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Genocide is not just about physical destruction of people. It's about trying to destroy them as a group - ie, so they don't exist as Indigenous Peoples and are absorbed into the dominant culture. I believe that's what you are suggesting?

Yes it is: (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

First, Indigenous cultures in Canada are not going extinct. There is a strong resurgence happening since the 'cultural' genocide of the 'Indian' Residential Schools ended. Young adults of today are the first generations not directly impacted by those heinous schools, but they know and experienced how it affected their parents, grandparents, etc. They are strong, educated and determined to reclaim their cultural practices and languages. The birth rate has increased substantially. Second, "By allowing it to happen. By not forestalling it with more good money after bad," You are suggesting underfunding them to the point of deprivation, so they 'cease to exist'? That's (c) in the list of the acts of genocide: Article II In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CrimeOfGenocide.aspx Intentional neglect and deprivation is still genocide. Be careful what you advocate.

Then please explain what you meant by this: "And in the end, they are going extinct as a culture anyway. Better to pull a bandaid off quiickly..."

These are enormous human needs, FN needs, and our needs, as you pointed out. While politicians are paying off their political backers with bogus 'subsidies' ... with our money.

And you. I don't have to explain to you why advocating destruction of Indigenous cultures isn't 'right'. It's illegal. You might want to cool it.

Fossil fuel industry subsidies of $1b/year would help. I'm sure there are many other political payoffs ... er ... I mean unnecessary business and industry subsidies that we could put to better use.

I'm not sure what you're referring to, but from your descriptions of remote FN's, they're not gaining much from it. And across the board, FN services are still underfunded compared to ours.

I wish that was possible, but our governments always deal with them dishonestly. Because all they want is their land and resources ... without any costs attached. Politicians are only in it for a four year stint, and to try to be reelected. They don't take on difficult and controversial issues like that. Few Indigenous people vote, so it buys politicians nothing. The Senate maybe ...?

I mean legally. Our governments have a long and ugly history of forced removals and relocations of Indigenous Peoples to take their land for our purposes: settlement, railroads, resources, etc.

I understand and share your genuine concern, Hal, but you cannot force them. Has anyone offered anything? If they leave their land, what happens to their land rights? Will the government take their land? (Of course.) Are they getting any revenues from activity on their lands, or does the government take that too ... and give them only enough to keep them desperately destitute? (Likely) Do they have outstanding land claims that the government won't settle? (Likely) Attawapiskat has diamonds on their traditional lands. DeBeers rakes it in and they get a pittance. Frankly, I'm suspicious that a lot of remote communities are in resource rich areas and suffering from intentional government neglect to intentionally 'starve them out'. Certainly wouldn't be the first time. Who's gonna know? Another insidious face of genocide. And it is always about the government's greed for their land and it's resources. It just isn't as simple as making them move.

Irrelevant. Genocide is destruction of culture groups. Killing is only one way.

Your disrespect for WWII veterans is appalling. They fought to stop Hitler's discrimination (to put it mildly) against Jews and others. Oh! I get it! You're one of those neonazi Hitler fans! Not surprising, but ... Eeeewwww. Oh ... and ... You think I'm a liberal? Lol !

1) Betsy suggested "take no prisoners" - ie, kill surviving combatants. I said that's a war crime. (Not sure what you're on about, but it wasn't what I said.) 2) "Sergeant First Class (SFC) Christopher James Speer (September 9, 1973 – August 6, 2002)[2] was a U.S. Army combat medic and an armed member of[3] a special operations team who was fatally wounded during a skirmish in Afghanistan on July 27, 2002. Speer, who was not wearing a helmet at the time because the mission called for indigenous clothing, suffered a head wound from a grenade and succumbed to his injuries approximately two weeks later." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Speer Speer was trained as a medic, but he was an armed combatant that day. 3) No I never heard that the Khadr's denounced citizenship. Neither did wikipedia. Where'd you hear that? Seems silly. They're here. Lol

I wouldn't assume that there's any capacity for anything different.

Well ... no. You seem to have difficulty dealing with reality.

You're replying to something I didn't say. Go back and read. Who denounced his citizenship?

Getting all the white supremacist goons out of the CAF would be good. Who gets the jobs, depends on the process.

Sapper, it's very disturbing that you (or any Canadian) just throw out genocidal wishes and strategies as if this is a 'joke'. "going extinct ... anyway ... pull a bandaid off quiickly..." You are suggesting that we destroy Indigenous cultures ... quickly. What you are doing is advocating genocide. That's a felony in Canada: "318 (1) Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years." http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-318.html

How disrespectful. You don't speak for Canadian WWII veterans. They fought against ethnic and religious discrimination. And they brought those feelings home, and Canada began to change. You don't seem to belong here. And I doubt Britain wants you either. Lol

It's a war crime.

Sgt Speer was armed and not working as a medic that day. I don't believe they can leave him to die - wars have some rules - especially after he hollered that he's Canadian. They did try to kill him, though, shot him repeatedly. They executed the other survivor too. I think that's not legal either, but that guy was a true terrorist, friend of Omar's father, making sure Omar didn't run away, and likely the one who actually did throw the grenade.

That would be good.

Trump is no 'real man'. He's a sexist pig and a whiny little manbaby. They "stood up and showed their loyalty for Canada" of 70+ years ago. That's why they carry the red ensign - to signify their 'loyalty' to the Canada that then only allowed white people to immigrate. It's quite disturbing to veterans who fought WWII against discrimination under that flag.

They were living up there long before the industries! That specific part of Northern Ontario is their traditional land, for thousands of years. They seldom benefit from industry in their areas - industries bring their own workers, aren't willing to train new ones, won't accommodate cultural needs (fall hunt, mourning times, etc). Some of that is starting to change ... slowly ... and only because the Supreme Court forced governments and industry to recognize Aboriginal rights to consultation and accommodation about any activity on their traditional lands.