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http://www.communityinsite.ca/science.html For those still arguing various possible outcomes of a supervised injection site, the above link provides summaries of all of the research and links to the full research reports. I note that the clients appear not to be engaging in increased crime as no increase is found in the DTES, and there is a decrease in some crimes - vehicle breakins for example.

Under our laws, it is illegal to serve people who are intoxicated and the server/host has liability. However, insite is not providing drugs/intoxicants. This is perhaps a grey area, but the input of the police will be relevant if clients injected at the site are engaging in criminal behaviour afterwards.

"Except as authorized under the regulations..." allows for exemptions through regulations that will cover Insite. I see no valid argument in saying Insite is wrong because it is illegal, when the Supreme Court just made it legal.

To those who defend the system that allows a free ride to the richEST I would ask ... - What solutions to the present situation would you propose? - If the system as it is is so great, why do we need solutions to the current situation?

Http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/powerinvestment_manager.htm

In jail on methadone?What's your cure rate? It appears the police down there don't agree with you.

Harm reduction is a medical model and the law now recognizes the evidence. So harm reduction medical facilities and clients are now exempt from the law. Makes sense to me. The police have to enforce the law, within their discretion. They need this clarification or they are subject to protest for not busting junkies for possession at the clinic. The clinic does not give out drugs: They bring their, and trafficking is prohibited onsite. They just get clean needles and medical care. And it hasn't increased drug use or relapse, and it has cut HIV 70% in those users. Because of the evidence, the medical community is obligated by oath to deliver the service, but the police are compromised as they have to police it. Now the medical community and the police can both do their jobs assigned jobs leeeeeeeeeegally.

It's foolish to put all your democratic eggs in the "elected" basket. Don't you understand the concept that our democracy consists of 3 branches of government (executive, parliament, judiciary) so we ahave a system of checks and balances on the power of each and are not always to the whims of political ideology?Our elected representatives are required to govern all of the people fairly, not just those who share their political ideology, and the democratic checks and balances are built in to to the system to protect us from politicians/parties, even even with a strong majority (let alone a spurious one), that might try to destroy or circumvent the democratic rights of the people. Those of you who disdain drug addicts should try living their life sometime, starting with any traumas of their childhood and learning disabilities and including their current living conditions. A group of pro hockey players were taken on a tour of the Downtown Eastside and they learned a lot, like the over $400 cost of a mouldy bug and rodent infested flophouse 'room'. They assumed such a room would cost about $20/mo. Another thing they learned is that there are plenty of former pro athletes living in those circumstances because they got hooked on oxy's (morphine, heroin) as a result of injuries .

It isn't really about "fun" of course, but there is some pure joy at the sense of new and better possibilities evolving because of the efforts of these very intelligent, organized, committed and competent protesters. While there are some older protesters, it is clear that the organizing efforts belong to the youth and I am very impressed by their commitment to peace and their solidarity in maintaining that commitment to progress by peaceful means. I applaud your effort to do the same, AW, as real progress can only occur through peaceful dialogue that respects all points of view and retains the democratic rights of all.

Gee ... Is the United States of America not a free speech zone?

After police attacking people randomly in the "free speech zone" in Toronto at the G20, ripping off a man's prosthetic leg and telling him to "hop" ... and beating up a guy because his name was Adam Nobody ... Free speech zones are never going to work here again. In NY, since the protesters are camped out, a suitable place had to be found for that. I believe Zucotti park is privately owned and they have permission of the owner. However, they march on Wall Street twice a day at opening and closing bells, and that's when the police go snaky. I haven't seen people interviewed who complain about the congestion. Those interviewed support the messages of the protesters. If the people of NY are not complaining, WHO ARE THE POLICE PROTECTING????? Are they ordered to protect Wall Street from protest? Seems to me Wall Street can hire its own security for that. The salaries of NYPD are paid by THE PEOPLE.

WOW! Awesome. Took some courage for them to do that. Kudos to those who did the work to educate them.

