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Blah blah blah...go argue with your dog!

I think a small majority of Canadians think it should be allowed. I also don't think laws should be driven by superstiuous moralistic concerns. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Everyone listen to sweal, throw your morals out the window and lets get this gay marriage law passed! Brilliant sweal!! And you say I have idiotic posts.

Is your reason for being here also to post idiotic and pointless insults? Well mission accomplished then, so now you can go your way. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Every insult has a point Sweal! So kiss my ass! Does anyone know what the hell a sweal is? Also, newbie where in the hell do you get the idea I was cutting you up? I have yet to say anything bad about the programs to support the disabled or the disabled in general. SO shame on you for your comments!! If you have a problem with me because of my pro Conservative comments, well then maybe we have grounds to discuss, otherwise none of this was directed your way. BTW newbie, one of my close friends in a disabled and confined to a wheelchair, yet he is a salesman for a bunch of oilfield companies and he does extremely well! Not that I am knocking you for not being in the workforce. What sets me off is able bodied people who don't WANT to work, when they are desperate for workers here in Alberta. And yes Digby, come on out, we'll find you a job!

Nope at home. Need the address?

It is not hard to tell who the Liberals & NDP are. They are the ones who only post during the day. They use work time to post on these forums instead of working. That is why we are short on Conservatives on these forums. Most of the Conservatives are working. My reason for being here is that I am self employed and in the oilfield and right now it is slow in the oilfield.

I'm sorry, this is an intelligent conversation hence you are out of P L A C E. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah OK Winter....you are the man! My apologies, please tell me what topics I can post on. Thank you for your patience with me, I am at your mercy sir!

Don't you think it is the next thing to face Canadians? And if it does why is their case so apples to oranges? As I already noted, marriage is a state sanction for a PAiR-bond. Homosexual couples wanted l access to a state sanctioned system which they were denied because of sex discrimnation. Polygamists are ot being denied something otherwise availale on discriminatory grounds. Rather, the relationship which they establish does not meet the state's objectives. Or put another way, the states ojectives for marriage can be met by homosexual couples, but (depending on the objective) not by groups of multiple persons. Society decides, through our institutions. I am merely telling you what I think that decision will be. If it were up to me to decide, i'D have civil unions for everyne and no government dfinition of 'marriage' at all <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The problem I see with society deciding is, we are going to let our MP's decide this and as of last week they were basically deadlocked. Also, if it is such and important matter, why not let it be a free vote open to the public? Don't you think the majority of Canadians think it is morally wrong?? Isn't that a democracy? When we voted in our MP's we never discussed them voting on a same sex marriage issue for us or is that not a right? These same MP's that have voted for SSM bill, are presenting petitions from their constituents against SSM. How must their constituents feel that their rep is voting against their wishes?? Chuck Cadman will let you believe he voted for his constituents, what about the rest?

Ok, Did you hear that when Pope John Paul was dying he called for Paul Martin & Jean Cretien to come be with him as he died? Apparently, he felt so Christ like he wanted to die between 2 thieves! A joke similar to this was in the Edmonton sun I think, my neighbor told it to me last night!

First, all of our social institutions and laws regarding marriage are set up to deal with two people. It is not a big deal to extend these laws to include gays. Extending them to cover polgamy is not trivial (i.e. how would divorce work). Second, polygamy is generally a bad deal for the woman and only exists in societies where the rights of women are supressed. Futhermore, these societies have to isolate and expel young men in order to make the polygamous math work out (in old times they would just be killed). In short, it would be nearly impossible for anyone to make the case that the benefits to allowing polygamy out weigh the social harms. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Lots of these women do not feel suppressed. Why can't we change the laws on marriage to more than 2 people, if we intend to change it for gays anyway??? Ok then the case is the social harm it does? Does gays & lesbians cause any social harm towards the public? Maybe hindering people's religious beliefs or changing the school curriculum to include gay sex studies??? Do you want your children learning how to preform anal sex? with pictures and such? If a school was to include gay sex ed. you would need to explain this. If this isn't proper then why??? Am I the only one who sees a problem with this?

Me! The problem with that is that polygamy is not an obvious step from SSMarriage at all. Marriage is a state sanction for one individual to pair with one other individual. Polygamy is an apples to oranges situation. SSM is a red apples/green apples situation. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Don't you think it is the next thing to face Canadians? And if it does why is their case so apples to oranges? Who are you to decide? I see the similarity in all of it. It is not a traditional defintion of marriage, but it is a practised thing just like gay marriage. Where is that line you draw? I would love to know, so that I don't cross it!!!

