RightWinger

Wot NC said: If only Bev Dejarlais would follow suit. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Maybe this is a sign of things to come. Maybe the Liberals are falling apart over the same topic most of you say has little value. His constituents are probably quite happy as many other ridings would be if the MP's listened to their constituents and voted against gay marriage, but then again this is not a democracy. Good to see there are a few MP's left in the Liberal party with some morals. Hope to see more!! RW

Hey Willy, never apoligize for me! If my ways have made you waiver in your support for the Conservatives, then you are weak. If you ever learn something from most of these lefties here, you are also weak in your political view and should probably vote Liberal! Instead of backing me up for my defense of right wing policies, you shudder and turn tail & run, it's quite pathetic really!

With the latest information, I would say that there is nothing to SHOW they have acted at all dishonourably. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, but if there were full colour video of Martin stuffing taxpayers money into Grewals pockets and promising him millions more you'd still shake your head and say it proves nothing. I don't think any amount of evidence of any kind of crime will ever convince you that the Liberals have done wrong. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> LOL Argus, You hit the nail on the head there. Damn Grewal, set our Liberals Free! I don't believe the Liberals would ever do "anything" dishonourable. The have proved themselves time and time again!

The only Christian Fundamentalist party that I know of is the Christian Heritage Party. I don't see anyone forcing religion down any one's throat. Last I heard we live in a democracy and all people have a right to a voice and a opinion. Or am I getting a sense here that some people think christians shouldn't have opinons or a vote? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Scrib, most of these wingnuts here have a left wing tendency, so no, Christians are not allowed a vote, opinion or voice in this forum! Now if you have ever leaned towards anything homosexual or support giving money to people who don't want to work(not because they are unable), then by all means you have a voice, opinion & vote on these forums. Otherwise, you are a rascist, bigot, right wing, fascist who will be mauled to death here! LOL RW

Wrong question: Should be: Should gov't of Canada use the notwithstanding clause to over turn the court judgements in 7 provinces and 2 terriories and take rights aways from law abiding Canadian citizens? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> AH... you must have been indoctrined in Laytonism...aka Socialist!! Hail Jack Layton! (stand at attention and raise right hand out in front of you) LOL

One solution I haven't seen is to simply drop the federal same-sex marriage legislation (which may happen if it is not passed before an election). Because the other parties see it as a club to beat the Conservatives with. Unfortunately, the Conservatives have played right into their hands and ended up championing a issue which most people don't care about but simply reinforces the image of the CPC as a bunch of far right wing social conservatives. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Lets agree to disagree on this one, because it seems we are pissing up a rope. I like the idea of making it Provincial and letting each province decide. That would settle down Alberta, because it would never be legal here. Unless these religious, bigot, right wing, klan members(As some would paint us!!) in Alberta had a sudden change of heart. I would like to use this new clear language referendum idea from Stephen Harper and let Canadians decide. Here is how the question should be posed: Do you think Canada's marriage laws should be changed to allow same sex couples to be married? Yes or No Simple and easy! If it gets more than 50% vote for Yes, then make it law!!! Also, if it passed and takeanumber & sweal are able to be wed(assuming they are both of the "male" persuasion), I promise here and now to be the ringbearer or an usher for this union and I will give it my blessing!!! If the No vote gets more than 50%, then takeanumber & sweal have to spend a week working oil rigs in Alberta!! Sounds like a plan to me!!! And if you two(TTS&takeanumber) can't find the humor in this, you need to lighten up!! RW

Who the heckare you to decide who's "truly Canadian" enough? I thought defining that was Molsons' job... Seriously though: this ain't cool. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them any less a citizen. Attack the argument on its own merits, don't attack the person holding the opiinion. Inclusiveness and diversity are Canadian values. Paradoxially, defining who is and who isn't Canadian is very unCanadian. And I'd hate to quibble, but Canadians don't have sole ownership of the secular humanist ideal of church and state separation. That's old school Elightenment shit. False dichotomy. "Render unto Ceaser etc etc." Why do you hate gays so much? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't hate gays! I say to each their own, but when our laws need to change to support a small minority of people, then I say it's wrong. Show me the stats that say gay people are in the majority. It is offensive to me that they feel the need to be married, they have the same rights now anyway. Why does Canada have to change the marriage law to uphold how many people? Not that many! It opens pandora's box.

Agreed Melanie. And yes my wife & daughter are doing great! We did have one hell of a good doctor and support crew in the L&D. That doctor retired from his practice, which is too bad. It just saddens me to see how poorly something can run even after they win their arbitration. I have no faith in the current system. It was truly pityful while she was in the hospital, I literally did everything for her except give her meds and insert the IV's, which I wish I could have because the of newbie nurses they sent us to put in the IV's. It makes me sick.

