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Just remember whenever a right wing gun nut shoots up a school or mall nobody is allowed to talk abut guns without the right wing nutjobs on this site falsely accusing them of being “happy” and not showing respect for the dead. But if there’s even the most remote possibility the killer is Muslim or can somehow associated with “the left” then its all good, it doesn’t count Notice how their tone changed once the Tesla bomber was revealed to be a Trump supporter.

I assume so. Famously, they put tampons in the mens room for biological females who ID as male so presumably they allow the opposite.

In other words I got the better of your short attention span and inability to argue the facts. Here’s a tip: stop posting loads of your bullshit claims if you don’t want each of them to be excoriated in detail line by line. The legacy MAGA movement and multiple luminaries just got smoked in the face by the new technobro oligarchs who are now driving the MAGA bus, that’s what happened. You can continue lying and pretend it was just a couple of random people and not some of MAGAs biggest influencers if you want. As I clearly demonstrated, each MAGA lives in their own unique reality and changes it at will to suit whatever is convenient in the moment

Not at all and since Elon told the MAGAs to go “f-ck themselves in the face” and started banning them from X you have to admit that once again I was right and you deniers were wrong. It’s literally what Vivek said. Actually it kinda has been or at least Trump’s strength. I would argue it’s actually a weakness for your average Trump supporter. Trump support comes from a varied assortment of followers who live in completely opposite realties from each other and even change their own realities at will, for example : Trump alone cured COVID by developing a vaccine. Trump alone knew COVID was a hoax and the vaccine kills people. Trump alone knows Putin is a good guy. Trump is Putin’s greatest foe. Trump fought like hell for the 2020 election that was stolen from him. Trump just kindly asked some election people to double check their work if they could spare the time and then conceded defeat, nothing different than any other presidential candidate Trump publicly condemned J6 as a “heinous attack” on democracy and did everything possible to stop it and denounce the attackers. Trump knows J6 was a legitimate and justified peaceful protest and those arrested are political prisoners. And on and on. But this is not a “big tent” success story. “Big Tent is when largely live in a shared reality but simply have different philosophies amd priorities. But in MAGA not only are there completely contradictory perceived realities between different Trump supporters you will see contradictory versions of reality coming from the same Trump supporter: one minister they’re claiming one thing, the next minute they’re claiming the exact opposite. Talk about having different voices in your head! We see it here in this forum all the time. The reason is that to MAGAs, as long as you support Trump nothing else matters and objective reality is irrelevant. This explains why Trump supporters on here rarely argue with each other even when expressing wildly contradictory versions of reality in the same thread, Ive only seen arguments a few times and only with MAGAs who support Putin. This is why the same Trump supporter will completely contradict his previous claims in order to defend Trump on whatever the new topic is. In MAGAland, reality doesn’t matter, facts don’t matter, logic doesn’t matter, they’re just temporarily useful things to assert in the moment when you’re try to defend your infallible leader, whether they’re true or not and can be discarded immediately afterwards Trump rode this all the way to the White House twice. Diversity of reality perception among MAGAs is Trump’s strength. Uhh 1)have you HEARD what conservatives and republicans say about every single democrat or liberal candidate in recent history? Project much LOL. Oh wait you’re going to say “but when we do it doesn’t count because we’re always right”. 2) you failed to give even s single example of any lib/dem saying it’s anti-working class to hire a person with formal qualifications, which was your original claim. So you get a FAIL. No that’s a complete misrepresentation. Nobody said he’s “unqualified” we said he’s a hypocrite to portray himself as some sort of Ottawa outsider and champion of the people and the working man when he’s been a lifelong Ottawa swamp creature with a multimillion dollar government pension since age 31 as a result even as he voted against pension increases for Canadians and voted for raising Canadians’ retirement age. He’s guaranteed an Ottawa government pension of almost a quarter million a year while publicly attacking Jagmeet Singh’s $66,000/yr pension entitlement. He’s not unqualified to be the head Ottawa swamp creature, he’s overqualified. And you exaggerate the alleged greatness of the Harper government which was mostly a minority government as well as PP’s role in it, when he was still a junior troll, most famous for calling people communist or socialist or a marxist and other cheap insults whenever he didn’t like what they had to say. He still likes to do that from time to time. It’s certainly a stretch to call him “the most qualified in Canada” considering he’s never held a cabinet position or lead a large organization or had any management experience and hasn’t been party leader for long either. But he’s not less qualified than others, certainly not less than JT. Huh? I wasn’t anything of the sort Bullshit. Having been a VP, Senator and AG of America’s most populous state is more qualification than a lot of presidents including Trump when he first ran. And yet Republicans dishonestly insisted this wasn’t sufficient. They didn’t falsely claim she was “unqualified” they just preferred Biden, a 2-term VP under the highly successful and highly popular Obama administration who was supposed to have run in 2016 instead of Hillary. Only your side is allowed to say that about your enemies, right? The far right has a lot of scum and so does the MAGA movement in general. Canadian conservatives are still mostly reasonable with PPC syphoning off the worst of the far right. But the right still has a lot of people who think they’re entitled to chase politicians and news media down the street, scream vulgar obscenities at them, throw gravel at them, middle fingers at TV cameras, etc. The displays of vulgarity such as the “F-ck Trudeau” flags and bumper stickers etc are unique to the right, there’s no liberal or NDP equivalent (ONE Alberta guy made a homemade F Harper sign back in the day and was fined almost $550 in Alberta, the self-proclaimed land of freedom). The right thinks they’re somehow uniquely and exclusively entitled to that conspicuous vulgar behaviour and your targets are obliged to take it in silence. Talk about dehumanizing.

