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The CIA, the US, the UK all knew where OBL was all thru this period. http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&other_al-qaeda_operatives=osamaBinLaden

You do know that the US and UK governments lied lied lied and lied again about OBL being responsible for 911, right? And they never provide one shred of evidence to back their lies even after promising they would. You also know that the FBI never had 911 on OBL's Most Wanted Poster, because, they said, they had no proof of his being involved, right? He wasn't involved and neither were the 19 Arab hijackers. The number of lies the US government has told, the number of lies NIST has told, the number of lies the 911 Commission has told and they are still gullible folks who believe this utter nonsense. Here is an excellent short video that lays out perfectly just how terribly lame the US government official conspiracy theory is. People have to be awfully ignorant and willfully blind to believe the USGOCT! Jonathan Cole - 9/11 Experiments: Eliminate the Impossible Right there in the above picture, the severely eroded, molten, vaporized piece of 911 steel. The existence of said steel is in and of itself proof positive that the US government official conspiracy theory is bunko, bogus, pure bullshyte!

This is highly nostalgic for Bush_Cheney. Doesn't she count?

What a silly assumption to draw, Rue, even if one is attempting "humor". Why do you suppose that you, a lawyer [??] can't even answer seven easy Yes/No questions? Why do you think that no one can answer these seven easy Yes/No questions?

Just try one little question, Wilber, the man of science. It doesn't hurt to answer a simple Yes/No question. Even your kids could do it. 4. Do you deny the molten and vaporized steel described by FEMA, pictures of which anyone can see?

Actually, Omni, eyeball, Wilber, Dop, OftenWrong, ... belong to a group of the wackiest conspiracy theorists who have ever walked the planet, people who support the US government official conspiracy theory. They deny stark realities, ones that can be seen with their own eyes. Everything from 1 to 7 is verifiable by any person who still has the gift of sight. And yet these people refuse to even look at these simple Yes/No questions, let alone answer them. Right, Rue? 1. Do you deny that the US government developed nanothermite in the 1990s? 2. Do you deny that unreacted nanothermite particles were found in WTC dust? 3. Do you deny that the by-products of thermitic reactions were found in WTC dust, iron microspheres in volumes 1500 times greater than that of normal office dust? 4. Do you deny the molten and vaporized steel described by FEMA, pictures of which anyone can see? 5. Do you deny the molten and fused steel and concrete, one named the Meteorite and housed in a 911 museum? 6. Do you deny the molten handguns found and stored in a 911 museum? 7. Do you deny that John Gross [and others] of NIST lied about the molten/vaporized steel, the explosions, the bombs reported, WTC7 free fall, the shear studs, the composite floors, the ...?

And you are dizzy, dizzy with confusion. It must be tough to lie so wantonly, knowing that you are studiously avoiding seven easy Yes/No questions, anyone of which would free you from this incredible confusion. And here are some easy questions for you to illustrate how important science is to you. 1. Do you deny that the US government developed nanothermite in the 1990s? 2. Do you deny that unreacted nanothermite particles were found in WTC dust? 3. Do you deny that the by-products of thermitic reactions were found in WTC dust, iron microspheres in volumes 1500 times greater than that of normal office dust? 4. Do you deny the molten and vaporized steel described by FEMA, pictures of which anyone can see? 5. Do you deny the molten and fused steel and concrete, one named the Meteorite and housed in a 911 museum? 6. Do you deny the molten handguns found and stored in a 911 museum? 7. Do you deny that John Gross [and others] of NIST lied about the molten/vaporized steel, the explosions, the bombs reported, WTC7 free fall, the shear studs, the composite floors, the ...?

The blacksmith doesn't understand and as I mentioned, "someone who trots out a blacksmith talking about things he obviously does not understand is not any smarter or more knowledgeable that said blacksmith". Your rant illustrates your desperation, Omni. Who was talking about faking videos and holograms? Again, the blacksmith doesn't understand and as I mentioned, "someone who trots out a blacksmith talking about things he obviously does not understand is not any smarter or more knowledgeable that said blacksmith".

taxme, the study done and the paper written by Tony Szamboti and Graeme McQueen, "The Missing Jolt - A Simple Refutation of the NIST-Bazant Collapse Hypothesis" describes how WTC1 would have self arrested within two floors. http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/TheMissingJolt7.pdf

Science is more than basics and someone, who trots out a blacksmith talking about things he obviously does not understand, is not any smarter or more knowledgeable that said blacksmith.

