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There could have been a lot of deaths during the colonial period as there were wars fought. Then the Boer War around 1900. But there was no genocide against black people in the 20th century to the best of my knowledge. I just read the article. The transition from the apartheid government to the ANC government was relatively peaceful.

I guess you would fit in with the NDP or liberal crowd who support it and are imposing it on society, as Trudeau is doing. No counter arguments or opinions considered or accepted.

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Here is a detailed article on the subject and why it is a threat to society. " What does the Bible say about homosexuality? by Matt Slick The Bible doesn't speak of homosexuality very often; but when it does, it condemns it as sin. Let's take a look. Homosexuality is clearly condemned in the Bible. It undermines God's created order where He made Adam and Eve, a man and a woman, to carry out his command to fill and subdue the earth (Genesis 1:28). Homosexuality cannot fulfill that mandate. Also, homosexuality undermines the basic family unit of husband and wife which is the God-ordained means of procreation. Again, homosexuality cannot do that. And, believe it or not, homosexuality is also dangerous to society. (See Is homosexuality dangerous? for the statistics) Homosexuality has a heavy judgment administered by God Himself upon those who commit it and support it. Romans 1:26-27, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error." As a result of being "given over," they can no longer see the error of what they are doing. They will not seek forgiveness, and they will not repent. They will then die in their sins and face God's righteous condemnation. But, their rebellion against God does not stop there. Those who are judged by God this way, also promote their sin and condemn others who don't approve of their behavior. Romans 1:32, "...and, although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them." So, in their "hearty approval" of homosexuality, they encourage others to accept their practice, and so their sin and rebellion against God spread. This means they will reject Christ's redemptive work on the cross. Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, they will have no salvation. Without salvation, there is only damnation in eternal hell. We Christians don't want this for anyone. We want them to experience the great love of God through the person and work of Christ who died for our sins (1 Peter 2:24). Persecution of the non-politically correct? The Bible's view of homosexuality is not politically correct - and this is a concern. Will the Bible soon be considered hate speech by the moral-less majority? There is already significant social pressure being put on the American populace to accept homosexuality as normal and healthy. Homosexuality is promoted in movies, television, magazines, schools, etc. Social re-engineering is well underway. Yet statistically, only 3% of the population are homosexuals.2 Christians, on the other hand, occupy a far higher percentage, 70%3 yet they are not fairly represented in the media. Instead, Christians are routinely portrayed as bigots, narrow-minded idiots, hypocrites, and worse. Why? Because there are little tolerance and equality from the left for those who disagree with them. The social attitude of America is slowly being engineered to accept liberal sexual behavior while condemning and silencing those who disagree. Since behavior follows belief, what is to stop our increasingly liberal society from acting on its silence-the-opposition attitude and become more and more harsh in its dealings with Christians? Nothing. In fact, there are increasing calls to get Christians kicked off of social networks for speaking out against homosexual marriage. Silence the Christians! At work, many Bible believers are told to go through sensitivity training in favor of the LGBT community, even though such "sensitivity training" is highly offensive to them. If they don't go, they can be fired. It seems that sensitivity must be shown towards the homosexuals, but never towards the Christians. This hypocrisy is blatant and dangerous. And then there is the increase in lawsuits. Will homosexuals attend churches for the purpose of asking pastors to perform a wedding and then when they are refused, they sue? Will they seek out Christian owned businesses and ask to have a cake baked, a wedding photographed, or music played at their homosexual wedding and then file a lawsuit when Christians who are holding to their religious convictions refuse to comply? It is already happening, and such legal attacks are on the increase. In light of this, I suggest that you look at history to see what politically correct momentum can do in and to a society. Think of Nazi Germany and the Jews. Do some research on communist Russia and its persecution of dissenters in the 1900s. History is full of examples of how those in politically correct power oppress those who don't agree with them. If you think the comparison is too extreme, then you join with many throughout history who said "It will never happen," and then sat by and watched it manifest. Unquote https://carm.org/bible-homosexuality There is much more in this article about it.

Yes, it all sounds very logical from your perspective, to just accept it as normal. But it is more complex and difficult than your article suggests.. You have offered no solution. What would you say about someone who has become a drug addict? Would you try to get him to seek counseling to get him off drugs or would you say he should be given drugs to feed his habit? A drug addict cannot quit unless he is determined to quit and treatment won't work unless he makes a decision to quit.