As I said (before I fell asleep ... No. The wealthiEST have taken the jobs overseas, Stashed their wealth offshore, And pay the same proportion of their income in taxes AS THE POOR. Yes, the wealthiEST pay a smaller proportion in taxes than the middle class and THE RICH. Yes that's right, if you are rich, you are being screwed by the richEST. And now that the middle class is being gutted and won't be paying as much taxes, the tax burden will fall increasingly on the 'ordinarily wealthy', while the richEST will pay far less than you. The distinction between the 'ordinarily wealthy' and the wealthiEST 1% is very important, because it's the 'ordinarily wealthy' who are now being screwed by the wealthiEST. And they are counting on you suckers to defend THEM, and they laugh at you all the way to the Caymans as they foist THEIR tax burden onto YOU.

Yes, No.

No No.

Who said you can't? Fill yer boots ... behind the orange fence though cos that's the mace free zone ... for now anyway. Bring your own ziploc.

I think they're too busy scrambling to do damage control - eg, writing cheques to the MSM to pay them off for not reporting on the protest.

But he made it soooooo eeeeeeeeasy!

"... over 2 million Twitter hits so far. The revolution will not be televised -- it will be tweeted." Great article and video here

I apologize again for not being clear about that BC. The corporatist culture is everywhere and the 1percenters are a problem everywhere. And since the US is our market, we know who is the big dog and who is the wagging tail. You heard it from the horse's mouth, folks! He's only here for the "mischief". Might I suggest that those who want to take him on on Can-US nitpicking create a thread for that and link his derail posts to it for continuation, so discussions can continue on topic.

OMG !! I was wrong !! I should have said using the system against itself is awesome !! Then we are agreed.

Well of course protesters come and go as their commitments allow, meaning there are many many more protesters than are actually onsite at any one time. I find it interesting too that in addition to setting up a kitchen (and I hope bathrooms), the protesters have set up a library. Looking for employment is pretty much an online activity these days, so I'm sure job searches, applications and responses are continuing, as are the studies of any who are undergrad/grad students, along with reporting to various student and independent media. You can march on Wall Street and respond to job offers at the same time. Cool, eh? Electronic media is the message, cos the message is 'We've got your number and you can't shut us up or shut us down anymore!' Awesome!

Jailed for covering the Wall Street protests "We like the terminology 'grassroots media,' where people in the march were literally marching with laptops and webcams so that they could live broadcast. I think it's an immediate, never before possible edge," said JRL. He was arrested while carrying his Canon 7D camera. Multiple videos from Sept. 24 show police arresting people holding cameras and audio equipment. An NYPD spokesperson told ABC News that the police were not targeting camera operators. ... "I heard a commotion and went outside to find cops macing women and arresting people and hitting people with nightsticks, so I started taking pictures," said Queary. "I followed a young, black male as he was being accosted by five cops. As I tried to take a picture I was pushed away. I asked why I was pushed away and then the next thing you know I was being judo flipped." http://mobile.salon.com/news/feature/2011/09/28/wall_street_protest_arrested/

Agreed. B_C reacted to something I said and derailed the thread with his usual Can-US p'ng contest, and some people took the bait. I don't think BC likes this thread.

Has that happened at Wall Street? I'm aware of the incident in Toronto. Ziplocs you said? I was wondering what they're doing for bathrooms. I hope that's not their only option. I'm posting some articles. There are lots of them now from small and presumeably independent media, but the big guys are still chicken. That's a huge victory for the protesters. The mouthpieces of the 1% are silenced. Never thought I'd see the day ... Man there must be some columnists chewing their pencils in frustration at not being able to pontificate on this important story. Just shows what sheep they really are. http://www.northjersey.com/news/business/130757203_Occupation_of_Wall_Street__no_trifling_matter.html?mobile=1&c=y The hardest battles to wage are against the invisible enemies. The invisible power structures are corporations on Wall Street,” he said. “We are the 99 percent that wil no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the http://www.thetowerlight.com/2011/09/41072/ http://www.nydailynews.com/tech_guide/2011/09/28/2011-09-28_occupy_wall_street_protesters_in_new_york_use_iphone_android_app_vibe_to_communi.html http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/09/29/occupy-wall-street-12-days-and-little-sign-of-slowing-down/