THELIBERAL

RE::The poll is hardly scientific. What poll is when it goes against your beliefs!

You're poll is flawed because Britain is proof private healthcare along side public healthcare does not shorten wait times! If you did some research you'd be very surprised to find the wait times in Britain are actually longer than ours. Quebec has the most private clinics in Canada and the guy that launched the protest saying our system violated the charter was from where? Quebec! Apparently the private clinics in Quebec didn't shorten the wait times enough to suit him. HELLO!!!

I think you read into my post things that were not there!!! I did not say one word about there being anything wrong with Harper spending time with his son! I think it is great he is spending time with his son. It would even be greater if he would take his son to the parade if just for an hour to show him there are people that are different than his father. Then let the kid decide in later life if he wants to be a bigot like his father and treat people different because of it. Or he just might not become a bigot and be more accepting of people and not condemn them just because they have different views!! HELLO! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Stephen Harper's son is 7 years old. Would you start giving your child education about gey sex at age 7? HELLO???!!! Another Liberal governement policy is born....I can see it now <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sure would if it helped stop him being a bigot!!!!

Did any of you Conservatives notice the outcome of the poll here? 61% in favor of gay marriage! I just don't see the argument against it! Sorry but this will have absolutely no effect on my marriage IF IT did then my views would probably change! It is interesting I have to admit to watch the bigots try in vain to cover up their bigotry over this issue! It just the definition that bothers them????? Yeah right!

Nice try. Only a lefty would get angry at a father for hanging with his son instead of going to a parade. I think you read into my post things that were not there!!! I did not say one word about there being anything wrong with Harper spending time with his son! I think it is great he is spending time with his son. It would even be greater if he would take his son to the parade if just for an hour to show him there are people that are different than his father. Then let the kid decide in later life if he wants to be a bigot like his father and treat people different because of it. Or he just might not become a bigot and be more accepting of people and not condemn them just because they have different views!! HELLO!

RE:: Compared to the taxes I paid when I worked in the US, I pay far more in taxes here. And what did you pay for healthcare insurance in the U.S.A.? And why are you still here if things were SO MUCH better in the U.S.A.?

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2005/...1104524-cp.html Harper took his nine-year-old son Ben to the amusement park on the island following the opening ceremony. The two then had plans to spend the rest of the afternoon at the Hockey Hall of Fame. The Conservative leader will remain in the Toronto area Sunday but said he will be spending time with his son rather than attend Toronto's world-renowned gay pride parade - where the prospect of a national law legalizing same-sex marriage is sure to figure in the celebrations. Asked if he was surprised Harper wouldn't make the parade, Layton was tight-lipped. "We each make our choices," he said. HINT: I can think of what Jack should have said! HERE YOU FILL IN THE BLANK! Layton:: " Yes but he's a "" #*#*$ "" and I'm not!!!

RE::Yeah, it should be called marriage because that's what it is. Persecuting gays, whether it be curtailing actual rights or in name only is still persecution, it perpetuates discrimination. If we deny gays the right to call their unions marriage the discrimination will be continued and given an oppurtunity to grow rather than being eliminated. All people are of equal importance, and should have equality, true EQUALITY, not some half-assed Conservative placating tactic. Ya got that right. There is no other way to put it you have stated the very plain truth. Some bigots are the last to realize the fact they are bigots. Hint::: FOR THE BIGOTS HERE:::A good friend who is gay would not call his close friend a bigot to his face for fear of ending the relationship. I'm not your friend so I can be more honest with you. You're bigots if you think gays should not be allowed to call their unions marraige but you can!

Tax freedom day report by the Conservative think tank the Fraser Institute called preposterously exaggerated!!!!! So what's friggen new!!!! EVERYTHING THE CONSERVATIVES RANT ABOUT IS WAY OVERBLOWN!!! http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2005/06...1103235-cp.html If the institute based its calculations on the average family's total income, Tax Freedom Day would have fallen on April 30 last year - 58 days earlier than the June 28 date calculated by the institute in 2004. "The institute's calculations are preposterously exaggerated," says Brooks, who teaches tax law and policy at Osgoode Hall Law School in Toronto.

RE::Sorry this year they signed a 10 year $40billion deal. This will run health care in the country for 2 days a year. Hardly and improvement. 40 BILLION will only run healthcare for 2 days a year? Wonderful Conservative logic there willy!!!

QUESTION: Can you not see just how bias Lowell Green is toward the Conservatives? Not one person who has replied to this thread has been able to give me one radio talk show host who bashes the Conservatives like Lowell Green and his ilk bash the Liberals. So tell me! Where do you all get the B.S. idea the media is bias toward the Liberals!! Looks like your views don't include talk radio in this country EH?

Just a wonderful post kimmy more of it devoted to a personal attack against me than you addressing the facts. Typical of a lot of Conservative types. Of course most of what you said was not backed up with any proof which is also typical of a Conservative. Just your personal views! The Liberals bought more medical equipment in the last decade (including MRI's) than the Conservatives did during the 9 years Mulroney was in power!!! Of course you chose to devalue this fact. BTW how much has our population increased since we kicked Mulroney out? This could explain some of the reason for our wait times. Wait times that are better than Britain's who happen to have a 2 tier system. I think you like most Conservative supporters need to do some research!