No, I'm not a "good Christian", far from it. No I never promoted non-acceptance of LGBT people; but can't agree with the practice. So they probably would not want anything to do with me or bible believers. They would probably be the ones that would not accept bible believers, not the other way around. All I can tell you is the Bible makes it clear. You seem to be saying I should obey men rather than God. I would say counseling is the best solution for people caught up in that. The problem is finding the right counselor. The answer is Christian counseling and the King James Bible but probably not many willing to listen to that nowadays.

What do you expect when you have people on the one hand saying that LGBT is normal and on the other hand those who oppose it. There is going to be a conflict. Of course you think those who oppose it should cave in to LGBT and agree with it. Since it is abnormal, it's the pro LGBT crowd who are causing the problem and contributing to the anxiety. Nothing will make it "normal". You want Christians to support something abnormal.

I don't think parents ostrasize their own children. Sounds like a fake claim. Christians should not promote LGBT; LGBT is not family values. It is opposed to normal families. You claim LGBT programs prevent suicides but I can't comment on that claim because I know nothing about it. But LGBT programs would be teaching children that LGBT is normal and therefore be promoting it. All I can is what I said, that the Bible opposes LGBT and Christians should follow the Bible. If you're not a Bible believer, you won't understand or agree. So we will have to leave it there.

You are somewhat correct. Part of the O.T. were instructions to the nation of Israel at that time and do not apply to Christians today. There are lessons that are applicable from parts of the O.T. and a much other teaching that would be useful. We don't apply the laws and ordinances in the O.T. that were only meant for Israel 3000 years ago. They had a special covenant with God and received special instructions from God which only applied to them.

Of course the Bible probably doesn't mention the actual words "due process". The principle of fairness is taught in the Bible. The justice system must be fair. Again you are mixing the people with the sin. The people should be respected but Christians cannot condone the sin. The Bible says God is love. He loves the people but not the sins we commit. You have to distinguish between people and what they do. I don't agree with schools teaching on LGBTQ because they are basically teaching it is normal. So-called gay-straight alliances are another thing that projects it as normal and acceptable and so I could not support it. .

Capital punishment is taught in the Bible: "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man." Genesis 9:6 " 1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil." Romans ch13:1-4 These verses show the government has the authority to deal with law breakers. The matter of killing people outside of lawful authority which is in accordance with the Bible is stated in Exodus "thou shalt not kill" Exodus 20:13

I don't condemn anyone to anything. Already said the medical system has pain killers for patients. The solution is not to make people think they have no choice and must choose doctor-assisted suicide or suffer pain. That's a lie. We have palliative care which has been looking after people for years with various illnesses and diseases. Will see what the Bible says about your other question.

I didn't know they had genocide or mass murders in South Africa.

Considering the Nazis murdered six million Jews in the gas chambers, I think it is reasonable to try to catch those that had a significant hand in the genocide and bring them to justice. Age has nothing to do with it. If they are old and very ill, sometimes the judges will perhaps not send them to prison but perhaps some other punishment such as house arrest or hospital arrest. The idea may be to send the message to the world that such a horrific crime as genocide cannot go unpunished. The Jews endured almost 2000 years of persecution in Europe.

No. I don't "manipulate" people to think my way. The word "manipulate" implies one is trying to do something evil or sinister, which I am not. So it is not manipulation. I try to convince them with reason and the Holy Bible which is God's inspired word and guide for life. I only accept the King James Bible as my final authority, realizing I am a sinful person myself and depending on the mercy and grace of God to live and die.

God has made it clear in the King James Bible that life is sacred and belong to him. Nobody has the right to kill other people, with the exception of self defence as in the military, police or legal capital punishment for murder after due process. I never said an LGBTQ child should re "rejected" by parents. You should understand there are many people who are not Christians who do things after the ways of society and the world and not along Christian principles. There is much domestic abuse in homes and mis-treatment of children. That is why many children are apprehended by social workers. Children caught up in the LGBT thing should be treated with understanding, compassion, and love by their parents. But we live in a corrupt world where people are often treated badly for all kinds of reasons. That's one reason we have so many youth who run away from home or are placed in foster homes. But there are also influences on youth and some rebel against parents and end up on their own because of a breakdown in the family structure. You should understand that people should and can be treated with respect without condoning or agreeing with the sin. So youth in school and children should be treated with respect. Christians cannot control what criminals who attack LGBTQ people do. That's why we have laws and police to maintain order. What you are talking about is a lawless society of thugs and criminals, which exist everywhere. Some places more than others. You can't blame Christians who do not agree with homosexuality for the evil things happening in the world. Obviously the world is an evil place and many bad characters surround us. It has been reported there are a far higher incidence of suicide among transgender people than normal people and likely a higher percentage of suicide among all LGBTQ people than among heterosexual people. That does not mean the solution is to approve of LGBTQ lifestyles or practices. But again people should be treated with respect whoever they are. It all comes down to accepting the King James Bible as the inspired word of God, which it is or rejecting it in favour of humanism or the ways of the world. A Christian by definition accepts the teachings of the Bible. There are teachings in the Bible which were directed only to Israel which lived at that time several thousand years ago and do not apply to Christians today. One has to have rudimentary knowledge of the Bible to understand the Old Testament for example.

