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The confessions in one case were faked, the other case involved years of torture and confesions to crimes committed while he was imprisoned by the US. Its the ultimate joke played on the lowest common denominator of American society - you. Occams Razor requires that everything we see be explained with the simplest possible explanation. This explanation of the planes hitting the towers is not doubted, but the simple explanation does not explain the critical events of that day. The steel really did melt and the buildings really did collapse straight down into their own footprint at near free fall speed. These are scientific impossibilites with your explanation therefore you do not understand Occams Razor. The planes crashing into the buildings did not cause the buildings to collapse. I'm surious about the " fragmentary half facts" but I know you can't back that up. I know I don't use those but that would not stop you from saying that I do. Its a matter of credibility and you don't have any.

No doubt many theories will surface. All we know for sure is that the official story is impossible, the admin has been behaving as if guilty and that circumstantial evidence points to 911 being an inside job. No one knows the details of how they did it. Its not even necessary to know that.

Lets see if you can demonstrate proper use of Occams Razor. All you do is throw insults around. You know you can't debate me. It really just makes you look nstupid - even if you think its funny. I think its funny too because we are both on the same side trying to show the same thing ! - you are a fool.

The nerve of those Iranians, trying to stop IMF forces from sneaking into their country and executing terrorist attacks. Its almost as bad as those evil Palistinians.

You would have to be real stupid to confuse Zionism with Judaism.

I don't doubt that there were many errors in Loose Change. Hindsight is 20/20. I always recommend 911 Mysteries for this reason. I think the errors in Loose Change WERE NOT intentional, but the NIST report, Popular Mechanics and 911Myths WERE being intentionally misleading.

Its actually right in front of you. The missing trillions havbe been reported on all mainstream stations, even CNN. Lots of mainstream sources report the child sex trading rings. You don't have to be an insider, you just have to have a brain instead of muck between your ears.

Its always been like that. n Sept 10 2001 Rumsfeld announced 2.3 trillion missing from the Pentagon now its up over 3.4 trillion. You really need to give your head a shake.

Who is Bishop Occam ? Are you going to use Occams Razor to argue 911 with me ? Try it - ROTFLMAO - cause if you do I'll show you why you do not understand this simple concept.

Why don't you just say something instead of "Ha Ha I know but you don't". That is the mentality of a ten year old. You may understand the subject matter but you really need to grow up as a human being.

Thats only when the monsters are not real, but if you look into the Haliburton child sex trade you find thats real. The trillions that have gone missing is also real.

I agree and think that is possibly what was done - Stephen Jones thinks this too. If you want to know what is going on watch 911Mysteries then go to the Guns & Butter sites and look through their archives for the legal experts that explain the Patriot Act and the Military Commisions act. Its better that you get the info from them than from me. Devy Kidd explains the North American Union. 911Mysteries Also look for the Civilian Inmate Labour Program if you want to know what is in store for you. You have heard every once in a while that Haliburton gets another 300 million dollar contract to build detention centers. Civilian Inmate Labour Program - military document

See what I mean by trolls and idiots ?

I would probably believe you. I outlined some of it in my above post but did not discuss a lot of it. You may not be allowed to post that.

The attacks on Sept 11 were not directly used to justify all the wars but what they did do is to create an obedient public in favour of revenge and stopped any real objection to the wars. The primary reason for the Sept 11 attacks were to create the police state and this is directly created by the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions act. The Patriot Act and Military Commissions act actually codify the things that Hitler & Stalin would do but never actually write down. Guns & Butter archives explain the realities of the Patriot Act and the Military Commisions act with interviews with various legal experts, most recently Michael Ratner but there are some professors on there as well. Lots of experts discuss 911 as well on Guns & Butter. Look for Jim Hoffman because he explains how the FEMA and NIST reports are not only contradictory but fraudulent and unscientific. You may have noticed on TV and in the newspapers ads for police & security studies have increased greatly. Enrollment for these kinds of programs have also increased greatly. The reason for the creation of the police state is to quell any opposition by the public once they figure out hat the wars are for. The Afganistan war was to prevent the contruction of the Peace Pipline from Iran into Russia & Europe and to restore the heroine trade in Afghanistan. Just before 9/11 the Heroine trade had been almost crushed - down to 40 billion per year. We invaded and the heroine trade was quickly restored its now around 600 billion per year. US black ops need the illegal money to operate. Check the UN statistics. Heroine crops can easily be found by their infrared signatures from airplanes and destroyed by spraying. The reasons for teh Iraq war was to break the country into 3 parts and establish a greater US military presence in the middle East as well as to get access to Iraqui Oil - Clash Of Civilizations explains the reasons why Iraq needed to be invaded. The police state will also be needed to control the population if they resist the North American Union. The North American Union is effectively a corporate takeover of this continent. The NAU erases borders and reduces the power connected to public officials. Corporations are re writing all the laws as the US consitution is being destroyed so that the majority of the population in this continent can be brought down to a 3rd world living standard. This will also lower the standard of living all over the world and the people that actually own the world (private international bankers) can exhibit a greater control over the population and ensure their positions of power in a modern world. If all this sounds unbelievable, try and figure out why trillions of dollars are going missing from the Pentagon and no one is doing anything about it. A trillion dollars is enough to buy 150 fully equiped Nimitz class nuclear aircraft carriers. The government has gone criminal and no one is doing anything because the public is asleep and has no idea what is really happening. The corporate controlled media isn't going to tell you because they are the ones benefitting from it all. They are owned by the same people that own the weapons companies and oil companies. The banks benefit the most - to understand the banks there is a free documentary called The Money Masters and you can watch it free - just do a google search for "The Money Masters Video". If you do not think the government carried out 911, watch 911Mysteries. If you will not watch 911Mysteries, then ask yourself this question "If I were busted for raping a kid & I di9dn't do it would I want someone like myself on the jury ?" The link to 911Mysteries is below in my signature. It is also a free google documentary. If you don't believe 911 was an inside job, look at the idiots on this thread that are arguing for the official version. They use every possible stunt to divert any readers from the truth (trolling).

