PM Harper: Friend and protector of the Jews!

[Mr.Canada]

It is obvious that PM Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party in general are great friends and all and sometimes great protectors of the Jewish people. He is a friend they can depend on to back them up.

The left is always comdemning the Jews by condemning Israel. The elft doesn't merely criticize Isral as it often suggests but instead outright wishes it didn't exist at all. I guess they want Jews to go back to the days when they were second class dhimmi's in their own country. Ver ySad.

The Liberals are sometimes guilty of this as well. The proportions are lower then on the left but it is still present. Ignatieff sometimes tries to criticize Israel but has so far retreated from that. Does he harbour similar feelings to that of the left? We'll have to wait and see as he is very careful about not appearing or speaking in public very often as he knows that whenever he speaks his polling number drop.

Why take the chance and gamble? Go with a guy that will protect you and your right to exist.

Last week, York, to its credit, suspended a student who is under investigation for online postings allegedly advocating genocide against Jews. However, York's double standard for pro-and anti-Israel groups mocks the twin concepts of freedom of speech and the university as a bastion for the free exchange of ideas. Shame on York for denying the pro-Israel coalition the same rights enjoyed by the hate-mongers. Source

Here again we see the bias in our own Canadian Universities. Anti Semitic groups are allowed to hold rallies but Pro Jewish groups are being banned from holding their own protest. Maybe it's time for Jews to stop enrolling at York as it's obvious they aren't on the side of fairness. B’Nai Brith is going after hate crime charges on the student.

B'nai Brith Canada recorded 1,264 such incidents nationwide in 2009, up 11 per cent from 2008. Some 479 of them took place in the GTA, down 11 per cent from last year. Source

AntiSemitic incidents are on the rise. No wonder as there is no punishment for Anti Semities any more. It seems like it's open season on the Jew and on Israel. This cannot be allowed to continue.

[M.Dancer]

The Jewish Bolshevik revolution hopefully won't happen here in Canada.

[bloodyminded]

M. Dancer is performing genuine public services here today.

Anyway, I suppose tommorrow Mr. Canada will be berating us for being too insulting to the gay community.

[Smallc]

I thought Mr. Canada was getting tired of Stephen Harper?

[CANADIEN]

I will at least grant Mr. Canada one thing. Even pointing out his own hypocrisy will not stop him from trying to convince people that he is a friend of the Jewish people. Too bad for him that nobody is fooled.

[Bonam]

He's right about Harper and the Conservatives though. The current government is the most pro-Israeli that Canada has had recently. In fact, Harper supported (in terms of his public statements) Israel on a few occasions when even the US under Bush did not. It's great to see our PM taking a principled stand on this issue rather than bowing to the political and international anti-Israeli pressure.

Edited March 11, 2010 by Bonam

[bloodyminded]

He's right about Harper and the Conservatives though. The current government is the most pro-Israeli that Canada has had recently. In fact, Harper supported (in terms of his public statements) Israel on a few occasions when even the US under Bush did not. It's great to see our PM taking a principled stand on this issue rather than bowing to the political and international anti-Israeli pressure.

Rarely do governments become pro-any naiton as a "principled stand."

I don't see why Harper and Israel should be the one instance when thinsg are suddenly--magically!--different.

[JB Globe]

Mr. Canada hates Jews, except when the left "hates Jews," then he's our best friend.

Classic stuff - thanks for digging up the quote from this troll.

[Jack Weber]

Mr. Canada hates Jews, except when the left "hates Jews," then he's our best friend.

Classic stuff - thanks for digging up the quote from this troll.

It seems that Mr.Canada has turned from staunch right winger to nutjob crypto-fascist with his Jewish/Bolshevik conspiracy stuff...

Where have I heared the Jewish/Bolshevik global conspiracy stuff before?...Hmmmmmm

Edited March 11, 2010 by Jack Weber

[blueblood]

It seems that Mr.Canada has turned from staunch right winger to nutjob crypto-fascist with his Jewish/Bolshevik conspiracy stuff...

Where have I heared the Jewish/Bolshevik global conspiracy stuff before?...Hmmmmmm

If the right wing was a hockey team, Mr. Canada would have been the first one cut at tryouts.

He's no right winger, he's bat s*** crazy. Ask his position on Walmart and business.

