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If we could test everyone, we would know who to isolate, and we could stop the spread. After that we would just need to have people entering Canada prove that they had tested negative. Maybe then we could get back to a normal life.

Why aren't we putting more resources into covid19 testing? It seems to me that if we could test everyone in Canada we could end this thing in a few weeks, instead of months. If we can put hundreds of billions into lockdowns how many billions would it take to test everyone?

All true. The WHO now recommends isolating those with the virus, contact tracing, and isolating those people who might have contacted the virus, and avoiding general lock downs if at all possible. There are 77, 361 active cases currently in Canada. That represents one in every 145 people. $5 to $10 billion invested in improving long term care homes would have been more beneficial than the hundreds of billions spent producing nothing. Lock downs are hurting everyone everywhere in the world.

There are currently 77,859 active covid19 cases in Canada. The WHO advice is to isolate the 0ne in 485 people in Canada that have the virus, do the contact tracing, isolate their contacts, and set the rest of the people free.

http://www.learningtoendabuse.ca/our-work/covid19_and_violence_against_women__children.html COVID-19 and Violence Against Women & Children Violence against women and children represents one of the most significant societal issues that endangers Canadians' health and well-being. COVID-19 has made these problems more severe. The increased risks of harm and vulnerability of abused women and children is obvious. International research has documented the increase in domestic violence and child abuse during crises such as the current pandemic. Social distancing and isolation means that victims have less access to the support of friends and family and reduced availability of police and health care. Many victims and children are now isolated with the very individuals who abuse them. That increases their daily exposure to potential abuse and produces new means of control for abusive partners and parents.

https://www.cp24.com/news/fatal-opioid-overdoses-have-nearly-doubled-since-april-and-covid-19-may-be-to-blame-1.5178156?cache=%3FclipId%3D89926%2F5-things-to-know-for-tuesday-september-3-2019-1.4575192 Paramedics responded to nearly double the number of fatal opioid overdose calls between April and September than they did during the same time period in 2018 and 2019 and a new report from the city’s medical officer of health suggests that the COVID-19 pandemic may be a factor in the alarming increase. In the report, which will go before the city’s Board of Health on Nov. 16, Dr. Eileen de Villa says that paramedics actually responded to fewer non-fatal overdose calls between April 1 and Sept. 30 than they did in previous years. But she said that at the same time there was a significant increase in fatal opioid overdose calls, with an estimated 132 people dead as a result. That, she said, is nearly double the average of 67 fatal overdose calls during the same time period in 2018 and 2019. While de Villa said that the impact of pandemic-related travel restrictions and border closures on the unregulated drug supply is not entirely clear, she said that it is likely that the “drug supply has been disrupted” and that could result in “changes in the potency of drugs.” She said that there have also been anecdotal reports from drug users that COVID-19 related changes “have resulted in a decrease in the availability of harm reduction treatment services, shelters and outreach service.” Put simply, de Villa said that “COVID-19 is worsening the opioid poisoning crisis in Toronto and across Canada.”

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/up-to-225-000-canadian-firms-could-close-because-of-covid-cfib-ceo-1.1520974 Up to 225,000 Canadian firms could close because of COVID: CFIB CEO Volume 0% Businesses are just not prepared for a second wave lockdown: Dan Kelly More businesses are at risk of permanently closing their doors as some parts of the country mandate stricter COVID-19-related shutdowns, the head of the Canadian Federation of Independent Business (CFIB) warns. “We are already seeing half of businesses in Canada – even those who are not affected by further rounds of shutdowns – saying that their sales dropped as a result of the second wave,” CFIB president and chief executive officer Dan Kelly said in a television interview with BNN Bloomberg Wednesday. “These businesses are already weakened.” Prior to the second wave of infections, the CFIB estimated 160,000 businesses in Canada would fail before the pandemic ends. Kelly raised that number to 225,000, or more than one-in-seven. “Governments are still fumbling around to put these programs in place – eight months in, ” Kelly said, referencing federal supports such as the promised Canada Emergency Business Account (CEBA) expansion and additional funding through a wage subsidy. Kelly is urging governments to make shutdowns short and targeted to minimize the impact of a second round of business closures. “Our advice to provincial governments is: ‘Please don’t put in place blanket shutdowns of the entire economy. If there are cases where you need to do that, make it surgical for those sectors or business activities where the problems are coming from – and lift them soon as is possible,’” he said.

