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1 hour ago, User said:
You don't have to say these things explicitly, they are the logical deductions from your comments. You try to argue that Ukraine was trashing people to support Russias invasion and then put conquered in quotes to support Russian invasion.
That is what you are doing. You are playing this up as Russia just saving the people from Ukraine to justify their actions.
It is, quite frankly, not very accurate at all. Especially because you are completely ignoring the fact that Russia is the one who was meddling in those regions, arming the separatists and infiltrating them with Russian operatives to cause the problems in the first place and their "vote" to separate was about as legitimate as Putins continued wild success in his "elections"
So, I have to ask myself, just how willing of a participant are you in pushing Russian propaganda here? Do you know what you are doing or are you just repeating it without much critical thought?
Also, Obama had been sending military aid, not sure where you get he stopped. He always had an issue with certain types of weaponry, I don't think that was because Obama was upset that Ukraine killed some civilians in isolated incidents when trying to fight armed insurgents backed by Russia.https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/obama-trump-biden-ukraine-military-aid-1.6371378
Obama sent blankets. That was the talking points of the day remember?
Trump started sending arms in 2018. Back then...
We were being warned that the Ukraine military had neo-nazi freaks and maybe couldn't be completely trusted. Then...as if by the magic of the cold war...Russia makes its "minor incursion" and poof...the Azov Batallion becomes the recipients of new arms and bales of cash. "Poof".
On the other side Putin, a Russian president that has been surrounded here by accusations of election tampering and "collusion" with Orangemanbad. The ultimate sin. I always found the sequence of events leading up to this...a little too convenient. Simple yet..."plausible". Sellable to at least half the population right from the onset. A cakewalk story. Anyway...
Russia attacks. They enter eastern Ukraine and North aimed at Kiev. Air strip, military installations, targeted. Nothing about that northern incursion made sense. Sh1t or get off the pot...and they just sat there. It was weird. But as Russia was drawing back their forces in the north, a treaty was being negotiated. The one Johnson killed.
Since then, hundreds of thousands have died. None of this was necessary. Frankly I'd like to charge Johnson with a war crime.
Today Russia has regrouped and expanded its troops about 5 fold. If Eastern Ukraine was being negotiated before, it's lost now. Maybe even Odessa.
America sends 61 billion in "aid"...to arms producers in America. Oh I'm sure some more drones and missiles will be sent, along with some cash, but the cost here is higher debt for us, and what? We can pat ourselves on the backs for feeding them so they don't die today?
What is needed is a negotiated peace deal now.
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2 minutes ago, User said:
It just gets worse... Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine across multiple fronts, including a head-on attempt to take Kyiv. They continue to push on all fronts beyond any land you talk about.
You might as well be working for Putin as a propaganda agent on this forum now for the kind of crap you are pushing with Ukraine "trashing" their people. Ah yes, of course, and the good and benevolent Putin is just protecting those good people from Ukraine...
So much for the moral equivalency game, you are cheering on Russia now.I never said Putin is benevolent or even a nice guy. I'm saying Ukraine cannot "win" and needs to negotiate with the Russians for a peace treaty.
As soon as Donbas and Luhansk voted to separate, the Ukrainian military began shelling civilians. Not even Obama could bring himself to send military aid under those conditions.
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3 minutes ago, User said:
Oh sure, its the moral equivalency game. Everyone is to blame, everyone is equally bad, so who cares if Russia invades and conquers Ukraine.
I get it, its an awful argument, but would have saved us some considerable time to just have been forthcoming with it much sooner.
Most of Ukraine is still there. Russia has not "conquered" anything but the lands of the folks Ukraine was busy trashing.
Question: Did the harshness of the Treaty of Versailles after WWI, have anything to do with the reasons for WWII?
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13 minutes ago, Hodad said:
You may be old, but we live in the era of video recording. Anyone can watch the MAGA mob howling "Hang Mike Pence," and erecting gallows and literally pursuing imperiled legislators, cornering them, and smashing through the door to get to the last place of refuge--before a shot was fired to stop the incursion. All of that is recorded and shine a stark light on your revisionist lies.
Ya...a brave cop shot an unarmed woman who happened to be a military veteran.
You're full of sh1t.!
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14 minutes ago, Hodad said:
Nancy, he tried and failed--and he was furious about it. You want to give him credit for failing in an attempted coup and call that a peaceful transfer of power?
Hell, they were still patching the windows and door at the capitol and scrubbing blood off the floor.No they were not "scrubbing blood off the floor" on the 23rd.
Man you just lie constantly don't you.
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14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:
Are you saying that we don't need "news" ? It's an interesting point, if so. I'm not sure how I would approach that position. I'd have to think on that.
News will always be available. Funding from our money through taxation or not.
