledge about, if we are to have any credibility. Those who use education to put others down misappropriate its purpose and defeat its very purpose. The point is some of us are quick to put others down because we; i- assume we think we know what their knowledge base is; ii- assume we have a credible knowledge base, and iii- think or knowledge base is superior and iv-can be used as a tool to ridicule and belittle. What I am saying is; i-people who do the above do not understand what the aboriginal knowledge base is; ii-assume they are credible based on a knowledge base ripe with false pretenses, subjective opinions, faulty syntax, contradictions, false or uncorroborated assumptions, cultural, religious, gender and other biases, emotions, lack of logic and problematic testing procedures taininting their empirical observations; iii-that this knowledge base as is the case with any knowledge base is not superior to other knowledge bases, simply relative to them; iv-it is irrational and illogical to use one's knowledge base to simply negate another's for the purpose of education and enlightenment is to widen awareness not limit it - its purpose is to expand the creative and cognitive processes not limit them. There is nothing more tragic then a closed mind. Some of us choose to become deaf and blind out of choice. Ironic that people not given the choice and who are born with the conditions, learn to open their minds and develop new areas to ovecome such limitations. I choose in this case to engage in dialogue with aboriginal peoples that sees their knowledge base as relative to mine and since my ignorance as to it that makes me deaf and blind was not something I chose but was born into, I now chose to overcome such limitations by learning to develop my listening skills as to what they have to share with me. I do not see them and their aspirations and values as something I need to negate.

Lol. What about Mike Harris?

Now you got it! O.k. I will give it a rest!!!!!!

Lol. Outrageous wingnuts you say! Its time to agree with you again since you think I am picking on you. I agree with you er at least not the wingnut part (although that is possibly true). I think when we look at perportional (did I spell that right) repersentation its a recipe for permanent minority governments and coalitions of power that are unstable. Cases in point; Italy and Israel. Look I appreciate some people feel that the party system means your Member of Parliament may vote for the party line and not what you want - that is and will always be a heated debate - should the elected member represent the views of his/her constituents or their party. Hopefully they can do both. If they conflict for me, the time to express displeasure is the next election. I think there are limits to democracy. I think the notion we can be all things to all people is a noble one but has practical limitations. I also think the assumption that perportional representation allows for more accurate representation may not necessarily be true. It may at first glance look that way, but it could be the minority situations it necessarily creates, does nothing more then create political impasses that then go on to make it impossible to represent at all, since the government becomes paralyzed. I think we have to balance the ideal value of wanting to be as sensitive to as many different views as possible with the practical reality of understanding if you did that you could never get anything done as you would be spending all your time arguing. To me its a recipe for a different kind of dysfunction then the one we have now and one I think would be far more negative in the long run then in the good those who support it, think it can achieve. Sometimes the most ideal thing to do in theory, is not the most ideal thing to do in reality. So me I say, thanks but the present system aint broke so why does it need fixin? Do we really want to have permanent paralyzed elected assemblies?

Giggle giggle. The origins of the word do not make it any less hateful nor mean it did not become intermixed with the negative conotations of the word "nigger" which comes from the latin word niger. The fact you can't understand that then laugh out loud about it is embarassing. You not only demonstrate an inability to grasp such a simple concept of sensitivity, but then you giggle about it. Hee hee I am better then you. Hee hee. On and on it goes. From where I stand it looks even tinier then the last time you flashed it.

If you mean do I understand the word nygart was used in the English as early as 1366 yes thanks I know. I just love the English and their words. AmI aware it probably originated with the Sandivanian word hnøggr, yes. What I also know and the point you miss is while you can claim all you want that its origins used to connotate stinginess are innocent the word "nigger" is not and so using the word "niggardly" because it has the word "nigger"in it, would not to you be considered racist, but sure as hell would to a black person. That was my point. That is precisely why I said to another poster that perhaps until you put yourself in the shoes of the person feeling the pain of the word,you will never understand it. Of course that point was missed. The other person like you seems unable to wear anything but one pair of shoes-oopsy are they black oxfords?

" If you go to a university..." You want to play coy with me? Come on let's play. Your comment was deliberately elitist and insulting as you assume university is the place to acquire truth and the shot is at aboriginals because they don't in your opinion to to universities because they aren't "technical" enough which is your passive aggressive way of saying "smart" enough. You know what is even more pathetic then someone who taunts aboriginals because they don't get their truth from universities-people like you thinking university provides the truth. Ah but don't tell me you are university educated...

No not at all. Just like the word Niger is not latin for black where the word "nigger"and "niggardly" originate. Thanks for that clarification. Should I consider it a "white"lie?

