BeaverFever

Who is “he,” what board of directors is “he” on and how much are rhey paying him?

WTF are you talking about? 1)US doesn’t carry them on its back. 2) USA became the wealthiest and most powerful country in world history precisely because of the global economic order it created and lead, which Trump is now trying to dismantle. Huh? No, “let them eat cake” is a conservative mentality towards the pee-ons. Liberals believe they should get their fair slice of the pie.

Uh no the Trump administration’s mismanagement of this issue outclasses Trudeau and the worst administrations of any western democracy by a country mile. As I already said this economic disaster isn’t simply a case of bad policy, poor planning, or poor policy implementation, all of which could be said about things Trudeau and other governments have done. Trump is unique in that his followers have anointed him to sit on a throne and make shit up as he goes day by day despite the fact that he clearly has no knowledge or understanding of what he’s doing and his actions contradict all understanding of economics and geopolitics. Even his own cabinet members don’t support what is happening have no idea what he’s doing or why and what will happen next, it’s government by whim of the emperor and it changes daily Trudeau tried novel policies some of which didn’t work out as expected or were poorly executed but it wasn’t due to Trudeau alone making shit up every morning and changing his mind then changing it back again day after day because he’s in a bad mood. And the fact that you try to downplay this completely self-inflicted economic and geopolitical disaster that has cost the economy trillions of dollars and the US its position as trusted global leader as some easily reversed minor misstep or hiccup is laughable. By all measures the economy was “firing on all cylinders” in 2024 under Biden and Trump has erased all of that. You have no basis to say it would have been worse under Kamala other than your own deep bias. It hurt US agriculture badly and Trump provided bailouts That was another of Trump’s unsubstantiated claims which resulted in Canada imposing counter-tariffs. Ultimately while it created a few thousand new US steel jobs, up to 75,000 US manufacturing jobs were lost as steel prices soared and certain specialized types of steel not made in the US but still tariffed by Trump became expensive and scarce. Like what exactly? Be specific

The charges are not specious why must you nutbars scream conspiracy every time reality is inconvenient to your political ideology?

Elections have consequences Farmers in Trump country paying the price when the guy they voted for did what he said he would do Let us recall that in Trump’s first term his trade war hurt farming so badly Trump had to give them a big bailout And yet they voted for him again anyway and are hoping for more bailouts

Lol it’s not playing politics to criticize the epic negligence and incompetence of the Trump administration. Lest I belabour the point the US economy and therefore the world economy has now been placed under one man rule and that man knows nothing about economics, enacting policies that directly contradict all widely accepted economic theories and is just making it up as ye goes day by day. You know there’s a difference between replacing established orthodoxy with a new upstart theory and what Trump is doing which is no coherent theory at all. And the pee-ons certainly deserve their piece of the pie but they’re trying to get it from someone who doesn’t know how to bake and doesn’t really care about them other than using them to take over the bakery Also as has been mentioned repeatedly, it was Republicans who took away the pee-on’s pie to begin with

Tl;DR: while successive US Presidents have demanded Europeans spend more on defence they have opposed and obstructed European attempts to develop military capabilities that can operate independently of the US, as well as European attempts to buy more European military equipment instead of US equipment (nearly 2/3 of European military spending is on US equipment) even though USA buys hardly any non-US equipment. What USA really wants is for Europeans to support the US defence industry at the expense of their own and to have small European militaries that can do nothing except be an add-on niche accessory to a US force.

Yeah you’re worse LOL Maybe you should read some of your own posts some time Sure but in scale and importance this is the biggest and most important of them all. And as I described in detail it’s not simply a policy “backfiring”

The global economy is being reordered by trump the same way the twin towers were reordered by the 9/11 hijackers. Even if we pretend Trump had some noble purpose (he doesn’t) and even if we pretend having a global economy was the problem (it isn’t) he is going about it the most reckless and incompetent way. The US economy is dependent upon the current system global trade and if you’re going to change that you have to do it in a thoughtful considered way in partnership with all the domestic and international stakeholders. Secondly while I appreciate that MAGAs are all now finally repeating all the left-wing talking points about the rich getting richer and the plight of the working class, I will remind you that it was republicans who have made their political career over decades declaring these concerns irrelevant. Manufacturing jobs are not coming back. Nobody wants to earn $10 a day as they do in the places where the jobs went and nobody wants to pay $600 for a toaster just to support middle class jobs for toaster makers. Factory jobs were never really good paying to begin with they were only better than alternatives in economically depressed areas where they tended to build factories just for that reason. And it was republican union-busting that helped ensure they remained low paying. Furthermore if manufacturing jobs DO come back they’re likely not going back to the rustbelt factory towns in the middle of nowhere where they used to be. Also a lot of those jobs didn’t go overseas they were replaced by automation or made redundant by consolidation after corporate mergers as companies grew by acquiring their competitors Lastly considering the cost to society (public and private costs ) of raising a person to working age in a first world country, having them perform the unskilled labour currently being done by “Chinese peasants” as Vance recently said is incredibly inefficient.

