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"But the people who are now being picked up and some of them have been jailed without trial for months, even years on end, did not commit violence. They walked through open doors, they were escorted by police, they felt that this was okay. And I think Jacob Chansley is a classic example of that." https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-releases-exclusive-jan-6-footage-says-politicians-media-lied-about-sicknick-qanon-shaman.amp

The fact that most trials were in 2024 proves my point.

There are plenty of examples. Anywhere from prison time to house arrest for misdemeanor charges for doing similar things as the fbi informants. You can look those up yourself. The Supreme Court even slapped down all the overcharging nonsense that was going on. You can check the SC dockets for that Yet you are going to sit here and defend the FBI, the DOJ and everything else? Most of this shit is going to get overturned within the next 6 months to a year anyway, cases will be dropped and pardons will be issued. You'll maybe be left with a few dozen legit cases but the majority of the spin from the organization that you are trying to defend has been bullshit and you ought be ashamed of yourself. Most of the trials themselves were held off until this past summer. Election cycle with your vegetable of a president trying to hype it up. Do the math bud.

You are seriously not with it, bud and irrational. I've followed this for the past three years and now you are going to tell me not to believe my eyes? Seriously your defending the indefensible. At some point you gotta put your big boy pants on and call out inhumane treatment of people. Anyway, this is clearly going nowhere and your purpose is to belittle. It's pathetic

Proven wrong yet you still persist. "More than a hundred cases are still awaiting trial."

You are clearly ignorant of the facts. Here's one example from 2023 where six Minnesotians were imprisoned and no trial date had been set in over two years https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/breaking-the-news/6-minnesotans-are-still-awaiting-trial-on-2nd-anniversary-of-jan-6th-capitol-riot/89-20147e5e-9a5e-49b4-8df3-abc25f07f35b As an aside, in the US many innocent people plead guilty so they don't lose their shirts in legal expenses. And spare me the bullshit that it's not happening.

Glad to see I'm not the only one they are doing the red herring thing to

And my point is these folks are sitting in a prison cell, some for 3 or 4 years without any sort of trial date set, for the equivalent of a trespassing charge while the folks at the FBI continue to fuel the narrative set by politicians, the press, and pay informants for basically doing the same thing.

Many people who are arrested and sitting in prison right now didn't engage in any violence but are still being dubbed as insurrectionists or in your case a violent mob.

This isn't true at all.

I never claimed there wasn't unknowns.

Sure. Based on the information at hand, 1. The FBI is paying informants 2. The informants are apparently breaking federal law. 3. This raises questions about the ethics of tax payers dollars going toward paying for such a thing 4. To me, it seems like the feds are in some way, whether directly or indirectly, contributing to this particular event 5. The extent to which that is, their coordination, etc still requires clarification, but 6. I would say that based on the information presented there is questionable methods and ethics that would support those who are raising the questions and alarms of the "fedsurrection" and to pass it off as a "conspiracy theory" is bogus. Just my two cents.

Well you are welcome to offer your input into the discussion if you choose but it's a little silly to be attacking the OP because you don't like the question, no? Welcome to forums where people will disagree with you

Yeah it is. You got hung up on lingo for about two pages The report specifies that paid FBI informants were entering the Capitol without authorization. Tell me why my conclusion is wrong for the sake of moving the conversation forward.

The tax payers have a right to know whether or not their tax dollars are being abused and spent on spinning narratives, or circumventing applicable civil liberties through paying third party "informants" to do the dirty work of the FBI that they likely WOULD NOT be able to do based on applicable legislation otherwise

I've already told you what I think. What's retarded is YOU getting hung up on whether or not somebody is using the lingo that you want them to use.

You are saying that I claimed it was a fedsurrection. In the English written language, (?) Signals a question. Do you understand what a (?) Is?

Oh shut up. Your question is loaded and retarded. That's why

https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2024/12/13/us/duke-lacrosse-accusations-crystal-mangum Remember the Obama administration used this in developing article 9 which lowered the bar or burden of proof and required a bunch of woke quackery to be developed on uni compasses.

RE The FedsurrectionI Listening to commentary, I believe it's worth looking into exactly what role the feds of all agencies played in J6. The paid informants broke federal law. They don't work directly with the FBI but still recieve funding from them. It's basically the same model of the government hiring a contractor to fix a road. Government contractors shouldn't be breaking federal laws There's no transparency therefore people fill in the gaps. Usually where there's smoke there's fire.

I don't understand your question. Are you suggesting that many, especially in conservative media, have not called this a "fedsurrection"? I've already outlined what I find sketchy about utilizing third party paid informants to skirt around constitutional rights. I haven't seen you debate the appropriateness of this method. Rather get stuck on words (which I've already corrected for the purpose of moving along the conversation).. this is basically the "wiretapping" conversation from a year ago and is a red herring

Misleading. As I've already pointed out, it's a contrast between the two sides in the public discourse on the matter.

Or just a simple mistake. I'm not up to date on all the lingo. Regardless, there's probably some form of contract with the FBI. Who are paid in some form Entrapment laws as one example.

It is semantics actually. By all appearances, the FBI is subcontracting out their work. By doing so, this makes these folks a non-government entity and in and of itself is a workaround of certain constitutional protections. Realistically, any evidence these informants captured during their illegal entrance into the Capitol would not be allowed in prosecutions. But because private investigators don't have to play by the same constitutional rules, then this allows the FBI to violate rights of people indirectly.

Actually, I started the thread with the two opposite narratives or understandings of the events on J6.