Trump picks DOGE over MAGA. Was there ever any doubt he’d side with his billionaires and not with the MAGA rabble?? Remember MAGAs, Elon wants you to “F*ck yourself in the face” Trump sides with Musk on support for H-1B visas for foreign tech workers Donald Trump on Saturday sided with Elon Musk, a key supporter and billionaire tech CEO, in a public dispute over the use of the H-1B visa, saying he fully backs the program for foreign tech workers opposed by some of his supporters. Trump’s remarks followed a series of social media posts from Musk, the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, who vowed late Friday to go to “war” to defend the visa program for foreign tech workers. Trump, who moved to limit the visa’s use during his first presidency, told the New York Post on Saturday he was likewise in favor of the visa program. “I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times. It’s a great program,” he was quoted as saying. Musk, a naturalized US citizen born in South Africa, has held an H-1B visa, and his electric-car company Tesla obtained 724 of the visas this year. H-1B visas are typically for three-year periods, though holders can extend them or apply for green cards. …. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/28/trump-musk-h1b-visas?utm_term=6770f6f855d701d5ac131f1a0dc593e8&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUK_email

There doesn’t have to be progression of achievements on an established path. Lots of jobs don’t have that. There isn’t one for VP or President either but that didn’t stop you from squealing about Kamala qualifications. Someone in charge of a budget in the billions of dollars and a department with hundreds of thousands of employees, whose decisions can directly affect tens of millions of Americans is expected to have a combination of knowledge and experience commensurate with that level of responsibility, not some random boob who got the job because he had the most ass-kissing tweets.

Nothing to do with meritocracy? That’s a new one. While they are also political appointments, the appointees are supposed to be highly qualified. Trump’s appointments don’t even meet minimal qualifications.

Yes books have been banned from schools and public libraries. Book bans are on the rise in U.S. schools, fueled by new laws in Republican-led states https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-04-22/book-bans-soaring-schools-new-laws-republican-states Book banning in the United States (2021–present) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_banning_in_the_United_States_(2021–present) Aka books were banned Lies. No such books were ever in schools. The issue is about imposing YOUR moral/religious beliefs on the bodies of women who don’t share those beliefs. And suggesting women get abortions “for mere convenience” is another lie. Hey genius why don’t you stop and think about this ridiculous narrative you’re selling . You would have us believe that throughout history and up until very recently trannies always used the public washroom that corresponded to their biological sex and birth, until democrats came along recently and somehow started “pushing” them into the other washroom. Do you havre memories of trannies dressed like women pissing in the men’s urinal? The reality is that since the dawn of time they have used whatever washroom is the most comfortable and that’s usually the one that matches their outward appearance. It’s REPUBLICANS who suddenly ginned up a culture war and seem to want tranny police in the washrooms inspecting everyone’s junk and demanding ID.

Agree with it or not it wasn’t a power grab but what governments of all political stripes around the world thought was right based on the advice of non-political experts and those restrictions ended once they felt they were no longer needed Conservatives OTOH force ideology down others throats. I mentioned a long list already. Let’s add Doug Ford’s attempt to use the notwithstanding clause just for some minor tinkering with Toronto city hall composition based on some personal pet theory of his that turned out to be a failure. Another example of the willingness to use the constitutional nuclear option for trivial matters. Wah wah conservatives pass laws too. Republicans came up withe Patriot Act amd had people abducted and flown to torture sites all over the world, spied on people who rightly criticized their bogus lies on invading Iraq. Republicans passed laws to prevent milk producers saying “hormone free” and subjected others to compelled speech forcing them to say there’s nothing wrong with with having artificial hormones in milk. Republicans repeal laws that prevent financial advisors from ripping off their clients and allow polluters to poison citizens with impunity. Republicans have regulated everything from banning baggy pants to the books in libraries. They tried to make it an act of of terrorism to film animal abuse in slaughterhouses. And you have Ron De Santis weaponing the state against Disney because they dared to publicly criticize him, ripping up Reedy Creek and threatening to surround Disney with toll roads and prisons. Snitch lines for teachers, forced religious education, forcing schools to out up religious signage, Republicans are heavy handed. What about Chris Christie Fort Lee bridge scandal? He shut down a town’s main thoroughfare for days without warning for no reason but to cause major traffic jams as punishment voting Democrat in a recent election. People couldn’t get to work or school or the hospital emergency services were screwed You mention citizens United as if that’s a good thing. A corporatist Republican backed court ruling that gave corporations the right to make unlimited campaign control to politicians on the basis the corporations are people and their campaign contributions are protected free speech. That is the biggest monster in the swamp and a direct threat to democracy. When Republicans say they oppose laws and regulations they only oppose barriers to unfettered corporate rule. For decades the Republicans have operated ALEC, where republicans from every level of government across the country literally meet with corporations that dictate legislation to them. The corporations literally ghostwrite the bills for them. One republican stupidly introduced a bill into his stat legislature written on the corporate letterhead And then of course you have Trump trying to outright steal the 2020 election that’s about as authoritarian as it gets

