M.Dancer Posted October 12, 2007 Report Posted October 12, 2007 Probably that of the local FN tribe. Or maybe Canadian. Gaelic. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted October 12, 2007 Report Posted October 12, 2007 And 8% of voters are denied representation altogether. This one of those falseisms that gets trotted out and is a good indicator of the level of civics that most greens or indeed most fringe party supports have. Everyone in Ontario has representation, they are represented by the MMP their riding elected. Instead they whine and complain that the candidate they voted for didn't get elected, so they think they are not represented......really, this sort of thing used to be taught in grade 7...when did they stop teaching civics? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted October 12, 2007 Report Posted October 12, 2007 Does that include Germany in 1933? Pakistan in 2007? Oh boy, a history lesson! I suppose you think Hitler was "elected" chancellor? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Canadian Blue Posted October 12, 2007 Report Posted October 12, 2007 That government Hitler led was actually a coalition government, they required the support of a conservative party in order to become a majority. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
Peter F Posted October 12, 2007 Report Posted October 12, 2007 Gaelic. de Ramzay and Townsend? Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
mikedavid00 Posted October 12, 2007 Report Posted October 12, 2007 This one of those falseisms that gets trotted out and is a good indicator of the level of civics that most greens or indeed most fringe party supports have.Everyone in Ontario has representation, they are represented by the MMP their riding elected. Instead they whine and complain that the candidate they voted for didn't get elected, so they think they are not represented......really, this sort of thing used to be taught in grade 7...when did they stop teaching civics? I agree. If you didn't get enough votes in your riding, you lost. Free vote systems work indeed on social issues like gay marriage etc, but not in a regional land like Canada for every day representation. Quote ---- Charles Anthony banned me for 30 days on April 28 for 'obnoxious libel' when I suggested Jack Layton took part in illegal activities in a message parlor. Claiming a politician took part in illegal activity is not rightful cause for banning and is what is discussed here almost daily in one capacity or another. This was really a brownshirt style censorship from a moderator on mapleleafweb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1oGB-BKdZg---
Riverwind Posted October 12, 2007 Report Posted October 12, 2007 (edited) One thing that gets lost in these discussions about FPTP is that the majority of voters support one of the two parties that benefit from FPTP. One would assume that these voters would be inclined to support the system that benefits their party of choice. Second, only 52% of voters actually showed up to vote on the new system which more or less proves that the low voter turn out problem will not be solved by tinkering with the system - no matter what MMP advocates may claim. Edited October 12, 2007 by Riverwind Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
mikedavid00 Posted October 12, 2007 Report Posted October 12, 2007 One thing that gets lost in these discussions about FPTP is that the majority of voters support one of the two parties that benefit from FPTP. One would assume that these voters would be inclined to support the system that benefits their party of choice.Second, only 52% of voters actually showed up to vote on the new system which more or less proves that the low voter turn out problem will not be solved by tinkering with the system - no matter what MMP advocates may claim. The low voter turnout is human nature. Just llike many, many other laws like paying taxes as a civic duty, you also must vote. Politicians don't want this because each side believes that they are benefiting from people not voting. Quote ---- Charles Anthony banned me for 30 days on April 28 for 'obnoxious libel' when I suggested Jack Layton took part in illegal activities in a message parlor. Claiming a politician took part in illegal activity is not rightful cause for banning and is what is discussed here almost daily in one capacity or another. This was really a brownshirt style censorship from a moderator on mapleleafweb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1oGB-BKdZg---
jbg Posted October 13, 2007 Report Posted October 13, 2007 de Ramzay and Townsend?I thought the aides were speaking Canadian or Esperanto. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted October 13, 2007 Report Posted October 13, 2007 (edited) Politicians don't want this because each side believes that they are benefiting from people not voting.One group that benefits is the Jews. Heck, about 80-90% of Jews vote. Others' non-voting amplifies our interests. That's a state of affairs that does not bother me in the least. Edited October 13, 2007 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
mikedavid00 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Posted October 14, 2007 One group that benefits is the Jews. Heck, about 80-90% of Jews vote. Others' non-voting amplifies our interests. That's a state of affairs that does not bother me in the least. Same with Muslims, Sikh's and Hindu's and other stoneage cultures that are in the millions of our population. There are many here on the forum that truly hate jews. I am not one of them and consider Jews to be brothers and sisters that help build Canada. Quote ---- Charles Anthony banned me for 30 days on April 28 for 'obnoxious libel' when I suggested Jack Layton took part in illegal activities in a message parlor. Claiming a politician took part in illegal activity is not rightful cause for banning and is what is discussed here almost daily in one capacity or another. This was really a brownshirt style censorship from a moderator on mapleleafweb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1oGB-BKdZg---
jbg Posted October 14, 2007 Report Posted October 14, 2007 Same with Muslims, Sikh's and Hindu's and other stoneage cultures that are in the millions of our population.There are many here on the forum that truly hate jews. I am not one of them and consider Jews to be brothers and sisters that help build Canada. Thanks.I doubt that the "stoneagers" are heavy voters. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
kengs333 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Posted October 14, 2007 That government Hitler led was actually a coalition government, they required the support of a conservative party in order to become a majority. I don't see the relevance. My response was in relation to the comment that voters are always right. Were the Germans who voted for Hitler right? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Posted October 14, 2007 I don't see the relevance. My response was in relation to the comment that voters are always right. Were the Germans who voted for Hitler right? Yes..and ding, ding, we have another example of Godwin's Law. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
M.Dancer Posted October 14, 2007 Report Posted October 14, 2007 I don't see the relevance. My response was in relation to the comment that voters are always right. Were the Germans who voted for Hitler right? Did the Germans elect Hitler as their Head of State or Leader? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jbg Posted October 14, 2007 Report Posted October 14, 2007 Did the Germans elect Hitler as their Head of State or Leader?Initially as leader of the majority party, or Chancellor. After Hindenburgh died, he combined the office of President with Chancellor, and made himself Fuehrer. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Moxie Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 Frankly I believe in the majority rule, I don't care if seven percent of the fringe vote voice isn't heard. Zip nada, Canadian Politician's pander and appease these groups as it is, there voice is strong enough amongst the NDP and Green Party. A small group of people with a special interest, doesn't interest me one iota. Quote Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy
kengs333 Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 Frankly I believe in the majority rule, I don't care if seven percent of the fringe vote voice isn't heard. Zip nada, Canadian Politician's pander and appease these groups as it is, there voice is strong enough amongst the NDP and Green Party. A small group of people with a special interest, doesn't interest me one iota. The Liberals got 42% of the vote--that's not the majority. Quote
M.Dancer Posted October 15, 2007 Report Posted October 15, 2007 Initially as leader of the majority party, or Chancellor. After Hindenburgh died, he combined the office of President with Chancellor, and made himself Fuehrer. When you say majority party you overstate the position. The NAtional Socialists had 288 of the 647 seats. Before that, Hitler was appointed Chancellor helped by a coaltion led by Von Papen. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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