It didn't in the Cardington test fires, where the secondary steel beams were totally unprotected, which means zero insulation. Let's review. Secondary steel beams were not protected.Despite the temperature of the steel beams reaching 800-900° C (1,500-1,700° F) in three of the tests (well above the traditionally assumed critical temperature of 600° C (1,100° F), no collapse was observed in any of the six experiments." WTC wasn't a blacksmiths forge. It was sooty, low temperature fires, fires that were not near as hot or widespread as ALL the other office fires that have never seen a collapse. Jonathon Cole did a review of the blacksmith video and he pointed out how the blacksmiths point had no point. Had all the steel columns on the first floor, perimeter and central, been heated in a forge to the temps and the time the blacksmith had done so and if there was a huge wind that day, the towers would have toppled over. Mr Cole heated a steel rod, the same size as the blacksmiths but at a point on the rod that was reflective of where the fire actually was, which was not at the base, it was at the 92 floor for WTC1. He heated it red hot, as per the BS, then took a heavy hammer and hammered hard on the top. The rod didn't bend, nor did it collapse to the bottom. It didn't do anything. Here, you can watch it yourself. It illustrates all the simple memes that the uninformed believe are just that, memes, that have no basis in science.

Explain what your blacksmith video shows, Omni. After all you said it was "basic". Notice how Omni avoids everything and focuses on the most inane thing to cause "distractions".

As is always the case for you, Omni, there is nothing "Below". Things roasted ["roasted" - how unscientific can you get?] are house oven temperatures. "a combination of burning jet fuel fanned by high speed winds blowing in the hole left by a 767, and streaming up the now voided elevator shaft." Where do you get this bullshit? It's hilarious, it's Omni! Everyone knows that you are lying because what you describe is not what the videos of the twin towers shows at all. NIST, nor US conspiracy theory supporting scientist has ever suggested such nonsense. Now everyone knows you are lying. You are really getting desperate. And the "oxy/acetylene welding" dog and pony show! Next you'll be trotting out the blacksmith video.

You have never shown anything. You are a one liner science denier. You know nothing, which is evident from your silly one liners. There has never ever been a collapse before or since. Explain why the Cardington unprotected steel survived temperatures higher than WTCs 1, 2 and 7 and there was no collapse. Below is what happens when steel is exposed to a thermate reaction. See how the flange is thinned, "almost to razor sharpness" the holes that are in the flange. Jonathon Cole was able to replicate this by making his own homemade thermate. He made crude steel devices to focus the thermate burn and the flanges and he got the same results as this steel that John Gross is pointing to. Jet fuel/office furnishings cannot do this to steel. Explain why the FEMA scientists were puzzled by this eutectic steel.

Another Omni lie. A baldfaced lie to boot! How does jet fuel/office furnishings melt and vaporize steel? Do you know what eutectic steel is? Perhaps OftenWrong/Wilber can help you out. ============================= It is the same eutectic steel described by the NYT, after interviewing FEMA scientists. [bolded [THICK] is mine] “A one-inch [THICK] column has been reduced to half-inch thickness. Its edges – which are curled like a paper scroll – have been thinned to almost razor sharpness. Gaping holes – some larger than a silver dollar – let light shine through a formerly solid steel flange. This Swiss cheese appearance shocked all of the fire-wise professors, who expected to see distortion and bending – but not holes.” http://www.consensus911.org/point-tt-6/

No, you didn't, OftenWrong. You dillied and dallied like Omni, Dop, Wilber, ... does. You science deniers, you anti-truthers never address anything. You're a bunch of one liners. A collection of Joey Bishops, deny deny deny, backed up by your fatuous one liners. And here are some easy questions for you to illustrate how important science is to you. 1. Do you deny that the US government developed nanothermite in the 1990s? 2. Do you deny that unreacted nanothermite particles were found in WTC dust? 3. Do you deny that the by-products of thermitic reactions were found in WTC dust, iron microspheres in volumes 1500 times greater than that of normal office dust? 4. Do you deny the molten and vaporized steel described by FEMA, pictures of which anyone can see? 5. Do you deny the molten and fused steel and concrete, one named the Meteorite and housed in a 911 museum? 6. Do you deny the molten handguns found and stored in a 911 museum? 7. Do you deny that John Gross [and others] of NIST lied about the molten/vaporized steel, the explosions, the bombs reported, WTC7 free fall, the shear studs, the composite floors, the ...?

