Leader Circle

Doesn't a higher dollar usually lead to higher interest rates & inflation?

Shoop, I do believe you have uncovered a conspiracy here with Harper & the CBC. LOL It amazes me, how much the Liberals can actually do to try to ruin a man's reputation. When you have many of the major media outlets on your side, you can do great things!

By this reasoning, Toronto alone has 20 billion reasons to separate. Because Alberta was legally incorporated under the Canadian Government - thus Albertans have a proportional share of said debts, incurred to the theoretical benefit of Albertans. Repudiation of said debts would turn Alberta into a banana republic. You are showing your ignorance of actual facts here - which really calls into question the validity of your other statements. If elected representatives were required to have a poll election or referendum in every riding of the country for every decision as you are suggesting here, I respectfully submit our governance would be worse (and far more annoying). I'm still waiting for the first valid reason to be given. All hear so far is just whinging. So long as that Alberta 'Reform' group controls the Conservative Party of Canada, there is no one else who can form a Government in Canada besides the Liberal Party and thus, endless Liberal election victories are foreseen as probable. Eventually Albertans might figure it out that they are the ones causing the Liberal majorities, not Ontario. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> To reply to your earlier post Mikey, Here is reasons to separate: 1 - Every taxpaying Albertan sends $9,000 more annually to Ottawa than they receive in benefits. 2 - Ottawa does NOT appoint elected Senators from Alberta / rather the appointees are the Prime Minister's chosen ones. 3 - Alberta (with a population much greater than all of the Maritime provinces) has 1/4 of the Maritime representatives in the Senate and fewer Members of Parliament. 4 - Ottawa locks up Alberta farmers for selling their wheat to the United States without an Ottawa bureaucracy's approval. 5 - Ottawa arrested and charged peaceful protestor's who were opposed to federal government policies. (gun registry) 6 - Ottawa plans to implement environmental policies (Kyoto) that hurt Alberta while giving exemptions to Ontario businesses. 7 - Ottawa gives more grants to the Prime Minister's riding than all the western provinces combined. 8 - The Prime Minister has total authority to appoint Judges to the Supreme Court of Canada / these judges that decide the laws of Canada. 9 - The Prime Minister answers only to an Ethics Commissioner the Prime Minister appointed. 10 - Any attempt to have a Prime Minister elected from Alberta would be met with ridicule and contempt from Quebec and Ontario. I stole this from another forum, but they sound like good reasons to me.

Greg has advised me to set you to ignore, so I will do so as has most here. Sorry that you have such a hate on for me. Hope things go well with your history teachings. Lots of Love, Leader

Hey Canadian Troll, how did you know Mad Mikey is a woman? I did not know this.

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Actually, I've offered Leader's Circle an argument, but he appears to be disinclined to take it up. Thus, I should think his real goal is to just help to spread the propaganda and to hide when challenged. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I will argue with you, I just don't have the time to do so. I have what is called a job, I do not vote NDP or Liberal, therefore I have to work! Sorry if this 'job' word scares you, it's actually not that bad! I think Trudeau was the originater of the national debt! My info is not propaganda, I was passing along some info on the latest poll! As far as CC goes, we must not feed them damn trolls!

Am I correct to presume that you have no rebuttals to any of my arguments or statements?Not surprising, separatists love to rant, rave and whinge, but rarely are capable of substantiating or justifying their position to anyone but a fellow true believer. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> whinge..... do I smell a former banned poster? or just another TROLL? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, you smell someone with a degree in political science and twenty years of following Canadian politics. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> OMG a degree!! Are you available for an autograph session later? I have not followed Canadian politics that long due to my age. I do not know all there is to know about politics and am the first to admit it, are you? I do keep up on current events and have some memories of past events and if they are wrong, I like being enlightened, but am still afforded an opinion.