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18 minutes ago, User said:
Its funny. I have had this kind of discussion with many folks before like you. In the end, I always peel back the layers of crap they throw out and get to the real meat and potatoes. It took a bit longer with you, but now the truth comes out.
You blame Ukraine. You think they deserve it. You don't see any difference between them or Russia. You want to see them get what they deserve now.
No. I "blame" all of them...including the USA and NATO and Russia.
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5 minutes ago, User said:
Putin is not a child. He is a ruthless dictator, former KGB Officer, and leader of a Nuclear power. You did not answer my question at all. Instead of asserting you would invite them to peace talks... you just restated it just as plainly that you would sit them both down.
You did not answer any of my questions about what exactly this "force" is you support from NATO.
There was no framework "reached" in 2022.
Russia has gone back and forth on their willingness to negotiate and Putin is a liar. Saying you are willing to negotiate doesn't mean there is anything reasonable they are willing to offer.
So... do what? We invate Russia to peace talks and then what? Are you in favor of support for Ukraine now?
If we don't continue to support Ukraine they have very little leverage to negotiate anything more than their surrender 100% to Russia. Is that what you want?
What happens when Russia does come to the peace talk making unrealistic demands... then what is your big plan?
Ukraine has little to no "leverage" now! There's an old saying I reiterate here often.
"Ya gits wut ya pays fer"
Perhaps Ukraine should have treated the ethnic Russians in the east, better than slaves and unwanted? Perhaps they shouldn't have attacked them? But they did.
I'm not excusing Russia from invading. I'm saying...if you kick a bear, the bear is likely to bite your leg off.
Putin is a liar. Zelinsky is a liar. Biden, Macron, all of them...liars.
In the mean time...it the Ukrainian people who foot the bill. Its gotten sick now.
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18 minutes ago, Hodad said:
The problem? What is "the problem"? Sorry, but only one political party has hunted legislators through the halls of the capitol, calling for the murder of the Vice President. Only one politician has tried to end the republic and seize power through a soft coup after losing an election.
You're half right. There was only an attempted coup. It was, thankfully, thwarted by Mike Pence, who put the good of the country before his own self interests.
Hodad...your continuous harping about the insurrection that wasn't is tiring and a complete lie.
No "political party" hunted anyone.
No politician hunted anyone.
Your constant attempts to force a square peg in a round hole is ridiculous.
As are you.
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17 minutes ago, User said:
You keep avoiding my questions about what exactly it is you mean when you want NATO to "force" an end to this. Is inviting Russia to peace talks the extent of "force" here? And when they say no or have unrealistic demands?
I did not say Ukrainians were eager for war. You think Russian troops are eager to go die in the meat grinder in a war of choice dictated by Putin? No, of course not. Russia is locking people up who are out protesting... Russian nationals trying to flee is at record highs.
You are playing both sides here, complaining that Ukraine lacks logistical capacity to fight... while also opposing helping to give them that. Russia is not coming to the peace table when they see NATO and the US back away from supporting them. So again, specifically, what exactly is it you want to see here other than vague peace talks? How do you expect to have Russia engage in any peace talks or not have totally unrealistic demands if we are not supporting Ukraine?What I mean is, sit them both down and have them negotiate seriously.
The original framework reached in 2022 would be a great starting point.
Remember...Russia says they are willing to negotiate any time Ukraine is ready.
Sooo...do it. Save some lives and let Blackrock re-build Ukraine...then own all its infrastructure.
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32 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:
Well, news has always been a loss leader so... you can see what is happening with it now. Nobody really wants it - and I know "nobody" is overstating it. My point is that a major building block of rational policy since the early 20th century, a bridge between government and the public will be lost. The last time we were in that state we didn't have universal suffrage I would guess.
Too bad so sad?
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5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:
Yeah - leslyn Lewis Came out of nowhere and almost won the leadership for the conservatives. She still does very well. The conservatives and the NDP have all elected female leaders. Both the conservative and liberal caucuses have had some serious female powerhouses over the years.
It is insulting and degrading to women to suggest that somehow if they're not given an artificial hand up they're incapable of doing the job or being elected. At that point you would be basically claiming they are inferior. I don't believe that to be true. Apperently the OP does
The OP is virtue signalling...plain and simple.
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Remove funding for all media and let's see who survives.
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On 4/23/2024 at 3:15 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:
Leaders of all three major parties who stand a chance to win the next election are male. There has been 23 Prime Ministers in Canada's history all of them male with the exception of Kim Campbell who served for a short time (and really screwed up but that had nothing to do with her gender).Half of Canada's population is female and this statistics is unfortunate and unacceptable in an advanced country such as Canada. This is not a backward Islamic country where women cannot be elected or served in high positions.
