Marocc
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15 hours ago, bcsapper said:
Churches are as essential as beaches. People really like to congregate at them, but they don't need to.
I would not compare those two. They serve two different purposes.
That kind of logic might not be smart here. You never know when that one thing you like to do ends up on the list of not essential. Going to the grocery store 4 times a week is not essential, but some want to go. Going to get your teeth cleaned is not essential, but some want to go. Skate boarding in a group of four is not essential, but some want to go.
There is a long list of things that can yet be deemed not essential. If one isn't going to deem all that is not essential as not essential, it isn't irrelevant which kind of things one chooses to deem not essential.
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One thousand and two hundred pastors have signed a 'Declaration of Essentiality' postulating that churches are 'as essential as any grocery or hardware store' which are allowed to remain active.
"By Wednesday, many counties in California had received approval to reopen establishments — retail business, office buildings, restaurants, shopping centers — as permitted in the second phase of Newsom’s plan to restart the state economy. Churches are not allowed to reopen until the plan’s third phase."
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7 hours ago, bcsapper said:
Art portraying controversial imagery?
If it claims to portray a particular living individual, it is a definite violation of that individual's rights.
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1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:
He's saying allowing the call to prayer is Politicians favoring one group of people over "the rest."
I believe they have in mind something more specific. In fact, I find it amazing some people have difficulty in pronouncing their ideas clearly, while they have no problem supporting gross, clearly expressed ideas. Can the difficulty be caused by shame or the fear of being exposed somehow?
You didn't address my question about how 'the rest' were neglected.
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25 minutes ago, scribblet said:
I'm sure you can figure it out for yourself
I really do not know.
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On 5/18/2020 at 8:57 PM, scribblet said:
The raging controversy surrounding the public Call to Prayer during Ramadan is an example of local politicians privileging one group of people, in this instance, based on their religion, over the rest.
Who's 'the rest' here and how were they neglected?
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7 hours ago, French Patriot said:
Strange then that you speak of god and his desires when you have no way of knowing either.
I know. I have read it from the Quran and if you want to know more, you can read it too.
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7 hours ago, taxme said:
What those people need to do in those third world poor countries is to first stop having big families.
The western nations are not more developed because the people are having less children, but they are having less children because the nations are more developed. 1 baby born in the US spends 100 times more of the earth's resources than 1 baby born in Bangladesh.
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1 hour ago, Tdot said:
...Our research has uncovered that in the developing world, there are enormous differences in productivity within countries, across their different regions.
That's still partly the fault of capitalism.
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1 hour ago, Independent1986 said:
It requires to be open minded to understand sarcasm. That's why I placed "sociopaths" with quotes, I was referring to his generalization about capitalism.
It might require understanding of the damage sociopaths can do, to not use sarcasm when referring to it. Anyway, sarcasm in writing is lazy.
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7 minutes ago, Independent1986 said:
Sounds to me like an union talking point. If it wasn't for those "sociopaths" to invest and come up with original ideas right now you would still be living in the forest with a toilet outside.
Do sociopaths come up with original ideas? Isn't it more likely they simply do what other people can't due to embarrassment and shame? Is their money honest? I would rather live in the forest with a toilet outside than steal money and potentially ruin countless of lives.
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On 5/9/2020 at 5:42 AM, OftenWrong said:
You're both going to hell anyway because you are so very boring, and to God there is no graver sin.
The greatest sin is Shirk; associating partners to God. If you say of people that they are going to hell, though God has not said so, you are saying what you don't know.
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53 minutes ago, makepeacenothate said:
But what about to the ones they have invaded and killed?
Still more subtle to the general population, isn't it?
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18 minutes ago, Argus said:
and this inevitably leads to a shithole of poverty and brutality.
And where does Capitalism lead to?
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6 minutes ago, Argus said:
Everyone sees the flaws of capitalism and free-enterprise, which is why almost everyone has agreed to temper it with a degree of public assistance and income redistribution for the poor.
That's a pathetic excuse.
7 hours ago, Right To Left said:Out of curiosity, do you live in Canada, or some other western- non-Muslim majority nation?
No to the former, yes to the latter. I do not cover my face. The command is from God. Clothes don't prevent a woman from going outside nor from going to work.
7 hours ago, Right To Left said:especially younger women are trying to find a compromise to honor their heritage while being able to function in a non-Muslim society.
Succumbing to the glitter of the material world, that is. What would prevent her from "functioning" properly while behaving like a Muslim?
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36 minutes ago, cougar said:
You hide your face, act in a certain way and this makes you less trustworthy to other groups.
Like the mask wearers?
