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RE::If one does a scientific analysis of news reporting in this country it is apparent theat the media treat the Liberals with kid gloves compared to any other party. I have offered this challenge on many other forums! No Conservative has yet to take me up on it! The biggest B.S. myth in this country is the B.S. myth the media is bias toward the Liberals! Here is the challenge bigdude! Post one article that puts down the Conservatives and I'll post 5 that puts down the Liberals! I'll even post articles that put down the Liberals from the C.B.C. and the so called Liberal rag the Toronto Star!!! Ball is in your court mouth piece!

Have you ever seen so many people wanting insurance driven healthcare!! Some people would love to have our healthcare run by money grabbers!!! Wonderful!!!

RE::They're like a toothless lion trying to frighten the liberals with their roar. I personally hope they bring down the government then we can get back to a majority liberal government and get this country on the right track. The way things are going I predict 157 to 160 seats for the Liberals in the next election whenever that will be. Peter MacKay had his personal political death wish answered when he back stabbed David Orchard!!! Peter MacKay ended his hopes of a political career as leader when he did that! Now every time I hear Peter talk about honesty and integrity (which the Conservatives love to do) WELL I burst out laughing!!!

And who have they got to run in Harper's place? Peter MacKay the promise breaker and liar? This regional western redneck party has to be de-merged. Then the old P.C.'s have to revamp their party THAT IS THEIR ONLY HOPE IN HELL OF WINNING AN ELECTION! Canada with the majority of our population in central Canada is not ready for Alberta to run the whole country. You can change names,leaders and merge as many times as you want YOU AIN'T GONNA FOOL THE MAJORITY!!! Alberta wants to run the whole country. Canada's message to them SCREW YOU!!!

Here's the truth about this deal. There was not an additional 4 billion added to the budget. The 4 billion came about through tax cuts that were clawed back from big business and put into the pockets of the average Canadian! The Conservatives are dead set against taking tax breaks away from big business. UNBELIEVEABLE!!!

RE::What difference does it make now? Why mention it now? Because Belinda.ca's character has been a hotly debated subject since her defection. KEY WORD ( since her defection) she was great before the defection in the Conservative eyes! Oh how they eat their own EH?

RE::Hardly anything to be ranting about,among other things we aren't doing well at..... Note Stan conviently ignored these facts::: http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive...3/25/c4564.html Countries with More Machines Do Not Necessarily Provide More Scans: Manitoba, for example, had about 2.6 MRI scanners per million population in 2001, half the number England reported in 2001. Yet Manitoba reported a higher scan rate than England - 17 scans per 1,000 people in 2001-02, compared to 14 in England. (Given that Manitoba's definition of scans is narrower than England's, this comparison likely underestimates the difference in scan rates.) - Age of Equipment: Canada's MRI and CT machines are, on average, newer than those in Europe. According to 2001 data, nearly 70% of Canada's MRI and CT scanners were less than five years old, a larger proportion than in 9 European countries where equipment age was tracked.

No I found another! France has 2 tier healthcare and they are ranked number one BUT GET THIS! France has 3.3 doctors per 1000 population we have 2.1 per 1000 population! What does that tell you "ANYTHING" or isn't your common sense working good enough to figure it out? WE DO NOT NEED INSURANCE DRIVEN HEALTHCARE IN THIS COUNTRY!

Great come back Stan just wonderful the Conservative crowd must be very happy to have the likes of you in their ranks!!! And people have the nerve to ask me why I vote Liberal.

Ask Monte how much the last Conservative government spent on healthcare equipment? When the Liberals got elected in 1993 we only had 30 MRI machines in this country! Wonderful eh? http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive...3/25/c4564.html SUPPLY OF IMAGING EQUIPMENT --------------------------- Canada had a total of 147 MRI scanners in January 2003 compared to 30 in 1993, an increase of nearly 400%. The number of CT scanners rose by about 50% over the same period, from 216 in 1993 to 326 in January 2003. The country also had 594 nuclear medicine cameras, 165 angiography suites, 94 catheterization labs, and 14 PET scanners in January 2003.