I've read it once but I will read it again. I'm wondering if you have any knowledge on the North American Union. It appears as though it is being all set up before the unwashed masses are even aware of it. The Canadian Action Party website has a lot of information on it. The NAU isn't something I have studied in great detail but I do know its a socialist program.

I only intended to have this as a poll, I didn't intend to have it as part of the discussion and I explicitly said that on the first post. It seems stoned teenagers were unable to read that and proceeded to troll the thread with stupidity.

I did read the article, Brzezinski practically staes that 911 was an inside job without explicitly stating it. He assummed everyone he was talking to already knew it was an inside job. Its a gem.

Whenever this thread get trolled I am going to expose another NIST lie or misleading propoganda piece. I'll go through them one by one. If idiots keep trolling I'll just start with Popular Mechanics and 911 Myths when done with the FAQ's presented by NIST. With a 20 million dollar budget and modern computers this technical feature of the building can easily be verified, if the fact that both buildings remained standing after the jet airliners crashed into them isn't enough. The buildings natural frequency of vibration from wind and during the impact did not change and this shows that the buildings not only remained standing but remained standing solid. Its odd that they computer model car crashes to show animations to jurys and they did computer model the events of 911 but the public can't see the animations. I suggest that the reason for this is that the NIST theory of the actual collapses would fall apart when viewed as an animation by even the most casual observer. I think they couldn't make the official version look real by animation which is why they don't show it in detail. The NIST report analyses these crashes in detail but stops this detailed analysis just before the critical event which was the actual collapses. Those are left only as hypothesis and that hypothesis is changing all the time as their implausibility is exposed by scientists on the internet. Its odd that they detail the investigation around stuff no one dissagrees with and cautiously avoid the areas where there is coflicting evidence. Here is a slide show with detailed photos and layman scientific explanations about how NIST misleads us on the events of 911. link ...keep on trolling

Alex Jones said the movie is true but backwards. The Spartans were really behaving the way the Persians were in the war and visa versa. Its an intentional propogandist hit piece directed against Iran and to tune dumb, dumber & dumbest up for war. I won't go see any movie that I can see was partly funded by the Pentagon. Hollywood gets money from the Pentagon for movies about terrorism. I won't rent the new Bond movie for the same reason.

Every time idiots troll my thread I'm going to put up a link to another 911 movie that clearly shows the evidence of 911 being an inside job. 20 bucks / 5 minutes

Brzezinski wants direct war with Russian and fears that the actions in the middle east may weaken America to the point where Russia cannot be attacked. Russia has been ejecting the banking oligarchy for a few years and wants traces of the empire out of their country and to return to nationalism. A few people like Rifat & Tarpley as well as other have explained this.

But still, none of this says anything about point #4 in the NIST report being an outright lie.

This last page wasn't a waste of time at all. I'm trying to show that believers of the official version are idiots and you are helping me - so we are even on the same side. Patriots Question 911 - lots of structural engineers in these lists 911 Lie Dying So who will be the last one to figure it out ? idiot. Thats OK Wilber, you didn't make a contribution all you did was blow hot air around and claim to be able to make an arguement. You didn't say anything.

CNN = Controlled News Network. Its poison - except the stuff they say about Britney Spears - thats probably all true.