[CANADIEN]

It is obvious that PM Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party in general are great friends and all and sometimes great protectors of the Jewish people. He is a friend they can depend on to back them up.

The left is always comdemning the Jews by condemning Israel. The elft doesn't merely criticize Isral as it often suggests but instead outright wishes it didn't exist at all. I guess they want Jews to go back to the days when they were second class dhimmi's in their own country. Ver ySad.

The Liberals are sometimes guilty of this as well. The proportions are lower then on the left but it is still present. Ignatieff sometimes tries to criticize Israel but has so far retreated from that. Does he harbour similar feelings to that of the left? We'll have to wait and see as he is very careful about not appearing or speaking in public very often as he knows that whenever he speaks his polling number drop.

Why take the chance and gamble? Go with a guy that will protect you and your right to exist.

Here again we see the bias in our own Canadian Universities. Anti Semitic groups are allowed to hold rallies but Pro Jewish groups are being banned from holding their own protest. Maybe it's time for Jews to stop enrolling at York as it's obvious they aren't on the side of fairness. B’Nai Brith is going after hate crime charges on the student.

AntiSemitic incidents are on the rise. No wonder as there is no punishment for Anti Semities any more. It seems like it's open season on the Jew and on Israel. This cannot be allowed to continue.

The link beteen opposition to actions of the State of Israel and anti-Semitism is a weak one at best, but you are certainly free to argue its existence.

And while there is no doubt that the "the state of Israel should not exist" claim is troublesome, others has argued better than me than "The Left" is guilty more or naiveté than hatred towards the Jewish people.

There is no denying though that there is anti0Semites and anti-Semitism in this country. And the anti-Semites need to to be exposed, don't you agree Mr. Canada? I am talking about those who agree with numbers put forward by Holocaust deniers, Those who claim that Jews and arabs killing each others would be a good thing. Those who speak about "Jewish bolshevik revolutions".

Those people too should be exposed as the vile anti-Semites they are, don't you agree, Mr. Canada?

[Jack Weber]

If the right wing was a hockey team, Mr. Canada would have been the first one cut at tryouts.

He's no right winger, he's bat s*** crazy. Ask his position on Walmart and business.

At the risk of Zig Zieglering myself...The only place I ever hear of the "Jewish/Bolshevik global conspiracy" is from Holocaust denying NeoNAZI's...Which is odd considering his incongruent position on Socialism vis a vis NAZI Germany...

I agree...He gets put into the Wacko/Nutjob category at the best of times...

[Mr.Canada]

The link beteen opposition to actions of the State of Israel and anti-Semitism is a weak one at best, but you are certainly free to argue its existence.

And while there is no doubt that the "the state of Israel should not exist" claim is troublesome, others has argued better than me than "The Left" is guilty more or naiveté than hatred towards the Jewish people.

New Anti Semitism:

New antisemitism is the name of the concept that a new form of antisemitism has developed in the late 20th and early 21st centuries, emanating simultaneously from the left, the right, and Islam, and tending to manifest itself as opposition to Zionism and the State of Israel.

The concept generally posits that much of what purports to be criticism of Israel by various individuals and world bodies, is, in fact, tantamount to demonization, and that, together with an alleged international resurgence of attacks on Jews and Jewish symbols, and an increased acceptance of antisemitic beliefs in public discourse, such demonization represents an evolution in the appearance of antisemitic beliefs.Source

Calling for the destruction of Israel is anti Semitism and shouldn't be tolerated but it is for some reason.

Equating Israel to aparthied South Africa is anti Semitism.

Equating Israel to Nazi Germany is anti Semitism.

Muslims don't believe the real Holocaust took place on one hand then claim they are victims of a fake one is antiSemitism.

[ToadBrother]

Calling for the destruction of Israel is anti Semitism and shouldn't be tolerated but it is for some reason.

Equating Israel to aparthied South Africa is anti Semitism.

Equating Israel to Nazi Germany is anti Semitism.

Muslims don't believe the real Holocaust took place on one hand then claim they are victims of a fake one is antiSemitism.

Then explain the comment that MDancer dug up. That ain't crypto-anti-semitism, "Jewish Bolshevik" is a phrase right out of the anti-Semites anti-Communist manual. I mean, that was one of the justifications for anti-Jewish laws and sentiments the Nazis put in place, that the Communists were all Jews and Jew lovers and all slaves to the Jewish Boleshevik revolutionaries.