Rich Canadians already have more health care than ordinary Canadians. The thing you people on the left seem incapable of understanding is that the public health care system is neither of any use nor an impediment to them getting instant treatment for any imagined illness. They always have, still do, and always will get better treatment here than ordinary Canadians. That is why the likes of Chretien, Martin - or Stronach, don't care if the public health care system rots away. They and their families and friends are all rich enough to not care. It's almost like there are masses of idiotic little people out there envious of the better lives the rich lead, and determined to somehow teach them a lesson by denying them better health care treatment. I can see them now, waiting ten hours in line to see a doctor, but grimly satisfied that however miserable the system is, it forces rich people have to wait the same ten hours. Except, of course, they don't. Never have. Never will. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Here here!! Argus, I highly doubt that Jack Layton has waited in line for healthcare either, even as strong an advocate he is for more! In fact, not too many politicians have to wait in line for healthcare. Our healthcare system is in the shitter for sure and although they all talk about it, none of them have to deal with it. Here in Alberta we have the highest paid nurses in Canada and we still have shitty service and long lines. I think that is why the two tier system was talked about. I know many will say it serves only the rich, but what it does it shortens the lines for everyone. I am not defending a two tier system, but our healthcare system needs revamping bigtime! As much money as Albertan hospital workers make, we still have very poor service and they want you to complain, because everytime you do, they get a raise. It is true corruption and will never get better unless something is done to our unions! My wife was hospitalized last year for what turned out to be a ruptured appendix while 3 months pregnant. For two weeks, I had to try to maintain a job and care for her in the hospital. She could not walk herself to the bathroom and not one nurse would lift a hand to help. I helped with everything and I definitely was not getting paid by the nurses union $40+ an hour!! I was so pissed off at the treatment that our tax dollars are supposed to provide and she was left to suffer. I have no respect for the nurses union after that experience and that is why I want a change in government or at least a change in our healthcare. I will operate on myself or go to the states for treatment, but these fucks in Canadian hospitals will never have to worry about me in their waiting line. Pure corruption!!! RW

Beating minorities (Jews, Sikhs, homosexuals, women with unwanted fetus') with your minority religion (every religion in Canada is in the minority, since I believe that Catholic has fallen below 50%) is un-Canadian. Go ahead and deny it. Say that forcing religious based policies is Canadian, and is a Canadian value. Go for it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You'd rather have homsexuality rammed up your ass than religion down you throat is what I gather! Your choice, grab some lube then! RW

I assumed no such thing and you have no proof that I did. Moreover RightWinger, based on what you've writen on these forums, you're not much of a Canadian yourself. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I am a Canadian, that would be happy to see "your kind" abolished, to be honest! Sadly, we can't do that kind of thing anymore, so we will just have to figure out how to live in the same country.(Hopefully under a Conservative gov't) I am certain that I will not be frequenting any gay bars in the near future, so that should accomplish keeping me & you seperate!! All the work here in Alberta should be deterent enough to keep you away. RW

So, everybody, constitutes a minority???? That sentence is so full of contradictions I don't know where to start. Next question.... who made you the authority on what a "Canadian" is. I could not find it in the dictionary! A Canadian would be someone with citizenship in Canada seem to me!

We sure do have public transit, and I lived on Bathurst & Finch for 2 years and the TTC was my only means of transport. We sure do enjoy paying for it out here though. And sponsoring any "gay pride" event is what we Albertans live for!! SMFD...LOL RW

I think this warrants an apology. Or is rascism okay if you don't agree with someone's position? I would prefer as a general practice if we would avoid careless accusations of racism. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey Sweal he is telling Ramesh that he has no idea what it means to be Canadian!!! In other words, he is assuming by his name that he is not a Canadian. Or wants to assimilate him, I guess??? This awfuly sounds racist to me!!! This is a guy that will call all Conservative racists yet will use Ramesh as if he were an refugee and not a Canadian. Sounds like the double standard to me! RW

Harper has 2 things he could do with Grewal, Boot him from the Conservatives or defend him. He chose to defend him, giving him the benefit of the doubt. Apparently he told Harper about the talks before the confidence vote. Nobody is proud of this in the Conservative party and I think Grewal realizes how bad it makes politicians look. I doubt that Harper put him up to it, but if he did, it shows very poor taste on his part. It also shows what the Liberals were willing to do to STAY in power. If Martin offered him anything, he should be charged and I think that both Grewal Dosanjh should step down until the matter is solved, if in fact Grewal deleted some of the tape to protect his true intentions of defecting.