You must make a distinction between a devote Christian and a Christian fundamentalist. Most devote Christians I know have come to terms with the inherent contradiction between believing in a faith that says any non-Christian will be rejected by God in the afterlife and accepting that there many ethical and moral people who will never be Christian and certainly deserve to be accepted by God in the afterlife. Christian fundamentalists are people that don't understand or accept that it is possible to live an ethical and moral life without being 'saved by Jesus'. When these people run for office they frequently try to use the power of the state to suppress the rights of people who do not believe in Christianity by pushing their own very narrow view of theology. By advocating laws rooted in Christian dogma, these Christians undermine the inclusive multi-ethnic society that many Canadians are proud of. These fundamentalists are joining the CPC today and these are the people the mainstream Canadians are really afraid of. However, I do agree that not all Christian CPC candidates are fundamentalists. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wanna know what fundament stands for? fundament: the fleshy part of the human body that you sit on; "he deserves a good kick in the butt"; "are you going to sit on your fanny and do nothing?" [syn: buttocks, nates, arse, butt, backside, bum, buns, can, hindquarters, hind end, keister, posterior, prat, rear, rear end, rump, stern, seat, tail, tail end, tooshie, tush, bottom, behind, derriere, fanny, ass]

Hey willy, I think the Conservatives have more like 2.5 million members. When I finally got my membership my number was over 2.5million.

He was right on the spelling.... thanks Here is a few websites for those of you pro-gay marriage people. http://www.polygamy.com/ http://www.truthbearer.org/ http://www.pro-polygamy.com/ http://coohmp.homestead.com/POLYGAMY.html Although I am against it, like I am against gay marriage, there are some of you who don't realize that this si the next obvious step. Who here finds a problem with this? If you do and are pro gay marriage, please explain why one is better than the other! thanks

All I have ever said about education was: I have as much education as the next person, not a doctorate or anything. I can also assure you, I am not the first person on here to misspell a word. You did get the idea I was shooting for though!

What the hell is your point? That you have written a lot of nonsense. In the first case you say Albertans don't look down on others, then you proceed to detail a lot of looking down on others. In the second case you say you don't have anything against people, but you just use them as the butt of your grotesque sense of 'humor'. In the third case, you claim a level of education belied by typing 'buligamy'. In the final instance you insist that the rich and the poor walk equally tall, and so do you, but you repeatedly use terms such as 'lower oneself' regarding doing labor. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I never claimed to be an author or a scholar by no means. If they are not in perfect sentence structure, then I apologize. How do you spell buligamy? Hey Sweal sorry I don't meet your writing expectations!!

Or how about this pair: Or this one: Or this: <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What the hell is your point? How do they contradict each other? Taking shit out of context will get you nowhere!

Kimmy, any day you want a battle of wits with me, I will welcome it. I saw what he was doing, and I want him to know that I don't find it funny. It is a sin to even joke about that to puff up a bunch of crooks. I do see that is what most of these lefties think about rightwingers, but why show them, they have their noses too far in the air to realize it. He also made a personal dig towards me and I don't appreciate that. I don't feel I hold back the Conservatives, I feel I am one that would work for the good of the party, even though my humor may offend some. So don't try to insult me for speaking my mind, and don't EVER talk down to me or anyone. If you do it makes you no better than them! Maybe you are one of THEM. Carpet muncher?

Way to shit on your own, moron. Willy's an ardent Conservative supporter. Here's a dictionary defintion you could use: Dumbass. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He is not one of mine. If he is a Conservative, he is a Stronach Conservative and we don't need that kind anyway. I know what satire is dickhead, I don't think shit like that qualifies as satire, it is an insult to our intelligence!!