It seems things are not going well in Canada in this century. We need a female Prime Minister.
Empowered Women is empowered world.
How very stupid. Do you really think women are not "empowered" to get into politics?
As has been proven, when given completely free reign, men choose certain careers and women choose certain careers. In many, if not most cases, their choices are completely different. If that surprises you then I would suggest you know very little about either sex.
Some women would make great leaders. But overall, women tend to go into other professions. They make their choices of their own free will. This is clearly reflected by the numbers of each in politics and every other profession.
In summary, you cannot force women...or men...to choose careers they don't have any interest in. I'm sure you feel good about this stupidity you've displayed here but here's another truth.
Women gravitate to strong masulinity. Being a limp noodle may get you accolades. But it won't get you prodigy.
Be a man.
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1 hour ago, User said:
Sigh.
1. No, you asserted that Ukraine was running out of manpower, as if it were hopeless to continue to help them, so we need to just get it over with... but you have yet to explain what you mean here or how it will end. My point was to merely show you that Ukraine does have manpower and they are currently recruiting more. So, how exactly is it that you support NATO "forcing" an end to this?
2. At the current rate of expenses... there is nothing I see that shows NATO can't afford to continue. If you are so worried about NATO finances, you must surely understand the Russian finances are even worse. So how are they going to afford to continue compared to NATO?
3. There was never a realistic peace deal in the works and it is pure speculation not really supported by the evidence that it was somehow all Johnson that went there and killed it. I am not sure how to take it seriously at all that you say "Russia is doing just fine"
4. The logical conclusion of the arguments you have been making is practically inviting Russia to invade more countries. Why shouldn't they if we follow your war plan, which is to just let them. People were saying it was crazy to think Russia would invade Ukraine 5 years ago. Hell, Putin was denying it up until the moment he did. And it is not just NATO countries... I guess Moldova could easily be next.
Again... there was no serious consideration to join NATO. An offhand comment at a meeting where Putin says he is waiting for an invitation and will not stand in line is no serious diplomatic effort. Where did Putin pursue this goal outside of that offhand comment? And again... to what end had Russia done anything to offer major reforms to its country from being what amounts to essentially a dictatorship that's goals and objectives around the world, the morals and ethics they pursue, being counter to Western Culture? You just throw this crap on the wall and then act like you have just painted the Mona Lisa.
So yet again, please explain exactly what you mean by this war must end now.Good debate. Here's the current reality.
And the idea that Ukrainians are eager to go to war is nonsense.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66542065
Thousands have fleed and It appears thousands more will flee. Ukraine will have a hard time raising a military defense.
So...short of ammo...short of manpower...being ground to hamburger. And will Russia ever relinquish what they've captured? The saying "cold day in Hell" comes to mind.
It's already known...and has been for a long time now...that Ukraine simply does not have the manpower to win a drawn out war of attrition. Russia now outnumber them by at least 2 to 1. They are armed to the teeth while Ukraine is now having to budget their arms usage.
You wanna save what's left of Ukraine? Invite the Russians to Switzerland in July and hammer out a peace deal.
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6 hours ago, User said:
Well, no. Your other assertions here have been bothering me a lot. You have ignored most of it several times now.
If we abandon Ukraine now... Russia isn't going to settle with the land they have, they will continue to press and conquer Ukraine. So I have no idea what you are talking about in regards to their keeping only a quarter of it.
The fact that Russia is getting away with anything they have done so far "bothers" me. It should bother everyone. If we can support Ukraine and stop Russia from going farther that is a good thing. Abandoning Ukraine and effectively giving the war to Russia now would "bother" me.
Ok...so you assert...that...
1. With proper financing from NATO nations, Ukraine can hold Russia to a stalemate for 250 years. I disagree but assuming the Ukrainians would be willing, what would be the point of that? So that in 250 years Russia has possession of the land they have today? It would be wiser of NATO to force a peace deal on them both and be done with it. Ukraine gets to rebuild and Ukrainians get to live.
2. NATO nations cannot afford to pay to keep Ukraine functional and arm them. It drags all NATO nations further toward financial disaster. Russia and China know this. Both have their own financial issues, but is the USA or any NATO nation willing to divest from China? No.
3. There was a realistic peace deal in the works 2 years ago. Why did Johnson go there and kill it? What did he offer Zelinsky to get him to do an about face? It's commonly said that this war will degrade Russia and that's a good outcome. But Russia appears to be doing just fine. Now Zelinsky wants another peace deal summit in Switzerland this July...without Russian presence. Just about the dumbest, most presumptuous idea I've heard in a very long time.
4. This idea that Russia will attack a NATO nation after they "conquer" Ukraine is asinine. If a full scale war breaks out between Russia and NATO, it'll have been a NATO nation that starts it...and you already know that I suspect.