[Mr.Canada]

Then explain the comment that MDancer dug up. That ain't crypto-anti-semitism, "Jewish Bolshevik" is a phrase right out of the anti-Semites anti-Communist manual. I mean, that was one of the justifications for anti-Jewish laws and sentiments the Nazis put in place, that the Communists were all Jews and Jew lovers and all slaves to the Jewish Boleshevik revolutionaries.

Again don't make this about me, the person, which is what you're trying to do. Attack what I've said right there, in this thread.

Edited March 11, 2010 by Mr.Canada

[Shakeyhands]

Again don't make this about me, the person, which is what you're trying to do. Attack what I've said right there, in this thread.

Hahaha.... Yes... don't put forth what the true feelings of the OP are. This thread is about blowing sunshine up Harpers ass.

[ToadBrother]

Again don't make this about me, the person, which is what you're trying to do. Attack what I've said right there, in this thread.

What I'm doing, and what everyone is doing, is pointing out that there are strong suggestions that you hold anti-Jewish feelings, and thus for you to insist that somehow you should be immune from scrutiny at this moment is ridiculous. If you were a more reasonable and sensible person, I'd probably give you the benefit of the doubt, but because you say so many ridiculous, outrageous and provocative things, for you to suddenly start sniveling because no one buys that you give a damn about Jews and now want all your comments to be ignore, no benefit is extended.

If you want to talk about anti-Semitism, then you first need to explain your own words and sentiments.

[blueblood]

Again don't make this about me, the person, which is what you're trying to do. Attack what I've said right there, in this thread.

We have your hand in the cookie jar that you are a hypocrite. Thus ruining what little credibility you have, which in turn makes your weak arguments completely useless.

[Mr.Canada]

Hahaha.... Yes... don't put forth what the true feelings of the OP are. This thread is about blowing sunshine up Harpers ass.

Structure of the argument

An ad hominem argument has the basic form:

Person 1 makes claim X

There is something objectionable about Person 1

Therefore claim X is false

Source

This is what you people are doing. NOt staying on topic or refusing to stay on topic.

Edited March 11, 2010 by Mr.Canada

[Mr.Canada]

We have your hand in the cookie jar that you are a hypocrite. Thus ruining what little credibility you have, which in turn makes your weak arguments completely useless.

That was over a year ago, I posted as devils advocate and I was suspended three weeks for that. I don't do things like that any more.

[ToadBrother]

This is what you people are doing. NOt staying on topic or refusing to stay on topic.

What we're doing is not letting you get away without explaining your own feelings on Jews. If you don't like it, then I suggest you probably not start topics of this nature. We do not exist simply to amuse you.

[blueblood]

This is what you people are doing. NOt staying on topic or refusing to stay on topic.

But we are on topic, you are only defending the jews when it benefits you. When you call other people anti-semetic we can say pot meet kettle.

[Mr.Canada]

What we're doing is not letting you get away without explaining your own feelings on Jews. If you don't like it, then I suggest you probably not start topics of this nature. We do not exist simply to amuse you.

Listen I am half Jewish so what am I self hating? Plus I posted that over a year ago and I was posting silly things to provoke people and I was suspended three weeks for it. I do not do that anymore. Now no more ad hominem and try to fight my argument above.

[ToadBrother]

But we are on topic, you are only defending the jews when it benefits you. When you call other people anti-semetic we can say pot meet kettle.

It's also important to point out that it isn't ad hominem either. We're not calling Mr. Canada anti-semitic simply to evade his arguments, we're saying his statements on this thread are highly questionable because he has previously said things of an anti-semitic nature. If we were all debating the price of tea in China and someone suddenly said "Mr. Canada, you hate Jews!", that would be an ad hominem attack.

[Mr.Canada]

It's also important to point out that it isn't ad hominem either. We're not calling Mr. Canada anti-semitic simply to evade his arguments, we're saying his statements on this thread are highly questionable because he has previously said things of an anti-semitic nature. If we were all debating the price of tea in China and someone suddenly said "Mr. Canada, you hate Jews!", that would be an ad hominem attack.

Here is a definition of ad hominem, read it.

Structure of the argument

An ad hominem argument has the basic form:

Person 1 makes claim X

There is something objectionable about Person 1

Therefore claim X is false

Source