Except as you describe it : Which is way more than 20% considering he’s barely been in office 2 months There are so many layers of negligence and incompetence here: Its not like he took a well- researched and widely supported policy but he just implemented it poorly Its not like he took a chance on an innovative, well researched but highly unconventional policy that made sense in theory but turned out to not work in practice It’s not like this failed policy was some inconsequential side project of his administration that had no real relevance to his administration or the economy 1) His economic theory was absolute gibberish made up in his own head and showed he lacks even a basic grasp of economic principles. And it was based on fake numbers that don’t even attempt to appear credible. The fact that his enablers in the White House and congress allowed him to implement this crazy scheme just shows how irresponsible US politics had become and it has destroyed what few shreds of credibility the increasingly dysfunctional United States had left 2) Not only is it absolutely insane that the entire global economy is being reordered based on the crazy idea of ONE MAN who knows nothing on the subject and is contradicting all accepted principles of economics, but on top of that this insanely terrible idea was implemented in an insanely terribly way with all the daily contradictory statements by White House officials and Trump contradicting himself as well as on-again-off-again tariffs and public infighting between officials It’s clearly just a chaotic madhouse over there nobody knows what’s going on or how anything works or even what their goal is Anyone who tried to do something similarly incoherent, irresponsible and incompetent at their work with majorly serious repercussions for their employer and business partners would be fired on the spot This is so shockingly negligent it’s practically grounds for impeachment So someone saying they disagree with his tariffs but still 80% like him is like saying they disagree with Hitler’s holocaust and wars but still 80% like him.

Well let’s be honest they have given multiple contradictory explanations for the tariffs. Because they’ve also said countries can negotiate away their tariffs by dropping tariffs against US goods or making other unspecified “deals” with the Trump administration (ergo no need to relocate). Other times they said the tariffs were not negotiable and are intended to be a new permanent revenue source (which obviously wouldn’t apply if people relocate) Trump has said he wants to return to how things were in gilded age of the late 19th century but there weren’t any “good paying factory jobs” in those days or any “good paying jobs” at all. In fact back then people who performed paid labour instead of farming or being self-employed were considered deadbeats and at the bottom of society

Oooooh a random blog post by an anonymous author. How impressive

What a joke. 90 plus countries are not falling over themselves to cut deals, many of those countries will be scrambling to cut deals with china in fact, as Japan and S Korea are allegedly exploring. Once again Trump suspended his ridiculous tariffs after vowing not to…because his scam is failing miserably. The only one Trump is isolating is America. And he doesn’t understand that every time he flip-flops he just proves yet again he is unreliable, untrustworthy and erratic.

Not across the board tariffs like this orange id1ot is doing

Except that is the exact opposite of what Trump said. He never told voters there may be price increases or market tanking. In fact he said the exact opposite. He said the golden age would start of day one. He said markets would go up and prices would go down on day one. He even claimed that the market increases happening under Biden were happening because the market was expecting a Trump election victory. And now he has paused his tariffs YET AGAIN due to market chaos and very public and toxic infighting amongst members of his administration with Elon tweeting that Trump’s biggest tariff advocate Peter Navarro is a “mor0n” and calling him “Peter Retarrdo”

Because tariffs hurt everyone involved

USA also has limits on dairy and egg imports. Not just tariffs, they have actual BANS on any imports above their limit. And we import more dairy from then than vice versa

Pfft On a 5-year basis.Yeah no girl is ugly if you zoom out far enough, eh? Also are you trying to seriously gaslight us into believing nobody complained about the economy during the pandemic and supply chain issues?

Interesting interview with conservative columnist Andrew Coyne on the conservative platform The Hub. I don’t agree with all of Coyne’s opinions but I often find his analyses informative and thoughtful and most importantly fair Andrew Coyne on Poillievre vs. Carney, Trump, and the future of the conservative movement “Globe and Mail columnist Andrew Coyne joins Hub Dialogues to talk about why the Conservatives seem to be struggling to find their footing in an election that doesn’t include Justin Trudeau, but does include Donald Trump. He also talks to us about Trump, the future of journalism, and his upcoming book,“The Crisis of Canadian Democracy”, which explains why our democratic institutions are not as strong as we believe them to be.”

That’s like someone saying they don’t agree with communism but support Stalin because of his support for the arts, in that the thing you don’t support is his defining feature and isan outrage / blunder for the history books. By comparison, nobody will remember the tampon wars. BTW I never said I supported tampons in mens room I don’t care one way or the other. It’s not the end of the world either way.

Still avoiding the subject at hand just throwing out whataboutery …why are you here?

LMAO the numbers are the same everywhere loser. You don’t know shit in real time or delayed time So can you link me to where Trump promised he would destroy the stock market and economy for half his presidency before it got better because I can only find clips of him saying the markets and economy would take off ON DAY ONE and where he said the economic success Americas experienced in 2024 under BIDEN was because markets knew he was going to win the election and the Trump economy had already started. As usual you’re a shameless cult follower who changes his story every 5 minutes to defend DEAR LEADER even in the face of the obvious of t Don’t worry neither does @Delugebecause it never happened

So that was you saying YOU disagree with him? Is that how MAGAs have to tone down their language to avoid being targeted by MAGA cancel culture? And given the gargantuan size of this policy - we’re the destruction of the American and global economy and THE centrepiece of his entire presidency- how can anyone who agrees that this is massive incompetence say they still support him? We’re not talking about something trivial like tampons in the men’s room here or an issue where recognized experts and schools of thought are divided on both sides, we’re talking about something of the highest importance and relevance to lives across the country and around the world where practically EVERYONE agrees these policies aren’t just wrong but reflect an unprecedented level of ignorance and incompetence lacking an even basic level of knowledge and understanding

And in fact contrary to your fake news Biden decreased them, which is among many of the facts mentioned in the real news LMAO you are learning that’s not true in real time