So you in fact would support anybody who wishes to end their life, even if it someone who wants to do it by jumping off a bridge? I thought we discussed this and you denied it. Now you're saying again that you support anyone having the choice to end their life. The reason the large American disabled rights advocacy association opposes doctor-assisted suicide is very simple. They believe it would put disabled people at risk. What you don't understand is there are many people who do not think clearly at certain times in their life and may be persuaded to end their life in a weaker moment. Many young people would fall into this category. People go through distressing times in their life, for a number of reasons. Could be their girlfriend or boyfriend broke up with them. Then they feel there is no point in living. You would give these people the so-called freedom of choice to end their life. Same with old people who have illness or dementia. They may not be thinking straight. Then there might be old people who feel they are a burden on their family. Or disable people who feel they are a burden to society and want to not be a burden (as they see it). This is one reason the disabled association in the U.S. opposes it. Lots of reasons why someone might be persuaded at certain times to choose to end their life if given the opportunity, but at other times or in different or happier circumstances, may abhor the idea.in

It doesn't sound like the ANC government is much improvement for human rights in South Africa. It was good to get rid of apartheid but what did they replace the government with? Still no human rights, law and order, and respect for minorities, or property rights. It's the law of the jungle with widespread crime and unemployment.

No. I was just mentioning Sodom and Gomorrah as an example where the corruption of society in those places led to their destruction. But the world today is in a general state of corruption and rebellion against God. No one group owns that. Most of the world is opposed to God and the Bible. I was referring to the general corruption and evil in the world. According to the Bible, man has an evil heart. So, you can draw your own conclusions as to what all the nuclear weapons means or where it could lead with evil men in control. The world could self destruct much of itself before the Lord returns. But actually the book of Revelation does give some information that things will be bad during the Tribulation.

Just remember God became angry with Sodom and Gomorrah and destroyed them. Today society is becoming more corrupt and the U.S. has something like 6,000 nuclear weapons ready to go; presumably Russia has a similar amount. It wouldn't take much to trigger WW3 and destroy most of life on the planet and those remaining in great distress as they die off slowly. But this is not what the Bible prophecies so I guess it's not going to happen that way. But there could still be a nuclear war with 100s of millions killed and 100s of millions suffering and dying. I think all the corruption of society is just another sign we are in the last days before the Lord returns.

I thought I read a news report recently that said the South African government recently passed a law to confiscate the farms from the white farmers with no compensation, but I could be wrong. Can't remember where I saw it.

I hate to disappoint you but your life is not your own. It belong to God and he will decide when it ends, whether you believe it or not. You are also not your own authority in many ways and never have been. When you grew up your mother or parents, whatever the case, decided many things for you and had some authority over you. You are required to obey the laws of the land and cannot do whatever you please. So no you are not your own boss in many ways. You are under authorities.

I would also add that doctor assisted suicide is a slippery slope because once the sanctity of life is abandoned, there is no limit to how far society can go and when it should be applied.

When you use the term "right" (to take one's own life, you are reciting a man-made dogma repeated by people who do not know God or the Bible. Human life belongs to God and he is the only one to decide when it ends. It is folly to put one's self in the place of God and attempt to make those kind of decisions or applaud them.

Actually yes, he is mentioned in the Bible. I think Satan is the prince of devils. You can read about Lucifer's fall from heaven in Isaiah. He was once a beautiful angel but rebelled against God and drew a third of the angels with him. Jesus healed a devil-possessed boy. "And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour." Matthew 17:18 "And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. And when the devil had thrown him in the midst, he came out of him, and hurt him not." Luke 4:35