Quebec separatists are ethically no different from terrorists because they wish to use the the threat of violence to get their way. Think about it: if it is impossible to reform the existing constitutional structures within the country then it will be be impossible to 'negotiate' any separation from the country. However, separatists know that but don't care because they think they can just declare a UDI if negotiations break down. But what is a UDI? It is a declaration of war that must be backed up with violence if it is to have any meaning what so ever. If people die while a province tries to enforce its UDI then separatists will have blood on their hands: just like terrorists. The only difference is separatists like to believe they are not advocating violance - but this is just because they are in denial. I said nothing of the sort. I simply said that there are legitimate ways to advocate change in a democratic society are there are illegitimate ways. Advocating separation and terrorism are illegitimate. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I still find it hard to draw a line between separatists & terrorists. Terrorists fight for a cause with no respect for life or consequences.(Their own & others lives.) Separatists usually try to separate themselves from a country because they are unhappy with their national government. They are protecting their culture, religions or beliefs from being crushed by a tyranny. These separations are not always violent, but they can be. Do you think we should still be a British colony? We separated from them peacefully. Were the Americans a bunch of terrorists when they struggled for independence from the UK? These are two vastly different groups.

By this reasoning, Toronto alone has 20 billion reasons to separate. Because Alberta was legally incorporated under the Canadian Government - thus Albertans have a proportional share of said debts, incurred to the theoretical benefit of Albertans. Repudiation of said debts would turn Alberta into a banana republic. You are showing your ignorance of actual facts here - which really calls into question the validity of your other statements. If elected representatives were required to have a poll election or referendum in every riding of the country for every decision as you are suggesting here, I respectfully submit our governance would be worse (and far more annoying). I'm still waiting for the first valid reason to be given. All hear so far is just whinging. So long as that Alberta 'Reform' group controls the Conservative Party of Canada, there is no one else who can form a Government in Canada besides the Liberal Party and thus, endless Liberal election victories are foreseen as probable. Eventually Albertans might figure it out that they are the ones causing the Liberal majorities, not Ontario. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> A rebuttal for you would be...don't feed the trolls. As far as the 11 billion reasons versus Toronto's 20 billion, Toronto actually sees a fair bit of money from the feds. Whereas, Alberta doesn't get anywhere near the return money that Toronto sees. Equalization, my ass! Mikey, did Trudeau not start the national debt?

Am I correct to presume that you have no rebuttals to any of my arguments or statements?Not surprising, separatists love to rant, rave and whinge, but rarely are capable of substantiating or justifying their position to anyone but a fellow true believer. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> whinge..... do I smell a former banned poster? or just another TROLL?

The SPA party could advocate change to the electoral system in Alberta and Canada without pushing seperation. Advocating seperation, like terrorism, is an morally unacceptable form of political expression since both ideologies justify social violance and chaos in the name of correcting 'injustices'. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How do you draw the line between separatists and terrorists? Are you saying Quebec is a nation of terrorists? You need to get your facts straight! I guess you want Alberta to shut up and keep agreeing with everything Ottawa tells it to do? And now I would like to introduce Sparhawk, Canada's newest dictator!!!

Equalization money is funded from general revenues which means there is absolutely no way to calculate how much comes from Alberta. However, in terms of total dollars - Ontario pays much more into the pot than Alberta does so Ontario has more right to complain. Would you support separation of Red Deer If Albertans elected an NDP gov't because people in Calgary and Edmonton decided they are sick of the Conservatives? If you have a problem with the first past the post system that gives absolute power to a minority then you could start by advocating change to the way Alberta elects its gov't. However, I am pretty sure that you don't have a problem with the electoral system in Alberta because it elects people who you agree with. That makes you a hypocrite if you complain about the flaws in the Canadian electoral system but ignore identical flaws in the Alberta electoral system. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Alberta electoral system is heavily flawed, that is why I would support a federal Alberta system as proposed by the SPA. I do not believe in giving absolute power to a minority and don't think that Ralph has Albertans best interests in mind. That is why the SPA is a provincial party, trying to rid Alberta of such a system and make the MLA's responsible to the people.