Open heart surgery in Britain? They've got it down to 3 months! Open heart surgery in Canada? 11 weeks!!!!! http://www.bhf.org.uk/about/printout.asp?s...=111&artID=5439 "Waiting times for heart surgery have been significantly reduced, especially in England. Four years ago, more than 1,000 people were waiting over 12 months for a heart operation. "By December 2003 only a few hundred people waited more than six months and by 2005 none will have to wait more than """three months."" This year we spent a record £53.3 million on our main objective, research; 7% more than last year. "Another £22.1 million was spent on education and care projects; nearly 30% of our regular charitable expenditure and 46% more than in 2002/03. http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/abstract/146/6/921 The mean wait for elective cardiac catheterization was 8.5 weeks. There were 10,097 PTCA procedures done, a rate of 39 per 100,000 population. The mean wait for elective PTCA was 11.0 weeks, the longest wait occurring in Quebec (15.4 weeks). A total of 16,240 open-heart procedures were performed, a rate of 63 per 100,000 population. The mean wait for elective open-heart surgery was 22.6 weeks, the longest wait occurring in Quebec and British Columbia (more than 32 weeks). hint: elective open-heart surgery is in fact a non emergency situation! NOTE: Quebec with the most private clinics in the country HAS the longest waiting times!!!

Knee replacement wait time in Britain? Some say 3 months some say 1 year!!!! Knee replacement in Canada? Wait time 8 weeks!!!! Are you getting it yet? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3749801.stm Waits 'improving' For knee surgery, the public were prepared to wait for three months and expected to wait for five months. The actual wait for a """knee replacement is a year,""" data from Dr Foster suggests. http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/331/16/1068 Results About 80 percent of the questionnaires were returned, but not all the respondents answered all the questions. The rate of response to specific questions was about 60 to 65 percent in both countries. The median waiting time for an initial orthopedic consultation was two weeks in the United States and four weeks in Ontario. The median waiting time for knee replacement after the operation had been planned was three weeks in the United States and ""eight weeks in Canada."" In the United States, 95 percent of patients in the national sample considered their waiting time for surgery acceptable, as compared with 85.1 percent in Ontario. Overall satisfaction with surgery ("very or somewhat satisfied") was 85.3 percent for all U.S. respondents and 83.5 percent for Canadian respondents.

Britain HAS a 2 tier healthcare system. Note there are only 3 provinces in this country that have waiting lists as long or longer than Britain for hip replacements! Are you listening or is your head buried in deep Conservative sand!!! WE DO NOT NEED INSURANCE DRIVEN PRIVATE HEAlthcare in this country!!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3749801.stm NHS waiting time 'underestimated' Waiting times may often be much longer than people expect People in Britain underestimate the time they would have to wait for an NHS operation, a survey suggests The poll of 1,000 people, by TNS on behalf of Norwich Union Healthcare, showed most expect to wait five months for a hip operation. Most wait nearer 11 months, independent medical researchers Dr Fosters said. Patients also had unrealistic expectations for other operations and many said they did not know where to go to find out waiting times. A LIST OF THE WAIT TIMES ACROSS CANADA FOR HIP AND KNEE REPLACEMENT SURGERY IN 2000-2001, ACCORDING TO THE ARTHRITIS SOCIETY AND CANADIAN ORTHOPAEDIC ASSOCIATION. Saskatchewan: 23 months New Brunswick: 19 months British Columbia: 11 months Alberta: 10 months Quebec: 7 months P.E.I.: 7 months Ontario: 7 months Manitoba: 6 months Nova Scotia: 6 months Newfoundland: 6 months

In the last decade since 1993 the number of MRI machines in the country has gone up 400%! The Conservatives were in power before 1993 for 9 years and we had a grand total of 30 Mri Machines when they run the show! http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive...3/25/c4564.html SUPPLY OF IMAGING EQUIPMENT --------------------------- Canada had a total of 147 MRI scanners in January 2003 compared to 30 in 1993, an increase of nearly 400%. The number of CT scanners rose by about 50% over the same period, from 216 in 1993 to 326 in January 2003. The country also had 594 nuclear medicine cameras, 165 angiography suites, 94 catheterization labs, and 14 PET scanners in January 2003.