There’s your opposite-of-reality fabrication again. If anything liberals are guilty of supporting anti-authority, non-conformity and protesting too much. Conservatives are the ones historically obsessed with social hierarchy and minding your place, conformity, hero worship, etc. Conservatives coined the term “bleeding heart liberals” for a reason and it’s precisely because they believe liberals are too sympathetic and compassionate while certain people-the poor, homeless, drug addicted etc — are undeserving of sympathy due to their “poor life choices”. Conservatives are social Darwinists who have actually argued for decades that compassion has no place in public policy and people must be left to sink or swim on their own. Absolutely false Pick any topic: same sex marriage, marijuana, abortion, book banning, forcing public school teachers to teach the bible, what public washroom a tranny is allowed to use, cancelling Bud Light, cancelling all the Republicans who dared to criticize Trump…and so on. There are countless examples. And that’s just recently. Back in the day conservatives had freakouts over Ellen Degeneres being gay, Murphy Brown fictional TV character being a single mother, swear words in rap music, and a thousand other things. Controlling people and forcing conformity is a key feature of conservatism. Clearly anyone can see its the conservatives trying to control people and what they think. I mean FFS not only were you conservatives trying to ban gay marriage (still are in the USA) you tried to use the notwithstanding clause, the nuclear option to suspend charter rights to do it And this MAGA civil war with Elon banning his critics is a perfect example although MAGAs and Musk don’t really align with any known definition of the word “conservative” that’s the host the MAGA parasite has chosen to infect.

MAGA supporters tend to be low income and, low education hardly the “results driven” high achievers you would have us believe They also operate on emotion rather than knowledge understanding or logic Trumps appointments easily disprove that claim. Besides The MAGA base trends to be low income, low achievement, blaming others for their low station - the exact opposite of merit.

Truth hurts, RWNJ. That’s why you got nothing to say but insults. Go back to your fake news bubble

I wonder if that user was sharing a fake Elon tweet though. In the MAGAverse, fakes and lies are everywhere.

You couldn’t afford to meet me where l am and the neighbours would call the cops if someone like you were spotted lurking around the neighbourhood

hun? You are totally whacked. The only people with conspiracy theories about molesting kids have been the batshit MAGA QAnons. And this is no clever hillbilly. We are watching the legacy MAGAs wage war with the Trump technobros. Who will Trump choose? Not to mention we haven’t touched on the other Republican rift between Trump and Johnson

And yet you’re posting in this in this thread, completely off-topic….that’s actually posting blindly

😂😂😂😂 Once again Elon’s supposed “free speech” activism exposed as a lie as he spins out into censorsing dictator mode yet AGAIN. This time MAGAs will take notice since they’re the victims, they haven’t minded his shutuppery and deplatforming when someone else was on the receiving end but I doubt they’ll take kindly to it now. Pass the popcorn. False.

Elon Musk’s Newest Critics on X Just Paid the Price Conservative influencers slammed Elon Musk over his recent posts on immigration—and now they’re being punished. The online beef between Donald Trump’s Silicon Valley backers and the more traditionally conservative MAGA base has culminated in Elon Musk allegedly using X to censor his fellow Trump supporters. Laura Loomer, Gavin Mario Wax, ConservativePAC, and Owen Shroyer all had their X verification badges removed Thursday night after criticizing Musk’s stances on labor and immigration earlier in the day. All of our influencers have now lost verification status, as well as our own page,” the Trump-supporting ConservativePAC wrote. “Our brand did nothing. We spoke out against HB1 visas and it appears that @elonmusk intentionally shut us down? Is this the new status quo from America’s ‘most free’ social media platform?” “I mean right after @elonmusk called me a troll today, my account verification was taken away, my subscriptions were deactivated and I was banned from being able to buy premium even though I was already paying for premium,” said Loomer. “Clearly retaliation.” “My verification badge is now under review. Weird! Didn’t change anything,” said Gavin Mario Wax, another vocal critic of H-1B visas. … “Insane that blue checks are being removed from accounts that have been vocal in their criticism of the H1B racket. Horrible look,” conservative influencer Wax said in a separate post. “I’ve supported Elon and X. Anyone who was at the @NYYRC gala can attest that I dedicated a large portion of my speech to praising Elon. Sad!” This racialized internal strife has yet to be commented on by President-elect Trump, and may spell trouble for the future of DOGE, Musk, and Ramaswamy. https://newrepublic.com/post/189683/elon-musk-critics-x-immigration-paid-price-verification?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=topic%2Fliberal