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On 5/2/2020 at 11:48 AM, Right To Left said:
From what little I know of how Muslim women are expected to dress in public, it is mostly taken from cultural context/not verses in the Quran or Hadiths etc.
It is explicitly mentioned in the hadiths for one. I can't say anything about the Quran.
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"Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
Asma, daughter of AbuBakr, entered upon the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) wearing thin clothes. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) turned his attention from her. He said: O Asma', when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it does not suit her that she displays her parts of body except this and this, and he pointed to his face and hands.
Abu Dawud said: This is a mursal tradition (i.e. the narrator who transmitted it from 'Aishah is missing) Khalid b. Duraik did not see 'Aishah."
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If you, when discussing racism in Canada, put less focus on the targets of the racism, the discussion could have little focus on Islam or on any particular nationality.
"The poll was conducted just days after Vancouver police reported what it described as a “racially motivated and despicable” attack on a 92-year old man who was assaulted and shoved to the ground outside a convenience store.
That incident is only one in a long list of examples of coronavirus-related racism in Canada, said Go."
"And in a poll conducted in mid-March, Research Co. found three in five Canadians believe it is unacceptable to refer to COVID-19 as the “Chinese virus.”"
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2 hours ago, Rue said:
You use it to engage in proseltyzation
If I did, what would be the difference between me proselytising Islam and you proselytising Atheism?
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13 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:
Okay I don’t know why you’re bringing Constantine into this, as the Church predates him.
Because you were talking about Catholism. You made a comparison between religious leadership and an atheist leadership. I pointed out the leader at the time of establishing the roots of Catholism, the leader was a disbeliever. You went on to say how Christianity began. You don't want to talk about Catholism, do you?
13 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:Catholic just means universal
Catholism is a name of a Christian denomination.
13 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:Schisms or sects broke away from it.
If you use the term the way it was used when the New Testament was written, may be, but in today's world and today's language, as you should know, it isn't so.
13 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:Yes there is Papal infallibility for believers, as there is belief in such infallibility for Shia Imams.
Not the same at all, imo. Papal infallibility is not even close to meaning infallibility in general.
13 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:I’m not sure what your point is
Mostly to point out the errors in your logic.
13 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:people in these positions that have not consistently acted in ways that could sensibly be called infallible,
No person can be consider infallible. It comes with the very definition of being human, that one is fallible.
On 5/6/2020 at 12:48 AM, Zeitgeist said:Religious leaders in theocracies derive their power from people’s belief that the leaders know the thoughts and will of God.
1) Not 'religious leaders' in general have anything to do with this infallibility idea. 2) They don't derive their power from it if they did support themselves it. 3) This doesn't fit to Iran since no such Imam is alive now who could possibly be considered infallible. It is it the leaders of that country who claim to be infallible. (If any of the imams actually claimed to be so themselves.)
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39 minutes ago, Goddess said:
No one denied there was racism in Canada. No one.
Nor did I ever say they did. Your reading comprehension isn't much better from what it was last year.
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4 minutes ago, Rue said:
This thread
This was never a debate to begin with. I asked a simple question about racism I Canada. Majority of you rushed first to deny there is a problem and then you began competing, apparently, on who can express the most racistic sentiments.
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4 hours ago, OftenWrong said:
Just wondering, what are some examples of an "un-islamic act"?
I believe munkar means something evil or detestable.
Some examples of Un-Islamic acts are stealing, fornicating, killing unjustly and usury.
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47 minutes ago, Independent1986 said:
Be humble my friend and focus on bettering yourself, God does not have time for arrogance.
"Let there arise out of you a group of people inviting to all that is good (Islam), enjoining Al-Ma‘roof (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam orders one to do) and forbidding Al-Munkar (polytheism and disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden). And it is they who are the successful. [Surah Âl ‘Imrân, 3:104]"
https://aljumuah.com/only-allah-can-judge-me/
"Those among the Children of Israel who disbelieved were cursed by the tongue of Dawood (David) and Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary). That was because they disobeyed (Allah and the Messengers) and were ever transgressing beyond bounds. They used not to forbid one another from Al–Munkar (wrong, evildoing, sins, polytheism, disbelief) which they committed. Vile indeed was what they used to do. [Surah Al-Ma’idah, 5:78]"
"Abu Bakr Al-Siddiq narrates, I heard Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) say, “When people see something objectionable and do not change it, Allah will soon include them all in His punishment. (Al-Tirmidhi)"
"Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) said If you see a munkar (un-islamic act), you change it with your hand; and if you cannot do that, then change it with your mouth (speak out against it); and if you cannot do [even] that, then forbid it in your heart — and that is the least of belief. (Muslim)"
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