https://theconversation.com/huge-government-debts-mean-canada-is-robbing-its-kids-147977#:~:text=Before the pandemic%2C the combined,children and their children's children. Before the pandemic, the combined federal and provincial Canadian debt totaled $1.4 trillion. And since then, this debt has rapidly grown, with governments borrowing another $300 billion in the current year alone. This debt will be mostly repaid by our children, their children and their children’s children. This raises a moral matter of how we are treating our young and future Canadians. Is it ethical for governments to increase spending by placing greater debts on future generations? Isn’t contractually placing our children into a monetary form of debt bondage morally indefensible? And how might we objectively judge government borrowing policies to ensure justice for future generations?

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/Public_health_COVID-19_reports/Impact_School_Closures_COVID-19.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3NCv0msfjaeKkJ-zvBlARBby_IxWd_XquE5b2M_4LVoxWHYqwo0flybag As the pandemic surged globally, schools were closed in most countries based on evidence from influenza outbreaks and the assumption that limiting student contact helps flatten the outbreak curve, reduce the burden on the health care system and protect vulnerable populations. However, accumulating evidence, including local epidemiology and international data, suggests that younger children are at lower risk of infection and serious disease compared with adults, and do not tend to spread the infection widely, reducing the effect of school closures. Schools support the learning, health, and development of children and youth and are key to reducing societal inequities. Prolonged school absences have detrimental effects on both children and families. Access to school resources for nutrition, health, and social supports are critical for many families. BC families reported impaired learning, increased child stress, and decreased connection during COVID-19 school closures, while global data show increased loneliness and declining mental health, including anxiety and depression. With the loss of supportive routines and structures, healthy behaviours have declined dramatically. Provincial child protection reports have also declined significantly despite reported increased domestic violence globally. This suggests decreased detection of child neglect and abuse without reporting from schools.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-surgery-delay-unintended-consequences-1.5629360 The sacrifice Canadians have collectively made to flatten the coronavirus curve also includes immeasurable suffering from postponed surgeries, says a B.C. man who lost his mother not to the virus but to cancer. Jasmine Yang, 60, started having abdominal pain, fever and then breathing difficulties in January. She went to an emergency department in Surrey, B.C., and was diagnosed with a rare form of ovarian cancer in March. Her son, Jonathan Hu, 31, said oncologists recommended surgery in early April as the best treatment for Yang's three, late-stage tumours. But the COVID-19 pandemic lockdown included postponing or cancelling non-emergency surgeries like Yang's — and an estimated 394,575 others across Canada.

The WHO recommends a targeted response for covid19 control. The population of Canada, is 37,590,000 , there are 76,859 active covid19 cases. A targeted response to covid19, would mean isolating the one in 489 people in Canada with active covid19 infections, contact tracing and isolating their contacts, instead of locking down everyone. Also spending $5 to $10 billion bringing long term care homes, where 75% of the deaths have occurred up to the best possible standards would be wiser than spending $300 billion paying people to be idle.

Covid enforced isolation is killing our seniors. https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/mental-mishaps/202009/death-covid-isolation (Quoted from article.) My mom died this month. Alone. She died alone. Like thousands of other seniors, Covid isolation contributed to my mom's decline and death. It was a personal tragedy for my family, reflecting our national catastrophe. My mom was a victim of both Alzheimer’s disease and the Covid pandemic. Alzheimer’s was the direct cause of her death. But the months of isolation led to her rapid decline. She didn’t have to die so soon. She should not have died alone. And I will forever regret her loneliness in her final months. I’ll always be angry that I couldn’t be with her as she was dying. Isolation and loneliness are seriously damaging for older people, particularly those with Alzheimer’s disease. First, people who are less socially engaged and more lonely are likely to develop Alzheimer’s disease and other forms of dementia (Lara et al., 2019). Second, for older people, loneliness increases the likelihood of death (Perissinotto, et al., 2012). Loneliness is particularly likely to contribute to early death in people with Alzheimer’s disease or other forms of dementia (Olaya et al., 2017). The combination of loneliness and dementia is particularly deadly.