Oopsy the fat guy with the eating problem calls me anorexic. Lol. Lucid enough for you fat guy?

Oh wait I am on a roll, people whodemand morality from others should at least themselves refrain from exposing themselves. Man I just love these folk tales I learned from my learned elders , Jackie Mason and Groucho Marx.

I will as soon as you stop shoving your hand up my butt and claim its because you are blind. Me thinks thou enjoyest thine self. Thanks I already had my exam for the year.

So you again indicate you have a closed mind and are not interested in listening to anything unless it confirms to your negative preconceptions. Uh yah. When a blind man stumbles and looses his grip and smacks you in the head with his white cane and then loudly proclaims he is blind and you respond by saying; "uh yah I figured that out with when you stuck your cane up my nose.." the essence and quality of the remark may be lost if that blind man is also deaf. Or even more simply put; there is nothing more ignorant then someone who takes pride in their ignorance. How about this one; when men full of beans fart they can also stain their pants. Either way it can be unfortunate.

Here try this Western conceptualization on for size; 1.You are inferior. 2. You are crazy. 3. You make things up. 4.Anything you say is bogus. 5.You are a joke. 6.I have no respect for you. 7. I will ridicule and insult anything you have to say. If someone said 1-7 to you then said; 8. Tell me.... Would you respond? Trying to feed steak to a man with no teeth is kind of silly. Telling a fat man to touch his toes is kind of silly. Feeding a man beans and then expecting him to do anything but fart is silly. Does anyone need any more analogies? Cuz I see a lot of non natives farting on this series of posts and no one saying excuse me. Excuse me. At least I opened the window.

Why because her stream is in a different location? Seems to me when you don't take the time to check the direction of the wind your mainstream ends upsmack dab in yer face.

Then define it for me so I can learn.

Do you even know what it is? Once again we have someone who uses a false negative stereotype to define what they think it means. The word "noble" is a racist concept created by people like you to describe natives. The fact that it in this case is not per se a negative one, does not make it any more accurate.

Nudge nudge wink wink, why is it you make stuff up and then think you can criticize others for doing what you do?

With due respect I find her ccmments insightful and inspiring. I also am under the impression she startsnew threads when the topic warrants that.

In regards to your protested innocence I was about to give you the benefit of doubt until out came the words "scorn them as wana-be'sand posers". So I now stand corrected You don't hate, you scorn. In fact my comments were not directed specifically at you at all. Now they are. Why would you as a soldier even think of comparing yourself to a Mohawk warrior? Doesn't the answer to this comeThe from your own words-the need to scorn and accuse them of illegitimacy? You think its original to suggest aboriginals are "bogus"or "inferior" More to the point you want talk facts? Do you even have those facts right? You simply assume as a fact that the concept of Mohawk Warrior is defined by these people as the equivalent them being a conventional soldier in the Canadian armed forces. That is just not true. In fact, its based on a false assumption you make precisely because in your zeal to find a way to rationalize insulting Mohawk Warriors you make subjective assumptions as to who they are, what they stand for and then gothe next step and assume they want to be just like you! Your assumptions as to how they conceive of themselves as warriors and your assumption they imitate you are both racist. That is precisely what I am calling people out on- this need to dialogue in a manner that engages in false stereotyping and then uses that false stereotyping to degrade. Why? Why the need to put down? Why the scorn? Do you think using the word scorn instead of hate really changes anthing? Using the word scorn to argue its not hatred is kind of trite don't you think? I am not about to tell you what the warrior concept means. That is precisely the problem. Until you speak with the people who claim to be warriors howwill you ever know what they claim to be? Are there similiarities between the concept of conventional soldier warrior? . Wellwithout being presumptious enough to thinkI cam explain it the way an aboriginal person could. may I suggest to you are comparing an apple to a baseball. The fact they are both round does not make them the same. One last thing my dismay is genuine and not directed at you personally. You callit a hissy fit? I like to call it Hebrew Warriorrage. My how are cultural values distort how we see things don't you think? You feel I am some effeminate nut case and I see myself as a Hebrew showing respect to an aboirginal and for that matter you as a soldier precisely because the very precept of my culture teaches me aboriginals in so many ways are superior to me and that is nothing to fear but to welcome. And no I do not think I am morally superior to you and in the position to tell you. I am asking you. What you call a hissy fit is David looking Goliath in the face and saying big boy back down before I fling a rock at yah. In this case I think peaceful dialogue in stead of flinging rocks would be more helpful. Its precisely because I do not want tolive in an era of tribal war I say this. I want to put your profession out of business.