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So its political not scientific. If there was something wrong with what Jones was saying I'm sure they would point it out. Truthers have ceratinly pointed out where the official version is lying or scientifically ridiculous and we have seen what happens to truthers when they come out to criticise the official version of 911. From your above link: "Physics Professor Harold Stokes, one of several faculty members who attended the seminar, said the explosive demolition hypothesis “certainly raises some interesting questions” and that Jones’ claims “certainly appear to be valid.” Like many of his other colleagues, though, Stokes was up front in saying that he didn’t have the technical expertise to properly scrutinize Jones’ claims. "

stopSPP - A good site on SPP. Alex Jones has Stephen Hiatt on his show today, the editor of "A Game As Old As Empire", link today at the start of the third hour. www.prisonplanet.com - it cycles every 3 hours starting at 12 noon. He talks about the power of the banks, the WTO, the lack of democratic accountability, the global elite, secret tribunals, and the BIG CONSPIRACY of control.

see my sig Support the troops. Bring them home. Let the bankers fight their own wars. Its irresponsible toward the troops when you do not protest what you think is an unjust war. They have no say in it because they are part of professional armies. Its up to us to stop unjust wars. We take responsibility for the orders they are given.

You cannot back up a single item in that post. You cannot point out a single lie. You cannot show where I even indicate that I believe black magic. The problem with these forums is that forethought is not a requirement for posting. Anyone can type this garbage, even though it cannot be backed up anywhere.

That was not speculation. That was showing that something is actually possible when it was stated an unlikely or impossible. You need to learn to stop and think before posting. Where ? Like this ?

No one has yet put forth a theory or idea on how those buildings cokllapsed without explaosives that hasn't been exposed as scientifically wrong or ridiculous. Glaring scientific errors and / or unreasonable assumptions are a constant feature of these kinds of "scientific" work. Pick one, lets go through it. There is physical evidence to suggest that planes did not hit the towers. I don't get involved with speculation on what may have happened. I do not understand how a light weight aluminum wing and fuel can punch a hole in a structural steel beam. The planes made cartoon cutouts on the building and this doesn't seem possible to me on first look - but like I said I do not spend much time on theories. Besides, the fellow scientists at BYU do not actually point out why Jones is wrong. They are simply complaining about him saying what he said. If he was wrong they would point out why - unless the protest was purely political.

You are right I got busy but I did post a link with a paper written by a Phd physicist (Dr Stephen Jones) that explains that the tower collapse as in the official version is a violation of the second law of thermodynamics. I guess you must have missed that be accident. The reason I haven't explained it yet is that I lost the link that neatly explains how the second law would apply in this situation. I could "wing it" they way you apologists do but that is not how I do things.

Most of this statement doesn't even stand up as logic. Making statements like this proves you are a gate keeper. All 'empty' arguements presented as fact. The point of compartmentalization is so that even if someone thinks there is wrongdoing they are unable to connect their actions to the wrongdoing and therefore don't bother reporting it. When someone works for the government they will not accuse the government of wrongdoing witrhout very strong evidence. In the post 911 world [people lose their jobs for questioning things.

I never actually expect to convince you. You claim to be an engineer but your discussion is cautious not to involve actual evidence. The rate of collapse and mechanics of the collapse already prove 911 was an inside job. All the other stuff is just additional ammunition for people that are not confident in their understanding of basic physics. People like you and stignasty will always ensure that we get a tyrannical government if the government wants to be tyrannical. Constant use of "Polly" proves you are low life trash anyways.

did you see yourself in the above linked video cartoon stignasty ? Intelligence experts and histoirians seem to think only 10 or so people would know about the big plot. I guess you agree with the presstitute idiots like Gwyn Dyer who say it had to be 10,000. 911 Officials

Generally you should only speak about things for which you are informed unless you are organizing your words in the form of a question. If you take this approach to political discussion no one will have reason to call you a moron.

Because that combined with free trade puts up as the mercy of foreign corporations and gives us a government that is powerless to intervene. What happens when the foriegn owned corporation gets a monopoly and the government is so powerless it can do nothing ? Just because you can't think of a disadvantage to something doesn't mean it does not exist. If you cannot think of a reason not to do something, you need to read and research to find the disadvantages then make a decision based on being informed. this is known as having an "informed opinion" as opposed to "muck between your ears".

You feel free to criticise everyone else but don't put your own foot forward, I guess we do not deserve to benefit from your incredible wisdom. I guess you didn't know that they use organs from prisoners in China already and that when Clinton got elected he had everyone wear Mao buttons on their first day of work. Do you even know what a Fabian socialist even is ?

You have to remember that nuclear tech to demolish buildings was developed in the 50's before they invented CD for building demoltion so its entirely possible that it was used. I think CD did wtc7 but it was likely nukes that did wtc1 & wtc2 IMO. I don't spend a lot of time on speculation because the inside job idea can be proven without it. I haven't looked really closely at the evidence other than verified it was there. The speed and nature of the collapse itself proves a controlled event scientifically and therefore inside job.

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Elliminating teriffs effectively takes power away from elected governments and puts it into the hands of corporations, thats why free trade deals are wanted so bad by the corporations and being signed by our "go along to get along" governments. Free trade benefits almost no one and drives everyones wages down. It lets corporations avoid union problems by setting up elsewhere if the workers demand better pay. Free trade is why we have such huge differences in wealth between the rich and the poor. NAU & free trade is all about taking power away from elected governments andgiving it to the banks and the corporations. We cannot question our politicians - they are not strong leaders - they are team players that "go along to get along" so they can get elected again through corporate controlled media, weapons makers and banks.