You forgot to mention the homosexuals. It usually comes down to the homosexuals with your kind. Actually, that's exactly what people in Alberta have done. They've been lulled into a stupor by self-congratulatory rhetoric and swelling ol and gas revenues and have exchanged a democratic, representative and accountable government for a arrogant, out of touch and power-hungry regime, all for the promise of continued prosperity. I got news for you, sunshine: one day the god times will end, the oil will run out or the market will tank. Maybe then Albertans wil step back, survey their decaying streets and schools, their overcrowded hospitals and realize that the Alberta Advantage was all about short term gain. It says a lot about your attitude that the worst insult you can come up with is welfare recipient. But that's typical of your ilk, who fancy themselves tough and indpendent types, even as you fawn and cringe at the feet of your betters. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't fancy myself as anything Black, fancying is for stool packers! I consider myself and independant person, yes. I moved to Alberta because I grew up in the fishery that the Liberal gov't allowed to get ruined. I was not like what Stan Rogers calls "The Idiot". I wanted to work and not take the gov't dole. So I moved to Alberta where I could work & not draw welfare. And guess what? There is work here and people appreciate the ability of ambitious people to work! Unlike some, who instead will wait for the gov't to wipe their sorry ass for them and not go look for a job. The Alberta advantage is definitely the oil & gas and it is a non-renewable resource, but it is in huge demand and has to be respected as such and not taken for granted. This may be about short term gain, but I have never implied that Albertans think we are better than anyone else. What pisses most of us off is the lazy sacks of shit that will not get out of their own way to find work when work in Alberta is abundant and not descriminate of race, creed or color. The only demand is that a person be ambitious and willing to work. The problem with today's people is that they are taught by the Liberals & NDP that they shouldn't work, rather get in a union and let someone else do the work for them. I was told by a guy on a rig last year that according to WCB or OH&S that he does not have to lift anything heavier than 30lbs!!! Needless to say, he did not last, if he was lucky he got out of Alberta without someone kicking his ass. You goddamn left wingers think that we need regulations to keep people from working too hard. What a joke! I can see if the work is wrecking your body, but 30lbs, give me a break. When did lifting 30lbs ever hurt anyone? Unless we are talking about you blackdog and your dishpan hands, god forbid they get dirty! I make jokes and call people fags & stool packers, but in truth I have nothing against homosexuals or minority groups if they will lower themselves to work along side of everyone else. What I don't like is self-righteous pricks who think they are above actual labour. I am as educated as the next guy and still I am willing to do labor work when it is necessary. I am not above any job if it means feeding my family. So many of the left wing crowd will not lower themselves, they expect the gov't to do it for them! I do not think that homosexuals deserve the right to marriage, but that is my personal belief & support for the traditional definition of marriage. Some may call this view old school and that I am not objective, but where will it end?? What happens when Golden, BC demands the gov't recognize buligamy? Should a man have the right to marry more than one woman? Who are we to say? Or some group in northern Ontario decides they want the right for siblings to marry. It never ends! The gov't has recognized common-law marriage for any group and that is enough. It is walking the road to destruction in my opinion. "You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything" Lastly, Blackdog, I can guarantee that I will never "cringe at the feet" of anyone and I consider noone to be my "better". If you think that you are better than me, you are sadly mistaken. I like to think we are all equal! That is the beauty of Alberta, rich or poor, we treat everyone the same, with what you may call our "redneck ways". One thing is for sure, if Albertans are rednecks, they are damn proud of it!!!

Willy: Knuckle dragging stool pusher! Right Winger: Intelligent alternative to Liberal Corruption Liberal: All things dishonest & corrupt and generally brainwashed into thinking they are right. Likes taking the money of old people and supporting the molestors of small children & sending them to federally supported health spas(aka: whitecollar jail) Conservative: The only alternative to corrupt socialist(communist) politicians. The savior of the Canadian economy & outside opinions of Canada. NDP: Treehugging communists with very selfish intentions of propping up themselves under the false pretenses of saving the environment. Savior of all who are lazy & incompetent. Strong supporters of welfare recipients & their lack of interest in earning money or wiping their own ass! The one thing worse than a Liberal! Green Party: Happy-go-lucky stoners.

Perhaps the Liberals and Conservatives will call a truce: The Liberals will stop exaggerating the Conservatives hidden agenda and the Conservatives will stop exaggerating the Liberal corruption problems. Maybe the Pope will convert to Islam as well.... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How is it possible to exaggerate the level of corruption from the Liberals? Does anyone have the name of Saddam Hussein's accountant? Spoken like a true Liberal Sparhawk! Open your eyes dude!

Economic Left/Right: 1.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.54 Goddamn there are lots of Liberal & NDP on this forum IMR! Looks like we are preaching to the deaf!! On the other one: North West Up near Drew Carey, but not a surprise!