The left also cares about the uneducated slobs with no intellect. Those are the people who need public services the most. Keep in mind conservatives including you repeat the racist suggestion that the entire race is too simple-minded to understand their own issues and interests and has been fooled by Democrats for generations. And conservatives call women who don’t believe in conservative principles “feminazis” and also repeat lies that the feeble female brain is easily fooled by those conniving democrats to explain why women overwhelmingly vote democrat.

I have a very specific memory from my day in the reserve, on what was then called QL-2. The rankings handed out were total BS, people who were known to be physically fit given poor fitness scores etc. Basically it was a ranking of the LT’s favourites. So I take that with a grain of salt. Which is why I am asking if that actually happens. Do you have evidence that they’re going hundreds deep to find rhe best non-SWM? Underpinning your argument is the claim that SWM=inherently qualified and non-SWM = inherently unqualified behind hundreds of more qualified SWMs. All I asking for is evidence that this is happening.

I am just asking the question: is there any evidence of any incompetent/unqualified DEI hires in roles right now? Like if someone can show me that say only 1 in 10 straight white males are unqualified and incompetent but 4 in 10 non-SWMs are unqualified incompetent, I would accept that as being evidence. But what Im hearing instead sounds like “because some sort of DEI policy exists on paper ipso facto the ranks and leadership are filled with unqualified and incompetent non-SWMs.”

I think my logic is sound but yours is questionable. 1)Again I am not necessarily advocating for DEI hiring I am asking for evidence that any DEI policies have filled riles with incompetent people. I am questioning that it is as bad as you say it is, not defending what you claim is happening 2)To your argument I don’t think anyone ever suggested that a couple years of DEI hiring would magically and instantly undo decades of toxic leadership. Furthermore it’s not like the entire CAF leadership has turned over to DEI candidates it’s still overwhelmingly straight white male and probably always will be. 3) The subtext of your argument reads like you’re saying: “since DEI hiring hasn’t fixed all the problems created by 100% straight white male leadership, DEI is a failure and we should return to 100% straight white male leadership” which logically doesn’t make sense. What am I asking you is: are you sure that was the case before DEI? Let’s not romanticize what it is like without DEI, it was never a perfect meritocracy. We all know there has always been plenty of favouritism, old boys networks, social cliques, office politics and completely subjective assessments of people’s ability. That’s life everywhere. Some people are granted exceptions to the rules and opportunities to go on courses, prove their abilities in front of leadership, etc while others get screwed on technicalities and never get a chance to showcase what they can contribute. And sometimes just like in a union, “time in” matters more than merit and ability. There are all kinds of informal and unofficial gatekeepers in life and the CAF isn’t immune from that.

No, Trump’s BASE is the under $50k crowd with no post secondary education I am objectively far more successful No the legacy MAGA influencers are starting to meltdown. We’ll see how far it goes

My question was do we have evidence of anyone being unqualified for the job they have been given and obviously if its a leadership role then thats part of the job. So my question still stands. Yeah, I don’t think anyone disagrees with the idea that women are less likely to be interested in the military, what’s your point? To the rest of the post, it seems to imply that if the person is a straight white male, it is certain that he got the job because he was and is the most competent and qualified person for the job. But we all know that’s often not the case. In the CAF one straight white male senior leader -a RCAF wing commander- was literally a serial rapist and murderer. You know what they would be saying if he had been non-white or female Obviously incompetent or less competent people should not be given positions. All I am asking is if we have examples where the non-white/non-males have shown themselves to be unworthy of the roles they have been given, compared to white males who have shown themselves to be unworthy.

No, they are mob of random people who can’t even agree on what the problem is and have little understanding of how the world works. Trump and his appointees take advantage of their follower’s ignorance and make vague incoherent and contradictory statements which his followers interpret differently according to their own belief. That’s like saying he’s talked about the weather or the economy since the 1990s. Everyone “talks about” those things. But apparently a big faction of the legacy MAGA movement does have an issue with it and they don’t like that the new MAGAs (Musk, Ramaswammy, other techbros amd billionaires) are pushing them aside.