I have to laugh when I hear people touting 2 tier healthcare and supporting insurance driven healthcare as the only second option for us! Seems a lot of people in Canada have had very little experience dealing with insurance companies. Here's a dose of truth for you to read about insurance companies. DO IT! http://www.badfaithinsurance.org/ HEADLINE Page 1: Authoritative Insurance Industry "White Paper" Provides Substantiated Documentation, Conclusive Evidence And Undeniable And Irrefutable Proof That Large Claims Are Not Being Paid. It Further Supports FBIC Bad Faith Insurance Data And That The Unlawful Non-Payment Of Legitimate Claims, Mass Denials Of Coverage, And The Widespread Use Of Related Breach of Contract and Bad Faith Insurance Claims Practices Is More The Norm If Not Standard Operating Procedure By Many Of Our Country's Largest Insurers. The Authoritative "White Paper" Stands On Its Own As An Indictment .... CONCLUSION: Insurance driven private for profit healthcare clinics is not the answer to fix our healthcare system.

The biggest B.S. myth in this country is the B.S. myth the media is bias toward the Liberals. There are several radio stations across the country that have obvious bias Conservative talk show hosts. These talk show hosts go on air on a daily basis and nit pick and trash the Liberals! Here are some of the more obvious! Lowell Green C.F.R.A. Ottawa 9 til noon every weekday! Tommy Shnurmacker C.J.A.D. Montreal same time slot! Although I've never heard his show I hear Dave Rutherford in Calgary is another Liberal basher! Here is a challange for you! Name me one radio station with a talk show that trashes the Conservatives on a daily basis like the above Liberal bashing shows I've mentioned! Anybody else know of any other radio talk shows that are into Liberal bashing? Post them hear so I can have a listen on the internet! Oh by the way C.F.R.A. has other Liberal bashers besides Lowell Green. Early morning Steve Madely, afternoon Mike Harris! You can listen via the internet IF YOU DOUBT my accusations!!!

RE::Seriously, THELIBERAL, are you so stupid as to believe this figure you keep repeating is of any merit, or are you simply attempting to bait people? Well the fact is our ownership of MRI machines has increased 400% since the Liberals took over power in 1993. Don't try to use the cop out MRI were new tech. We had 30 of them so they were on the market! Some people have a great deal of trouble dealing with the truth and the facts! But hey!!! To be Conservative is to deny the Liberals have done anything in over 10 years! That is just typical Conservative thinking!

You raised a very good question. It is a mistery why Canadians won't throw their support behind the N.D.P.! I like some of their ideas. One that I really like is their idea of guaranteeing private pensions. I think this is a wonderful idea. A man works all his life pays into a pension only to find out just before he retires that the company he works for wasn't holding up their part of the deal and his pension was spent to keep the company afloat. Just ask the Stelco workers about this. It does happen and on a regular basis! The N.D.P. has never been elected federally so you cannot accuse them of mis-handling tax payers money! I don't understand why more people won't support the N.D.P.! I don't support them because I'm afraid the Conservatives would sneak in the back door! I vote to keep this bunch of Conservatives out. If the so called merger had not happened I'd probably consider voting N.D.P.!

RE::I'm curious. Are you a volunteer or do you get paid to post this dull-witted propaganda? No I just support the Liberals over the alternative. I could ask you the same question because of YOUR Conservative ranting but I'll be a gentleman and not bother!

This guy has been on the scene for how long now and the Conservatives think Canadians don't really know the man? Isn't that stating they think Canadians are stupid? I've never seen so many idiots occupying the opposition seats in our parliament! HINT: The truth is Harper is a dud. Why are Conservatives so slow in realizing this fact? Could you just imagine this bunch running the country and trying to make decisions! It took them how long to figure out they had to do a ""selling job"" on Harper? Amasing it really is amasing!

No i'm not! I'm saying 2 tier healthcare is not the answer especially when that 2nd tier is going to be insurance driven healthcare! There are numerious indications that private healthcare does not lessen wait times. This challenge about the charter was more about a guy having to wait for a hip re-placement than it was about ""choices"" for healthcare! HINT: If he hadn't had to wait he would have never launched his complaint! Quebec as a matter of fact has the most private healthcare clinics so if private clinics shorten wait times why was this guy (HINT who was living in Quebec) complaining! HELLO!

No all of that is not neccessary Dan just give them a little credit for buying more MRI Machines! Fact is since they came into power our ownership of MRI Machines in this country has risen by 400%! That is a fact!

No sleazier that Paul Martin buying her vote and trying to buy Inky Mark's vote and the Grewal's vote. No sleazier than giving tax dollars to Lieberal friendly companies. The Lieberals wrote the book on sleaze, making your complaints about the conservatives, at best Hipocritical. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dan nobody bought any votes from anybody! You need to deal with the facts. Liberal friendly companies? Do you have proof they were Liberal friendly? What made them Liberal friendly?

All praise the beatific munificence of the Holy Liberal Party!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well Dan the truth is the Liberals have upped our ownership of MRI machines in the country by 400% since they won that election in 93?

I do believe shakeyhands got the point. Why are the rest confused? Hey shakeyhands do you sometimes feel you've stumbled into a Conservative caucus meeting!?

RE::In 1993, MRIs were still an emerging technology, Yes indeed an emerging technology!!!!! ONLY 30 MACHINES EMERGED DURING THE MULRONEY YEARS!!!!

RE::Dredging up facts that barely support your arguments will not convince anyone but you. Barely support? They do support my arguments that IS why I post them. I've noticed the Conservative crowd here very rarely backs up their rants with facts or a source for their info. Anybody who backs an insurance driven healthcare system must have had very little dealings with insurance companys!