Who advises against using lock downs as a primary means of response to covid19.

Truly a Humanitarian crisis.

Sounds too simple. How is an engineer going to work with that?

I think that I am just about done with this road trip. It seems you were right all along. Happy trails.

This may be a dumb question, I know almost nothing about medicine, but I keep wondering why doctors couldn't inject scalding hot water into a cancerous tumor and burn the bad cells?

For the world economy, especially poorer nations, we are the virus

Speaking to The Spectator, the British doctor stated: ‘We in the World Health Organisation do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus. ‘The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.’ Dr Nabarro went on to say that developing economies had been indirectly affected by lockdown measures, adding: ‘Just look at what’s happened to the tourism industry in the Caribbean, for example, or in the Pacific because people aren’t taking their holidays. ‘Look what’s happened to smallholder farmers all over the world — look what’s happening to poverty levels. ‘It seems that we may well have a doubling of world poverty by next year. We may well have at least a doubling of child malnutrition.’ Dr Nabarro continued: ‘Lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer.’ He concluded: ‘And so, we really do appeal to all world leaders: stop using lockdown as your primary control method. ‘Develop better systems for doing it. Work together and learn from each other.’

You are totally correct in saying that I am not a virus expert. If I ever stated otherwise, please point it out to me. I just heard a story that I believed to be a partial truth which no one was questioning and was doing a lot of damage to our nation and it's people. I presented what I thought was worthy of consideration. The name of a real expert was brought to my attention however. Dr. David Nabarro one of six Special Envoys from the WHO who were tasked to respond to thecovid19 pandemic. He recommended against system wide lock downs, recommending instead a targeted approach of isolating people infected with the virus, and contact tracing so those who might have been infected might be isolated as well, and the general public left to go about their business. Some Quotes https://www.travelpulse.com/news/features/who-special-envoy-criticizes-travel-restrictions.html "Just look at what’s happened to the tourism industry in the Caribbean, for example, or in the Pacific because people aren’t taking their holidays,” Nabarro said. “Look what’s happened to smallholder farmers all over the world. ... Look what’s happening to poverty levels. It seems that we may well have a doubling of world poverty by next year. We may well have at least a doubling of child malnutrition.” "As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists, we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection,” read the petition, known as the Great Barrington Declaration. "Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health." In case any of this sounds familiar try to remember where you have heard it before. I recommend that you look at the you tube posted earlier, and hear what an accredited expert has to say. As for the Maritimes low infection rate, the number of infections usually reflects population density, and the mobility of the population. I am no expert, but if you need help verifying that information, let me know.

Flattening the curve means keeping the number of infections higher for longer. Who would want the fun to stop.

Jusrin trudeau borrowed $300 billion, and is running a $381 billion deficit, while lockdowns are driving businesses into bankrupcy, and gdp shrinking by 38%. Lets try that for a few more months, and see if it turns out well. You may find that having a joint account with Justin is not the best way to manage you money wisely, and provide for your financial freedom in our golden years. When I was young, my parents put me in hockey and soccer, so I could learn about being part of a team, and make friendships that might last a lifetime. We celebrated birthdays, weddings and holidays like Christmas and Easter together. We learned that families are people that loved and supported each other and were stronger together. Glad that we aren't making that same mistake with our children. Maskers and anti maskers confronting each other in the streets, people shunning their neighbours, and crossing the street to avoid with those viral spreading threats to their survival. Our elected officials telling us to report our family, friends and neighbours if we see them congregating together so that we can arrest those heartless criminals, and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. Give me a few more months of that.

little common sense from WHO.