Derek 2.0

Yes, even though the purchase price of the C-27j is greater, operating more of the "cheaper" C295 is a false economy......more aircraft means more pilots, aircrew and technicians......larger parts inventory....more ramp spaces (at more airbases) to cover the weaker performance of the c295.........of course, the same can be applied to the C27j versus the C-130J, which we already operate in the transport squadrons, though the c-130J is more money to purchase and physically operate (by the hour) we would eliminate two aircraft types from the inventory, saving money and finding economies of scale with parts and training etc

The C-27J, like the Herc and Buff, is equally short for take off and landing.....versus the C295.

No it doesn't......of the Buff, Herc and C-27J, its requirements are all longer

No......it doesn't......the Herc has nearly double the range with nearly triple the load

I just provided you cites from both Airbus and Lockheed......maybe you'd better

Huh? Are you suggesting the C-295 has "better range" then the Herc?

Again, you don't have a clue Yes indeed......the optical system is even made in the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of International Development's riding....

You don't know what you're talking about..........our Herc SAR aircraft do carry such loads to aide in various searchs......furthermore, the Buffs, Hercs and the C-27J, unlike the C-295, are capable of landing on strips of 500m (or less)......an important feature for Canada's remote Northern communities.

Oh I agree, as I said in previous posts, I personally favored the latest J Hercs developed for the USCG.....the C-27J was to be a "cheaper" compromise (as in USCG service)......this Government went the even cheaper route, that just so happened to have its engines made in Trudeau's hometown......next time a plane crashes in the Arctic, or a fishing boat is in distress in the Atlantic, and Trudeau's C-295s have to cut the search even shorter to RTB for fuel, I hope this Government is held to account, or better yet, looked back on with contempt.

Both the SARTECs and the people being rescued.....be it rescue boats, (tracked) ATVs in the Arctic, rescue supplies, fuel bladders or even a helicopter.

What "its about", as I said in the post above, the C295 is less capable then the Hercs it will replace, as such, will degrade our ability to conduct FWSAR over the majority of the country, including both the High Arctic and the Atlantic coast.

Yes OGFT Omni, well the C295 will be an upgrade over the Buff, it will be a reduction in capability over what the Herc currently offers, likewise what the C-27J (or better yet, the C-130J) brought to the table.

His point is sound.......the Buffalo is but one SAR aircraft in our inventory (the other being the the C-130H).........guess which one is tasked to the Arctic..... It will be an upgrade (on paper) over the Buffalos in many areas, but not the far larger Herc fleet, and is less capable then the C-27J in practice.

Yes we do, and weight isn't the only factor, but actual internal volume.......and of course range. Price I will grant you, but the C-27J lost because its engines aren't made in Liberal ridings in Montreal. Range, payload (both weight and volume) and the avionics and sensors The C-295 in fairness also shares a variant of the engines our Dash 8s use. But that would be mooted by the retirement of two aircraft types (Buffs and H Herks) for a single type....... Sure they can and do, but as I said, internal volume for bulky items is a far bigger factor then actual weight........likewise range......something our current Herks, that it will replace, and the C-27J bested the C295 at. Source? Of the current operators, first how many operate it in a SAR role and second, how many operate over such an expansive country, in varying climates as Canada? Those boxes have been checked by the C-27J. Such as? I do know the C-27j is operated by the US Coast Guard, in all environments, in the same roles......

Its not taboo among the Libertarian bent.....what would be ironic though, as suggested by Boges, is if the Trudeau Liberals are the ones that really start cracking the whip on their legal pot......gotta protect their donor classes interests....remember, Trudeau's buddy Chuck Rifici was one of the largest legal growers of dope in Canada....

By the local First Nations? I'd figure the difference between the proposed practices back then and as historic today..........there are still trees to fall.