By this reasoning, Toronto alone has 20 billion reasons to separate. Because Alberta was legally incorporated under the Canadian Government - thus Albertans have a proportional share of said debts, incurred to the theoretical benefit of Albertans. Repudiation of said debts would turn Alberta into a banana republic. You are showing your ignorance of actual facts here - which really calls into question the validity of your other statements. If elected representatives were required to have a poll election or referendum in every riding of the country for every decision as you are suggesting here, I respectfully submit our governance would be worse (and far more annoying). I'm still waiting for the first valid reason to be given. All hear so far is just whinging. So long as that Alberta 'Reform' group controls the Conservative Party of Canada, there is no one else who can form a Government in Canada besides the Liberal Party and thus, endless Liberal election victories are foreseen as probable. Eventually Albertans might figure it out that they are the ones causing the Liberal majorities, not Ontario. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The title of Mad is right! I'll leave it at that!

First: I have never seen any figures showing who pays what into equalization: anybody have some handy? Second: details aside, why are people convinced that separation would change any of these things? Alberta's political system suffers with many of the same flaws as the federal system (such as a lak of public input and a serious democratic deficit): The elite in Alberta have benefitted greatly from this set up and I highly doubt they'd be willing to change it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> From the SPA website: http://www.separationalberta.com/why.asp

I think the are about 11 billion reasons to separate. That would be the amount of equalization money sent to Ottawa in 2003 with little return. If Alberta has no debt, why should we held pay the national debt? It was started by Trudeau, why would we help anything that involved that loser? We would get rid of the useless GST! Lets have elected officials that are forced to vote the way the people want them to. (there's a novel idea) I am sure there are many more reasons for separation, but I don't want Alberta to separate if we can find an accountable government. If the Liberals can be ousted in the next election, I would not support separation. If the Liberals make government after the next election, I will support separation as strongly as I can!!!

I have read many ignorant statements and beliefs. Ignorance isn't neccesarily a bad thing. We are all ignorant of some things. No one can know everything, after all. But an ignorant statement, an ignorant opinion which determinedly ignores reality and evidence is in another category entirely. And has to make one wonder if it's real or merely trolling. To shrug off North Korea's death camps where entire families are worked and beaten to death over trifling political missteps by comparing them to prisons in other countries or Guantanamo Bay is so eye-poppingly preposterous it threatens to render anyone with more than half a brain cell nearly dazed. Someone suggested earlier you chose your name in order to mock conservatives and make us look bad. I am beginning to think they were right. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think he is either THELIB or his brother...just haven't figured it out!

When we talk about equal rights for all, it reminds me of this article a read the other day. It's from The Western Standard and if you have never read it, you should pick up a copy. The particualr article is by Mark Steyn and it is titled "Cross-dressed nation" He goes on to talk about Miss universe, from Toronto, Natalie Glebova, and how she was banned from Toronto City Hall while wearing her tiara & sash, because it involved "activities that were degrading to men & women through sexual stereotyping for the purpose of attracting attention" During the Gay pride parade this year, at Nathan Phillip's Square, they had "Miss Shemale World" on display. She(it) was wearing boots, gloves, a thong, a naked pair of breast implants, a sash & a tiara. Ok, who here notices anything strange?? So talk about equal rights! This surely represents equal rights for all! Is this glaringly obvious double standard an acceptable thing in the "new Canada"? Am I a bigot for finding fault with this?

If Alberta seperates, and the albertan federal government wants cheap gas from thier oil fields, do you think that the companies who can sell it for $60 a barrell in the open market will want to sell it close to home for less? Likely, no. Then the oil producers themselves will want their own country, and seperate from Alberta!! They'd probably be better off taxing the high gas sales. This still leaves albertans with market prices. And what province is paying a dollar more (per liter I guess you were referring to) than other provinces? I think the desire to seperate is more based on alienation (although I have no desire to seperate so that is purely speculation) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think alot of the reason westerners want separation is, mainly alienation from central Canada. We realize we have no say in federal matters because all of the western seats put together do not even match Ontario's totals. Also, when you are treated like second class citizens by the PM himself(Not even bothering to stop in Alberta during his campaign), you begin to realize that we don't matter to our leader. Having a PM from central Canada also makes westerners mad because they don't feel they are being represented by him and when he fights a battle it is only for Ont & Que and not the west. Little things like the senate appointments here recently, tend to set people off too. More & more we are losing our vote. It also seems that everything revolves around Quebec's issues with federalism and the PM seems determined to give them anything they want. So, it is possible that if western separation is a possibility, maybe PM will wake up & give a little love to the west! I doubt it, but it is worth a shot. Maybe handing over more power to the provinces will lessen that separation need?? www.separationalberta.com

