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19 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:
nope
many US states were just as restrictive as Canada and didn't have Canada's death rates
they had higher death rates than many right wing American states you are shitting on, in fact
your hypothesis is not supported by the data
The U.S. death rate from Covid was 280 per 100,000 population.
The Canada death rate from Covid was 94 per 100,000 population.
Canada took far stronger measures and the vaccination rates were higher in Canada. That is why the U.S. had about three times as many deaths per 100,000 population.
Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center (jhu.edu)
We saw quite often on the news what a mess the U.S. was with some state fighting and opposing mandates and restrictions.
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12 minutes ago, myata said:
Why wouldn't you mention Finland, Norway, and even Sweden that never had draconian restrictions, lockdowns and mandates? Because these are the facts and they directly contradict the story that restrictions are necessary. No. They aren't necessary and not justified by the evidence. They are arbitrary and unreasonable. Honest, open and voluntary approach with high quality, effective, efficient and agile healthcare system would and have achieved better results.
The restrictions aren't saving anybody; only covering bureaucratic ar..es incapable of competent and effective management. Yes facts show that. And the facts are sufficient for this conclusion.
I don't look up every country in the world before I make a comment. But I'm sure you do..haha.
The population of Sweden is about 10,500,000 in 2021. The number of Covid deaths is 16,465 as of Feb. 15, 2022.
The population of Canada is about 38 million. The death rate is Canada is about 35,000 from Covid.
It is obvious the death rate in Sweden was higher than in Canada which mean Canada's restrictions saved thousands more lives than Sweden which had few restrictions.
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3 minutes ago, myata said:
Why wouldn't you mention Finland, Norway, and even Sweden that never had draconian restrictions, lockdowns and mandates? Because these are the facts and they directly contradict the story that restrictions are necessary. No. They aren't necessary and not justified by the evidence. They are arbitrary and unreasonable. Honest, open and voluntary approach with high quality, effective, efficient and agile healthcare system would and have achieved better results.
The restrictions aren't saving anybody; only covering bureaucratic ar..es incapable of competent and effective management. Yes facts show that. And the facts are sufficient for this conclusion.
Nonsense. The virus is airborne and spreads by people breathing. So if you wear a mask and keep your distance or don't go where there are lot of people or where there may be people with Covid, of course you are less likely to catch it.
Vaccination makes you less likely catch it, less likely to be seriously ill, less likely to be hospitalized, and less likely to spread it to other people. So it saves thousands of lives in Canada.
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The right wing in the U.S. in many states are much more distrustful of government and many refused to get vaccinated. They also oppose health measures much more than people in Canada. Their vaccinations rates are significantly lower than Canada for second does and booster shots. They also oppose masks and social distancing. These factors is what caused their death rates to be much higher.
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8 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:
how much of an increase?
you don't know
you just speculate
prove the mandates made enough vulnerable people who didn't get vaccinated get vaccinated
enough to save thousands of lives
8 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:which had nothing to do with mandates or restrictions
and everything to do with population density
You are being ridiculous. The mandates required people in different jobs like health care to get vaccinated and the great majority did get vaccinated. This is common knowledge. But you can do a search on these topics yourself. Don't expect me to do everything for you. You just want to argue about every little thing. Obviously just being a stubborn denier.
The simple fact is far more people per million population in the U.S. died from Covid than in Canada. Nobody disputes that. Google it.
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With the vaccine, the mandates, and health measures Canada has done a far better job than the UK and the U.S. Both of those places have had a far greater number of deaths per capita than Canada.
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Just now, Yzermandius19 said:
no it doesn't
also your claim was that the restrictions and mandates saved lives
now you claim it's the vaccines
that's moving the goalposts
Nonsense. Not moving any goalposts. The simple fact is vaccine mandates caused a large increase in the number of people getting vaccinated. Vaccination has proven to save many lives. It's simple logic. Mandates increased the number of vaccinated people and more vaccinated people means more lives are saved.
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9 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:
none of that says that government restrictions saved thousands of lives
which was your claim and has literally nothing to do with the stat you posted
It is a matter of simple logic or extrapolation. If the unvaccinated in the 80 plus age group died at 14 times the rate of vaccinated people in that age group and unvaccinated in the 70 to 79 age group died at 47 times the rate of vaccinated people in the 70 to 79 age group, I think it proves that the vaccine is saving thousands of lives.
"Without those shots and immunity gained from past infection, in fact, this current stage of the pandemic would have been far more lethal, notes one expert.
“No one wants to imagine what the scenario would have looked like if Omicron was at the beginning of the pandemic, just ripping through the population,” said Dr. Zain Chagla, an infectious-disease professor at McMaster University. “We probably would have seen mass deaths, we probably would have seen long-term care facilities get destroyed.”
I will go with what Public Health Ontario and people like Dr. Zain Chagla, an infectious disease doctor at McMaster University say.
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Just now, Yzermandius19 said:
your facts don't say what they think you say
like when you tried to pretend that higher levels of hospitalizations for the unvaccinated
was proof vaccines reduced transmission of the virus
you don't have the slightest grasp of the facts you post, and jump to ridiculous conclusions as a result
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Public Health Ontario put it in a different way in recently released data.
In the 60 days leading up to Jan. 12, including the period when Omicron took hold, the unvaccinated in the most vulnerable 80-plus group were 14 times more likely to die from COVID than their fully vaccinated counterparts, while unvaccinated 70-to-79 year olds died at 47 times the rate of vaccinated people in their 70s, the agency said. Unquote
I accept the information from the data from Public Health Ontario.