I think we should let these Liberals argue amongst themselves! Sparhawk, most everything you write, save for the last couple of posts, smells to me so much like BC NDP bullshit! That is why Campbell is having such a battle, These idiot NDP's in BC screwed the hell out of BC's economy, then they were defeated! Their whole platform for this past election, was the state of the economy and they were the ones who fuked it up in the beginning! Your people must have smoked way too much BC skunk back in the day! So, back off the pot and open your eyes tunnel vision boy! The world cannot afford to sit back and indulge the massive social programs your people want. Let's get this economy going! Also, if the majority of Canadians want gay marriage, so be it! I am willing to bet that you and your fudge-packing buddies are greatly outnumbered!

That would guarantee the further marginalization of the Cons. To which I say: go to it! 2004 election results: LIB 29.05% NDP 9.79% GRN 2.75% Total: 41.49 Right. Whereas in Alberta, if you don't support the PCs you're screwed. We live in a one-party state which is run by rich Calgary oil execs, American insuransce companies and their lackeys in government who play off the phantom of western alienation to dominate people here in ways the federal Liberals could only dream of. Maybe its time you opened your eyes and cleaned up your own backyard before bitching about the feds. For a bunch of tough, independant minded folks, you Alberta cons sure are a bunch of crybabies. Your statement above is a perfect example of vacuous, unsupported b.s. playing on latent prejudices and typically Albertan "woe is me" paranoia. You liv ein a country run by rich white men, in a province run by rich white men for other rich white men. If you're feeling put upon, mabe you should ask the rich white men why they are screwing you over. proof? People like you are the reason people don't trust the Conservatives. they see you and assume all the Cons are liars. Uh..Alberta is a uniform political state. So which is it you guys? the stupid and ignorant? Or the rich elite? I do find the modern working classes' tendancy to vote for the party least likely to represent their interests to be very intriguing. The working class tends to be to focussed on getting buy and thus don't have the education or time to devote to political analysis and are thus more likely to desire simple solutions to complex problems and are more succeptiable to the folksy, "down home" bromides favoured by right wing elitists such as Ralph Klein. As evidenced by this thread, they are also more likely to look for scapegoats for the inevitable failure of their political choices, be they "immigrants" "easterners" or "the well-off, the wine and cheese eating, gucci loving double income BMW drivers". No one likes admitting their wrong and Albertans seem especially prone to such thickheadedness, given their willingness to buy into the homegrown propaganda generated by the Klein Tories. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Let me guess Blackdog, you were an alterboy in Newfoundland in the 60's in a Catholic church and the priest fancied you? He also must have told you he voted Conservative at one time?? When he actually was a hardcore NDP!!! As far as right wing elitists go, Ralphy does a good job for Albertans, whether they are Liberal, NDP, Green or PC's. As far as homegrown propaganda, I was born and raised in Nova Scotia, spent a few years in Toronto, and moved to Alberta in the late 90's, so for you to tell me I am brainwashed by being born here, you're way off base. Alberta is the last true frontier, where a man can work and not be kept from a job, because he is not a woman, frenchman, or minority! It offers opportunities for people to get ahead without buying into a union frame of mind. Where you don't have to sell your soul for the promise of financial security!! Maybe Martin could call Klein and see how to run a country?? Or just let Harper in and let him do it and we would all be better off!! Hey Blackdog, your flag on your mailbox is up, your welfare cheque must be in, go get it!

Hey bigdude, I can trace my family roots in Canada back to the early 1700's, what about you? So, if you expect me to leave Canada, you're on crack! For me to "whine" about the issues that we face in Canada is my goddamn given right! My family was here before most of these wingnuts causing us all the grief! If my ancestors had have been bigger bigots and wiped out these people, like the newfies & the beothuks, we wouldn't be having these discussions!!! In this day and age, I'm not allowed to say stuff like that, because it makes me a bigot, but how can I not be a bigot to see how the white, english, straight male has been on the shitty end of every negotiation! The Liberal & NDP are here to ensure that it will always be this way from now on! So if anyone is leaving this country, it will be these artsy fartsy, tree-huggin', gay-lovin' left wing socialist pricks! With our redneck ways, we may have to take it back to the old days and start wiping all of you out. I believe the Yugoslavians call it "ethnic cleansing"! Maybe that would be an effective way of handling these situations?? What do you think? Does it seem a little extreme?