I'm not the slightest bit dismissive about legal pot, though I don't partake, I've no qualms with the prospect of it (and haven't for decades), and have said as much since I started posting here......to go even further, recently an elderly family member, with rheumatoid arthritis, started taking these drops (without the THC), and has forgone all pharmaceuticals including Advil.....for about $25 a month for a tube of the stuff...... Though anecdotal, as I'm sure this "Magic cure all" gets furthered spread around an aging population, the Trudeau government will find itself more and more at the dinner donor tables of big pharma......and you can imagine the result.

Oh well, I have little doubt they'll do it again with Kinder Morgan..........now emboldened by the "victory" at Standing Rock.........Trudeau picked the wrong time to approve a pipeline.

Clayoquot 2.0, smoking a joint, along the pipeline route might be a good start.

It could very well.......remember, to many on the left, Trudeau is a "right winger", and most of Trudeau's current let downs are promised leftish policies, as such, he's pissing off more of the NDPers, Bloc and Green voters .......as to a mean conservative, using Harper as an example, Harper's intentions and policies were (as historic) as predictable as a bus schedule.....for the most part, he did what he said he was going to do, had few (if any) major policy reversals and the public could decide if they loved or hated him and his (not so hidden) agenda........many people didn't like him, nor felt "inspired" by him, but there were no major surprises..... Trudeau on the other hand promised the Earth and the Moon, inspired throngs of people too young to remember how the Liberals actually are, and he is now in the process of letting reality out of the bag, and has adopted many of the same policies that people grew tired off from Harper.....Harper grew stale like white bread.......Trudeau just put the stale bread in the toaster, uttered pretty mouth noises, and is trying to convince those he conned that it is something else....... Harper was hated for his policies and perceived nastiness......the populace will come to hate Trudeau for his policies, nastiness and most important of all, his failed promises......the big question will be when? I think if both the Tories and NDP put forth a populace agenda, delivered by a populist leader, they could very well ride the wave and make Trudeau a one term and out PM......if they continue along their present paths, we'd be lucky to see Trudeau cut down into a Minority in 2019. Between his approval of Site C and now Kinder Morgan, there are plenty of 2015 Liberal voters in BC that are suffering from buyers remorse.......

Whats to worry.......Trudeau put Anne McLellan in charge....she did a great job with the long gun registry

Funny, I remember when the Clayoquot was going to be logged "one way or another".........

As Argus's article said.......Toronto elected Rob Ford...........anything could happen. With that said, there is no reason as to why the NDP (or even Greens) couldn't select their own populist, along the lines of Bernie Sanders, and find electoral success.......they could simply promise to do all the crap Trudeau promised to do but won't.... "Liberal-Tory same old story"

As I said in the leadership thread, O'Leary is the only Tory that could beat Trudeau outright in 2019 (barring some major Trudeau scandal that the media can't ignore).

Regardless of economics, I feel the only way Kinder Morgan will receive "social license" from many groups, namely First Nation, is if this expansion is shipping out refined products.........some within the BC Greens and BC NDP have suggested that the pipeline with a refinery at the terminus would make more sense, both in terms of revenue, jobs and a reduced risk of a devastating oil spill (I would tend to agree with them). Inversely, Grand Chief Stewart Phillip has suggested the material should be refined in Alberta....... Either way, as currently proposed, I highly doubt that it will be built. More like "British Columbians against getting bent over the (oil) barrel".........by all means, find where I've stated I'm against "pipelines" It does daily for nearly 30 years.......like any heavy grade crude with a low viscosity it is clearly diluted. That doesn't jive with Oka or Clayoquot sound..... Financial services and the insurance sectors are far larger cornerstones then real estate.........but I'll grant you real estate is a bigger industry in BC then the O&G sector......so why put in jeopardy (for little to no benefit) our far larger sectors, in the center of the financial hub of the province, for the sake of Alberta's O&G industry? Harper approved Northern Gateway........how did that work out? With out a doubt, and his remarks, combined with the countless Trudeau lies, have only hardened the resolve of local First Nations.