Do you accept this information from Public Health Ontario?
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5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:
that's not proof
Some of the figures in the article came from Public Health Ontario. What's wrong with that?
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2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:
that's not proof
You replied back right away without even reading the article. What kind of proof do you want? The article has facts and figures. If you can't accept facts like that, what would satisfy you?
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4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:
prove it
"In the 60 days leading up to Jan. 12, including the period when Omicron took hold, the unvaccinated in the most vulnerable 80-plus group were 14 times more likely to die from COVID than their fully vaccinated counterparts, while unvaccinated 70-to-79 year olds died at 47 times the rate of vaccinated people in their 70s, the agency said.
And those are the age groups that account for eight in 10 deaths, now and before."
Why Canada is still seeing so many people die from COVID | The Province
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This article explains a little of why vaccination has saved mass lives:
"Public Health Ontario put it in a different way in recently released data.
In the 60 days leading up to Jan. 12, including the period when Omicron took hold, the unvaccinated in the most vulnerable 80-plus group were 14 times more likely to die from COVID than their fully vaccinated counterparts, while unvaccinated 70-to-79 year olds died at 47 times the rate of vaccinated people in their 70s, the agency said."
Why Canada is still seeing so many people die from COVID | The Province
Considering this it is hard to understand why some people would be so opposed to the mandates and health restrictions in this pandemic. Surely they could not want to see thousands of more people die when it has been avoided.
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37 minutes ago, myata said:
We need to find and post publicly the voting record for the unprecedented invocation of the authoritarian rule in Canada. If only for the posterity. It will want to know every name.
You realize you and others on here have not mentioned the fact that thousands of lives have been saved by the health restrictions and vaccine mandates. If it were not for those measures, thousands or perhaps tens of thousands more Canadians would have died from Covid. Would you prefer to allow unvaccinated nurses to work with patients in hospitals or unvaccinated long term care workers to work with old people in care homes? Those people are exceptionally vulnerable to dying from Covid. It is a fact that thousands died before we had vaccine and it was largely brought into care homes by workers who had been infected by Covid.
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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:
No i 'm not but that is what has happened for years, maybe not to truck drivers but criminals etc...not just your bank accounts everything, your house , your car, everything... you or we don't have property rights here in Canada.
Anyone should lose a lot of rights when they become a law-breaking seditionist, which is what is happening today.
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14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:
Many of the people are hooligans? Really? Why isn't CTV able to find evidence of that? .
If you had been watching the news, you would have seen the frequent reports of harassment, threatened violence, intimidation of residents and anybody wearing a mask in Ottawa.
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1 hour ago, Goddess said:
Yes, like my sister, a previously healthy 45 year old who is now disabled for life and had an almost 0% chance of dying of covid.
You asked for a useful cite or reference on the benefits of Covid vaccination. This is the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:
Canadian law is illegitimate
the Canadian government is illegitimate
this is holy war now
You bring disrespect to the Canadian Forces veterans. I'm sure none of them would agree with you.
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1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:
when those laws strip people of their rights
than those laws should be broken
So you are an admitted law-breaker and an anarchist. Got it.
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The Finance Minister has issued a warning to all those truckers who are part of the occupations that they could lose their trucks because their corporate accounts could be frozen and their insurance suspended. Basically that would mean they will be out of business. But she added they should get their trucks out of there now which could mean there is still time to save their trucks and jobs. The implementation of the Emergency Act also gives the authorities the power to require tow truck operators to use their tow trucks to remove trucks or vehicles from the occupation. They will no longer have a choice to decline.
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16 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:
you want to prevent others from living their lives and making a living
so long as it's a tyrannical government doing it
so you pretending to care about people living their lives and making a living doesn't fool me
you just hate the Truckers and are willing to engage in the height of hypocrisy to attack them
The great majority of truckers (over 90%) are vaccinated and are doing their job. They are not using their trucks for illegal blockades and occupation, which is harming many other people. Many of these occupiers and blockaders are not truckers but are hooligans, thugs, and anarchists, from Canada and even from the U.S.
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The Finance Minister just announced the corporate accounts of trucks in the illegal blockades will be frozen and the insurance will be suspended. She says now is the time to get their trucks out of the blockades.
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Premier Kenney says he has the legal powers and doesn't support the Emergency Measure Act use. If he has the powers, why is the Coutts border crossing blockade still there? Why hasn't it come to an end? When will it end in Kenney's world? How long does he intend to allow the border to be shut?
The RCMP arrested eleven people and seized a pile of firearms at the Coutts blockade. These weapons could have been brought in because of the length of time this has dragged on. This is the danger of letting these occupations in Ottawa and border blockades drag on. It gives more time for extremists/terrorists to bring in weapons. That is why the sooner all this ends the better for everyone.
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4 minutes ago, West said:
Your contradicting yourself. You claim the vaccine stops transmission but then claim others fully vaccinated are at risk of covid from the unvaccinate. Please round that square for me
We've already been all through that. Being vaccinated does not prevent one from catching Covid. But it makes it a little less likely and most important helps prevent a vaccinated person from serious illness or death. How many times do we have to repeat that?
Trucker's Convoy
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I saw on the news that certain places had certain restrictions at times. But there was an ongoing battle between different state and the federal government over mask mandates and some restrictions. DeSantis, the Republican governor of Florida lifted a lot of restrictions as I recall.