Yes...Russia did want to be a NATO member. NATO could have negotiated term that both sides could agree to, but chose not to. Granted, Putin's condition of not having to apply and stand in line, was a bit presumptuous, but negotiations could have resulted in a unified Europe. Now who do you suppose this rejection benefited? Certainly not the European population.
This is a war of misguided convenience by the USA. They are using the Ukrainians as cannon fodder in an effort to neutralize Russia...but it isn't working.
This farce needs to end now before some dumb pr1ck causes a full scale war in Europe.
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6 hours ago, Hodad said:
You mean *after* the coup failed? 🙄
There was no coup. You should stop lying now. You look ridiculous.
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7 hours ago, robosmith said:
It is bad, and sad. Don't you agree that foreigners should not be influencing YOUR elections?
How would you feel if Putin was helping Trudeau?
I post my opinions and draw those opinions from what I see.
Live with it.
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1 hour ago, Caswell Thomas said:
I dunno, you seen and heard the Courts results on Trump today yet? He's losing on all fronts, his attorneys who were promoting still the farce that he is still president were all indicted today on grand felonies in Arizona, the Supreme Court is not sounding like they will be backing the immunity claims Trump wants , and the PEW Research is out on who us still supporting this loser and he again has lost several (more) percentage points on whether or not they would vote for him. The PEW Research centers itself on both sides viewpoints...not just one side.
Brandon owns the border.!
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1 hour ago, robosmith said:
It bothers me far more that so many of the MAGA CULT likes Trump, cause they can VOTE.
It does bother me that Putin can and does provide ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN AID for Trump and that he EXPLOITS it GLADLY.
Too bad so sad?
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22 hours ago, Caswell Thomas said:
Its so easy to 'blame it all in the Republicans' because it us the Republicans fault!
Lol...what a liar.
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31 minutes ago, Hodad said:
It was a blatantly and willfully illegal attempt to overturn an election and seize power. For the first time in the nation's history, a sitting president refused the peaceful transfer of power upon which our democracy is predicated. There is no precedent for it. There is no process to deal with it. Prior to this instance, it was unthinkable. The ONLY reason we didn't immediately plunge into an unimaginable constitutional crisis is because this particular desecration of the office was a bridge too far for otherwise compliant. Mike Pence. The republic is intact today because he grew a backbone when it mattered most.
What name would you like to give it?
The Lousiana Purchase was unconstitutional. Presidents test powers all the time. And it often works out. This is not that.
You cannot seriously be arguing that testing presidential powers, as all presidents have done, is in any way, shape or form the same thing as an attempted coup. That's just laughable.
"Sure, Trump tried to engineer a coup, but Biden tried to forgive some student loans, so he's just as bad! Hyuk!"You people have gotten to the point where you can hand-wave and rationalize and forgive and support any insane thing that Trump does, but I cannot even begin to imagine the outrage if a losing Biden leaned on Harris to illegally seize power in the same fashion.
That's nonsense. It's actually pretty common practice to request recounts in specific counties--particularly when counties control the administration of ballots. And that was indeed the practice in Florida at the time. And it was NOT obviously illegal. Indeed, it was the Florida Supreme Court ordered those individually recounted counties included.
But beyond that, again, it's wildly disingenuous to compare pursuit of legal remedy to pursuit of illegal remedy. Trump was allowed every opportunity to appeal to the courts, just as Gore and Bush did. He and his cronies were laughed out of court 60+ times because they had no evidence and no legal standing. When that happens, it means you've lost. It doesn't mean that the next option is to stage a farking coup. Complete bullshit that you'd justify the latter with the former.
Sally...Trump did not refuse the peaceful transfer of power. On the 23rd, the power transfer happened without a hitch.
You need to stop lying so regularly.
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26 minutes ago, robosmith said:
Microsoft finds Russian influence operations targeting U.S. election have begun
Of course, Trump's announcement he won't spend a penny on Ukraine means he is Putin's favorite AGAIN. 🤮
Does it bother you which of the candidates Putin likes?
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2 hours ago, User said:
Abandoning Ukraine doesn't result in a peace deal, it results in a Russian victory.
Is that what bothers you? That Russia would keep about a quarter of Ukraine as it was?
Microsoft finds Russian influence operations targeting U.S. election have begun
in Federal Politics in the United States
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Ok. China did get involved in our last election and Trudeau new about it. He's already paying for his stupidity. His own side dislike him now. Shortly after Trump starts his second term, Pixie-Dust will be disposed of.
Isn't it strange how collusion actually looks like a Libbie tactic?
Hillary, Hunter, Brandon...all have had their "collusion" with assorted Russians and Chinese.