It kind of makes that SUV purchase a little less attractive and that "smart car" purchase the conservative way to go. Here in Alberta, people love their SUV's, maybe they will take a second look if the oil prices keep climbing! Car companies have to be worried about SUV sales, if gas continues upward! I test drove a Hummer yesterday and it was very impressive, but it has a 6.0L high output engine in it, which equals 10MPG. Not good! I think I will stick to my diesel!!

Not to be pedantic or anything, but these are clearly typographic errors by the look of them. I can't imagine why anyone would bother to point such things out. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You're right...was poor taste on my part. Will not go there again! He will fade away eventually.

Don't take it so personally. It's a discussion board, not an agreement board. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly but I am being slammed for disscussing a topic and being told by leaders circle that I insult people for their oppinion than the hypocryte slams me for my oppinion. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I decided to edit this post. Was of poor taste and I will not stoop to that level! Sorry CC, I don't slam you for your opinion. Being on the same side of the political spectrum, it amazes me how different we are.

In a previous thread you just said I was ignorant; a little bit of doublespeak going on?? You keep missing my points. Pride is not standing up during a song, or wearing clothes with red and white, or hanging our flag; those are symptoms of a love for your country. If you have love for it, you'll want to improve it, defend it etc. By discussing things in places like this, we are improving it. There are a great many ways to express pride. I'm not calling you ignorant for being proud. I'm saying you could do with a heavy dose of knowledge in most things political, and a heavier dose of empathy and understanding other views. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I knwo thats not what pride is those are just examples. I discuss things liek you said to show my pride thast why I am here. But when I got people like leaders circle who is a newbie here going around bashing people because they have different oppinions it sickens me. I know what goes on in politics if thats what your implying I am not proud of the way things are running but its not politics that makes me have pride in my country. Its the feeling, this ocuntry doesn't wage war and doesn't have many enemies and isn't threatened on a day to day basis so I can feel free to walk the streets safely. Its not just the politics. I shouldnt have said all of that because now leaders circle is going to come and bash me for it because his pride difers from mine. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Spelling Lesson for those who didn't get what was going on above! 1.knwo=know 2.liek=like 3.oppinions=opinions 4.ocuntry=country 5.difers=differs Throw in a whole bunch of commas, a few paragraphs and you'll have yourself a nice post!! (At least a readable post!) LOL

In a previous thread you just said I was ignorant; a little bit of doublespeak going on?? You keep missing my points. Pride is not standing up during a song, or wearing clothes with red and white, or hanging our flag; those are symptoms of a love for your country. If you have love for it, you'll want to improve it, defend it etc. By discussing things in places like this, we are improving it. There are a great many ways to express pride. I'm not calling you ignorant for being proud. I'm saying you could do with a heavy dose of knowledge in most things political, and a heavier dose of empathy and understanding other views. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well said Spanky. Again, I am not sure he'll pick up on those points!

I never called you ignorant, I simply said, you should back off of Kimmy! If anyone here is proud of Canada, it's Kimmy. It's fairly obvious to the rest of us here, that her point has gone way over your head.(As does most of this!) I realize now, that I am wasting my time typing and should just leave this be, but it is embarassing(as a Conservative) to see you babble incoherent trash and wear the conservative flag. Please do us all a favor and slow down when you type, I did not understand anything from your last paragraph!! Go see THELIBERAL and see if you two can start your own forum of cock-fights, trash talking and bashing each other with clubs. Should be an interesting & uneducated discussion!