You have one contractor do a few floors, another contractor do aother few floors, etc and you have the job on each floor compartmentalized so that the whole job on each set of floors isn't done by one contractor. Someone from the CIA drills the holes and is told its for national security reasons then foreign nationals go it and plant the bombs. It wouldn't even occur to the contractors that they were part of this because their work was only done on a few floors and it was for fire alarms or something - no reason to think they were part of 911. Lots of people have come forward - witnesses from the FDNY and NYPD then they were gagged. If the terror attacks were real why did gov try to stop their oral histories from being published in NY Times. Why are they gagged now ? Why were the proper authorities restricted from the accident scene ? Why was evidence removed so quickly ? Why was the construction of the building misrepresented by NIST & FEMA ? What about the idea of planes flying around for 1/2 hour not being intercepted, the stand down at Andrews, Cheneys stand down order at the Pentagon (congressional record) ? Not to mention of course that a building collapsing straight down through itself at freefall speed is impossible without controlled demolition. Is this a governemnt that should be trusted not to do something like that ? Did you know that CPS (child Protection Services) lost 3000 kids in florida, they turned up dead or in foreign brothels. Did Hitler or Stalin ever let this happen ? A large percentage of people that work at CPS have records for abuse - of children ! Did you read my thread where it showed gov unwilling to prosecute cases in Texas where juvenile jails were used as whore houses ? What about the number of teengae girls in these places that end up pregnant ? What about the torture ? Gonzales says they can crush a childs testicles - did Hitler or Stalin do this ? What about the missing trillions ? The lies about WMD's ? What would it take to make you look at the evidence of 911 intead of just making excuses for the government all the time and assuming they are innocent ?

PrisonPlanet & BBC "In a very revealing analytical studio commentary on The BBC's Newsnight programme last night: Diplomatic Editor: Mark Urban demonstrated to Host: Jeremy Paxman: that the video footage released by the Iranians yesterday - of those 15 British service personnel being "captured" - seems to have been FAKED in large part! " "He also went on to illustrate how viritually inconceivable it is that such an event (like the alleged "ambush" of British Military personnel by the Iranians) could actually happen: given the fact that the area of water where this event supposedly took place was well within the Radar Scope of HMS Cornwall (not to mention a whole host of other vessels: WHICH WERE ALL MYSTERIOUSLY ABSENT at the moment when the Iranian interception party appeared on the scene!) "

The authority of these unions is not the concern of voters. Voters are out of the loop. We get what they decide to give us and they take from us what they decide to take away. YOU have NO SAY in it. The future of humanity is with our faces pushed into the mud with a jack boot unless we wake up soon.

The fact that the buildings wtc1 & wtc2 could not colapse through themselves the way they did without the addition of at least ten times the available potential energy in the buildings is my proof. Buildings just do not collapse through themselves - the building structure offers resistance and slows the collapse down (and that is if it was even possible which it wasn't) in the real world. For the building to collapse at freefall rate the building below would have to be removed. There is also pile of physical evidence showing explosives were used. The only thing you have supporting your views is your imagination. Its not supported by NIST or FEMA findings - only people like you and Bill O'Reilly. What would it take to legitimately question your blind trust of the government ? Are you aware that at least 1 trillion dollars has gone missing from the Pentagon since Sept 11 ? A trillion dollars is enough money to buy 150 fully equiped nuclear Nimitz aircraft carriers. Where do you think that money went ?

They will have us all in their computers and when someone rich needs an organ they will get their nearest match and arrest them for something. Then you become an organ donor to get a shortened sentence or suffer the death penalty for what you did - dep on which organ is needed.

I think the last time I heard someone use that expression 'son' it was from CanadianBlue, before that it was high school. It really does make you sound like a moron, which means you are on my side but I don't need your help.

Shouldn't you be in school ?

Real EAU New European Constitution under review: No Habeaus Corpus No Jury Trial No Double Jeopardy MP's vote up to 80 times per hour - no one has time to understand legislation. Government apologists need to really think about what they are apologising for and remember the people that have died in wars past to protect humanity for this kind of tyranny. The system is rotten to the core. The scale of corruption is unbelievable - its like the USA losing those trillions of dollars ( one trillion is enough for 150 fully equiped Nimitz class nuclear aircraft carriers) and no one noticing. "Mother should I trust the government" Pink Floyd / The Wall

Personally I believe all these wars and terrorism is a central banker agenda and its part of a Free Masonary / Fabian socialist agenda thats been going on since 1880 or so when the Fabians began to get a foothold into the USA and establish their institutions. I think that Israel is a scape goat and Israel being a scape goat is why all the high powered Zionists are running the USA and the USA has a greater allegiance to Israel then to itself. There are Catholic Zionists that view Jews as the "Chosen People" and do not believe themselves to be worth a Jewish fingernail in this country. This is a product of brainswashing. This is all a setup to distract us from the real truth and Isreal may be sacraficed to provide a scapegoat for the globalist agenda. This video, Where Do All The Roads Lead ? shows USA involvement with Israel. We know that Harper is an Israeli puppet because he has sided with Israel on the Israeli / Palistinian issue. He can always make time for B'nai B'rith but he is too busy for the Canadian press - or too afraid of them - if you can imagine that. This contrasts shaply with the liberal position on Israel which is more in line with the Canadian public which is to sympathise with Palistine and to acknowledge Israeli abuses.