I am really impressed by your sources and your calculations, Omni. You are one dandy scientist.

Henny Youngman you're not, Rue. As I said, "Pull 'em out of you like." What would an honest guy do?

taxme obviously understands Newton's Laws of Motion. Whether this is a deep knowledge or an intuitive knowledge is of no concern. Everyone intuitively knows that a much much smaller piece cannot destroy a much much bigger piece without destroying itself, at the same time AND at an equal rate. Nineteen floors of WTC1 could not destroy the other NINETY-ONE floors which contained much stronger, heavier steel the lower the floors went.

You know where they are. You advanced some fabrications about the events/science of 911 and I called you on them. You know where they are. Honest guy like you would have already addressed them. Pull 'em out if you like.

And I'll simply refer you back to the pictures of the molten and vaporized steel, something that you can see with your own eyes, something that you know is totally impossible following the US official conspiracy theory and yet it is something that you, an oh so obvious SCIENCE DENIER keeps on denying. SCIENCE DENIERS that never provide sources, never will discuss, never provide evidence for their US government official conspiracy theory. You all remind me of Joey Bishop in the movie, "A Guide for the Married Man" Deny Deny Deny How can such people be in positions of responsibility, actually care for children, ... ?

Lie number one in bold. It wasn't in the MIDDLE of either building. For 1 there were 91 floors below the impact. For 2 there were 77 floors below the impact. Lie number two in italics. Wilber's bogus description violates Newton's Laws. Both collapses accelerated, with not even a jolt, which is impossible. A much smaller, much much weaker section of floors cannot pulverize 91 and 77 floors below them. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. A scientific study done shows that WTC1 would have self arrested within two floors. Lie number three is underlined. What is obvious from the videos when careful measurements are done, that's what science is, Wilber, not making silly assumptions like you have, is that the towers were blown up. Gravity collapses cannot hurl mutli-ton steel sections 2 football fields away. Gravity collapses cannot pulverize 220 acres of concrete and steel forming pans into micro-sized particles. Gravity collapses cannot use the kinetic energy of free fall to destroy all this and keep accelerating. It is impossible.

Provide your source, Omni. Yeah, I know, you never provide any sources, you never discuss because you know you will catch yourself out as a guy who knows nothing. You are a one liner science denier/anti-truther.

Well then, you can't read. Because you are the one spouting the wackiest conspiracy theory ever, the one where you can't provide a lick of evidence to support it, while the 911 Truth folks, thousands of engineers, architects, physicists, scientist of all kind are doing the science which illustrates the US government conspiracy theory has hundreds of holes in it blown out with nanothermite.

Omni/Dop/Wilber's responses are highly illustrative of two things: that they know absolutely nothing about steel and heat, or, much more awful, [I'm sure they will let everyone know which was their intended pattern] they are deliberately providing lies to distract the highly gullible. What John Gross is touching in the picture below is a previously molten/vaporized steel beam/column, which is something 100%, totally, completely impossible given the US government conspiracy theory/story/fable. There was NO fuel available [only fuel that was available was jet fuel and office furnishings, capable of only 1,800F] in the US government conspiracy theory/story/fable that can cause a steel beam/column to melt [2,700F], let alone vaporize [4,900F+]. It is the same eutectic steel described by the NYT, after interviewing FEMA scientists. [bolded [THICK] is mine] “A one-inch [THICK] column has been reduced to half-inch thickness. Its edges – which are curled like a paper scroll – have been thinned to almost razor sharpness. Gaping holes – some larger than a silver dollar – let light shine through a formerly solid steel flange. This Swiss cheese appearance shocked all of the fire-wise professors, who expected to see distortion and bending – but not holes.” http://www.consensus911.org/point-tt-6/ Here is the eutectic steel described by FEMA in their report. Again, THIS IS CRUCIAL! THERE WAS NO FUEL THAT IS DESCRIBED IN AND BY THE OFFICIAL US STORY THAT COULD HAVE DONE THIS TO FULL STRENGTH WTC STEEL COLUMNS AND GIRDERS. REMEMBER, NIST CATEGORICALLY DENIED THAT THIS MOLTEN/VAPORIZED STEEL EVEN EXISTED. CAN EVERYONE HERE SEE IT?