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Marocc

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  1. 12 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

    What’s misleading about it?

    That it's false regarding all major religions.

    12 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

    Christianity was established by

    But Catholism was not.

    "Norbert Brox, a professor of church history, confirms that Constantine was never actually a converted Christian: “Constantine did not experience any conversion; there are no signs of a change of faith in him. He never said of himself that he had turned to another god . . . At the time when he turned to Christianity, for him this was Sol Invictus (the victorious sun god)” (A Concise History of the Early Church, 1996, p. 48)." 

    https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/is-god-a-trinity/the-surprising-origins-of-the-trinity-doctrine

    12 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

    The Church was run by people, which is what makes people worry about the notion of a religious leader as infallible.

    Has someone said that religious leaders are infallible in Christianity? Actually does happen on twelver Shia sect at least. Many of them think their 12 imams are infallible.

    12 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

    It’s fine when a religious institution has spiritual authority to set doctrine,

    To set the laws of the Bible, they needed to do more than be 'spiritual leaders' such as they are considered today.

    12 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

    but as a temporal authority

    All authority on earth is temporal.

  2. 28 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

    Religious leaders in theocracies derive their power from people’s belief that the leaders know the thoughts and will of God.

    That's a highly misleading way to describe a people of a faith.

    29 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

    It works well for manipulating and controlling people.

    It's not what works, but can one make it work. A good manipulator needs nothing. He can always manage like you wouldn't believe.

    Wasn't Catholism basically made by a disbeliever?

    But there's more than Catholism out there. This

    32 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

    Religious leaders in theocracies derive their power from people’s belief that the leaders know the thoughts and will of God

    I don't know a single one where that would be applicable. Not even Catholism, imo — nevertheless, if you're going to talk only about Catholism, you should say 'Catholism' instead of 'religion'.

  3. 16 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

    Religion used to be the science of the society.  Science is the most accurate story-telling we have.  Religion that doesn’t support facts is false religion.  Science that doesn’t support facts is pseudoscience.  Science is what we can know about the world.  Religion should be based on the wisdom gained from what we know about the world and our experience in it.  Sorry, wrong thread for such a topic.  

    Yes — you want a man made religion and an idol. Those were invented long time ago.

  4. 20 minutes ago, Argus said:

    property values would drop

    Good.

    20 minutes ago, Argus said:

    It would be irritating to hear someone calling out in a foreign language for five minutes

    Too bad.

    21 minutes ago, Argus said:

    five minutes

    I don't think it lasts that long, though I suppose it may vary. I'm guessing 2 minutes.

    22 minutes ago, Argus said:

    half a dozen

    5.

    22 minutes ago, Argus said:

    Bell chimes last seconds.

    But there are many. And - you don't need a church clock to chime the time.

    Actually, I don't even know what your trouble is. You have too much time - all of you - to talk empty talk. Do you realize that you are going to die one day?

  5. 5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

    Yes, the same as Muslims don't need the call to prayer to know what times to pray. 

    But the Adhan is only 5 times a day. Not every hour.

    6 minutes ago, Goddess said:

    And I have already outlined the reasons why the Islamic call to prayer is very different than church bells chiming the hour.

    It must've been one of those long posts of yours I skipped. I know you can't discuss it so I don't see a reason to spend time readying your lengthy copy pastes and ignorant talk.

  6. 5 hours ago, Goddess said:

    They usually ring the bells on the hour - 1 ring for 1 pm, 2 rings for 2 pm, etc.

    Bell chimes? I thought you said something about Sunday service. The clock is a whole different story. Well.. You do have a phone, don't you.

  7. On 4/30/2020 at 10:01 PM, Goddess said:

    these are usually the last words victims of Islamic terrorism hear, which is unsettling to many.

    Or "being a victim of terrorism is unsettling to many". I'd like to see some unbiased data on how many PTSD sufferers have a problem with hearing the adhan. Not all traumatic experiences are triggered by just anything somehow related to the traumatic environment.

  8. 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

    If an Indo-Canadian wears a turban it's not likely because of something to do with the CPC. More likely it's because of his religion or his parents' culture. 

    That's narrow-minded and I wonder if you believe it yourself.

    An individual is influenced on countless of ways during their life time. Yet, I think, if a particular individual under discussion was poor, had been fired multiple times, lost all his friends and family, drinks away his life and steals to survive, you would be able to make dozens excuses in his defense for just about anything he may have done. You could blame the parents, the society, the friends, the boss, excessive alcohol use in the world in general, capitalism, some other country etc., but if it's a foreigner and not Caucasian — you'll make no excuses but instead you look for extra faults.

  9. 8 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

    require all forms of restrictions on visitors

    What kind of restrictions?

    8 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

    That kind of setup isn’t fair or sustainable.

    How is it not sustainable? I get the fair part, but does everything have to be fair to be "sustainable"? Isn't capitalism an example that shows that in short periods of time, e.g. 200 years, unfairness is, technically speaking, sustainable from the point of view of the one who is in a better position?

    8 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

    to take stock of what’s been going on.

    What's been going on?

    8 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

    I find it funny that you place so much emphasis on nudity.

    I don't know that I place more emphasis on it than other things.

    8 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

    make them stand behind men at mosque

    As far as I know, most mosques have separate prayer "rooms" for men and women. It's a strange example you picked. I'm sure you can understand, if you think about it, that it is not good for men or women to be distracted by the opposite sex while praying.

  10. 4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

    have always respected their culture even when I did not agree or understand it...

    Nudity in Islam is not a cultural matter. It is a legal matter.

    4 hours ago, Argus said:

    But he's made it clear that if there were enough Muslims they would demand laws be changed to suit their Muslim values.

    I'm guessing by "he's made it clear" you mean he's never said it, but I could be wrong. You shouldn't gossip about your neighbours.

    4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

    forget they are not in their countrie

    Maybe they didn't know they were approaching a disturbingly immoral zone.

    6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

    our citizens shouldn’t share their wealth and safety net, paid for by their work, with people who disdain the culture, obviously.

    Is that on some public statement somewhere or did you just make it up? Can you explain why they should not?

    5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

    but what about equality

    Between whom?

    5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

    So there’s no question of getting to know a potential spouse before a woman is essentially locked into a marriage?

    They can become aquinted.

    4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

    Your not going to totally stop sexual assault in any country

    Not a valid excuse to support the right for "civilized" people to be nude in public.

    5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

    if you don't like it leave it really is that simple,

    Maybe it is that simple for wealthy people, but it isn't for refugees.

    5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

    part of immigrating to another country or visiting another country is you have to adapt to their customs and culture

    You don't have to.

  11. 2 hours ago, Tdot said:

    This is not true, at all, here in the USA when it concerns negros (for example) in the Nation Of Islam.

    In places like Harlem NYC or Chicago or Detroit or Houston or Compton CA you can always see groups of young people socializing during events, mixed gender, and that's likely because getting acquainted with a potential mate has to start somewhere long before marriage.

    Really - they wear tags?

    I never said anything about socialising during events, mixed gender.

    And no, it doesn't have to start long before marriage. If you look around the world, you'll see it's true.

    2 hours ago, Argus said:

    there was no tradition of democracy or compromise in those lands

    Islam established a democracy around 700 ad.

  12. 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

    If you’re married or in a relationship with a man, I hope he isn’t secretly or openly taking liberties that he wouldn’t accept you taking.  Such double standards treat women like second class citizens.  I wonder if you’ve seen such double standards afoot.  

    Muslims don't have 'relationships' outside marriage.

    I have been around for a while and know the definition of domestic abuse.

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