Why do they bring this up now? The motif they are accusing her of IS NOW irrevelent because she changed parties!!! These Conservatives love sleaze. If they were as good at selling their platform policies they might gain more seats! Canadians are going to get tired of these sleazy attempts of character assination! http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...Story/National/ Belinda Stronach gave $100,000 to her opponentBy BRIAN LAGHI Tuesday, June 7, 2005 Updated at 3:22 AM EDT From Tuesday's Globe and Mail Ottawa — Former Conservative leadership candidate Belinda Stronach donated $100,000 to help pay off the campaign debt of third-place finisher Tony Clement, a move that has raised questions among Tories over whether she was trying to buy Mr. Clement's future loyalty.

For the biggest CONSERVATIVE bias radio station in Canada to say they think the tapes were edited WELL HELLO!!!!! And Harper defended Grewal!!! Harper may have just put the finishing touches to his political career. If this turns out to be the truth Mr. Grewal should be deported! http://www.cfra.com/headlines/index.asp CFRA producers have examined the .wav files of the tapes and offer their opinions. Both believe the tapes have been edited. Note: The following are the opinions of the producers and are not being presented as proof. Our producers are not forensic investigators. Madely in the Morning technical producer Mike Murphy says that the first excerpt has two audible "clicks" where it appears that another piece of tape has been inserted. Murphy says that the clicks are visible by spikes in the .wav file (pictured above). CFRA producer Barry Hayes says the background noise in the other tape could be proof of an edit. He say it appears that the part the Liberals claim was inserted into the tape may have come from another venue because of the difference in background noise. Both said that the editing job looks "Amateurish". Murphy says that if he were teaching an editing course and a student turned this in, he or she would certainly fail the assignment.

For the biggest CONSERVATIVE bias radio station in Canada to say they think the tapes were edited WELL HELLO!!!!! And Harper defended Grewal!!! Harper may have just put the finishing touches to his political career. If this turns out to be the truth Mr. Grewal should be deported! http://www.cfra.com/headlines/index.asp CFRA producers have examined the .wav files of the tapes and offer their opinions. Both believe the tapes have been edited. Note: The following are the opinions of the producers and are not being presented as proof. Our producers are not forensic investigators. Madely in the Morning technical producer Mike Murphy says that the first excerpt has two audible "clicks" where it appears that another piece of tape has been inserted. Murphy says that the clicks are visible by spikes in the .wav file (pictured above). CFRA producer Barry Hayes says the background noise in the other tape could be proof of an edit. He say it appears that the part the Liberals claim was inserted into the tape may have come from another venue because of the difference in background noise. Both said that the editing job looks "Amateurish". Murphy says that if he were teaching an editing course and a student turned this in, he or she would certainly fail the assignment.

Although a few Conservative party members do not agree with Grewal taping people seems their leader does. Harper is willing (I tell you) to do anything to gain power. :angry: What Grewal did is frowned upon by his own party members not to mention it is borderline law breaking YET Harper supports that? Oh and by the way tell me again about these Conservatives being united will ya? It seems they are not "ALL" on the same page going by this story. Yes indeed Harper is scary just how far will he go! I wonder if maybe he got Grewal to do this? http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2005/05...1064928-cp.html Grewal's ethics questioned By BRUCE CHEADLE OTTAWA (CP) - Gurmant Grewal's Conservative colleagues privately castigated him Wednesday but Stephen Harper publicly defended his MP's controversial tactics in exposing alleged Liberal skulduggery.

Mr. Williams is now a Conservative by the way plus the Liberals have since lowered the debt by 61 billion. http://www.parl.gc.ca/36/1/parlbus/chambus...n223_1700-e.htm Mr. John Williams (St. Albert, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, I cannot help but object to the member's comments welcoming debate on paying down the debt. In 1984 Mr. Mulroney campaigned and indicated that we were $170 billion in debt courtesy of the Liberal Party and this was going to sink us under a whole margin of debt. Mr. Mulroney's government was going to fix this when it took office. From 1984 to 1993 the Mulroney government ran up the debt from $170 billion to approximately $450 billion. The Liberals continued on and ran it up to $580 billion. RESULTS:: Trudeau's share of the debt 170 billion. Mulroney's share: 280 billion. Chretien's share: 130 billion. The Conservative government under Mulroney drove up the debt more than Trudeau did and more than Chretien did! Another reason I do not vote Conservative.